Creationism Versus Evolution

[Voronwë]

To those who say prove God exists, I say prove the Big Bang.

I'm quite comfortable saying "I don't know."
Neither has been conclusively proven. It could be both, it could be neither.

-=Lohrno

its like choosing the following investment strategy.

hand your money to the guy on the corner and say please pay for my retirement in 50 years compared to biweekly contributions into an employer matching 401k with diversified asset classes, etc.

there is no guarantee you'll have any money in 50 years, but its a decision based on a pretty clear probabalistic distinction.

[Lohrno]

Yes. There is lots of evidence for scientific theories. The thing about science is that it is constantly a question. The thing about religion is that it's an elimination of the question with the answer "God did it." The two are obviously at odds with eachother, and the 'God' part is something that will take a long time/never be proven. Can you prove God created the big bang? Can you prove it didn't?

The question you pose assumes that something is at stake here, and I think there isn't.

Personally I put more weight in scientific theory, but I also realize that we just don't know if our assumptions are correct. More research is always necessary. =D

-=Lohrno

[Rivera Bladestrike]

I feel bad for all the 70+ year old people who devoted themselves to something and ended up getting screwed, now old an decrepit they spend their time in churches hoping for something better and another chance. Thats what I think religion's base is from.

Your life is here for 60-95 years, use it and enjoy all of it the fullest.

Riv at the end of those lives, the 70+ year olds, they will be able to look back on the events of their lives and say I lived by a code that matched my morals. At the end if there is no heaven and no God they will still have lived a life of exemplary conduct. Your view is very narcisistic at worst and hedonistic at best.

Although I believe in creationism my thoughts have migrated to believe that both theories did/do exist. Directed by God.

To those who say prove God exists, I say prove the Big Bang.

Cheers

Its my view that people are naturally hedonistic. Thats why we have laws in society to keep people from committing crimes. Everyone has committed crimes, but only the more heinous are reported. As a child you test your limits as much as possible, your parents point to the stove, and say, "no". Your parents use "No" to condition you to understand your boundries. Threat of punishment forces this on you, and through years of conditioning (aka good parenting), you usually become a good law abiding citizen.

This is similar to what all religions have done, but many of their laws are old, out dated, and against the culture we live in. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods? That'd ruin the economy, if your friend bought a new car, you want one too. Ridiculous.

Your so called "code" that christians constantly blab about, "Good CHRISTIAN man," etc is meerly bullshit. Its the whole ego thing again. A muslim, jewish, christian, atheist person in this country are all under the same conditioning to fit into OUR society.

I have excellent morals and I put people ahead of myself all the time often at my own expense. But I do this because its right, not because a book told me to, or "god" told me to, I believe that is more noble. But I believe I should live a life to its fullest rather than living under the restraints of a religion that is based off of controlling populations.

[Seebs]

Marbus, you can't be Christian .. you voted for Kerry!!

We evolve we adapt. WHomever it was that tried to contradict my statement actually validated it. Improcvements in life are evoluion and change us phsically.

People jump higher, run faster, eat more hot dogs, lift more weight. Is it training? Yes, but its the evolving of that training that makes our species more perfoance able.

You think Steffie Graf and Andre Agassi's son will be good at tennis? That is called breeding ... and that blood line will evolve and keeop that gift .. in theory.

Kinda like my son will have to learn to eat pussy better since his penis will be a little less than average. Which is why I have evolved an enlarged tongue and triple jointed upper lip.

[Marbus]

Unlike many other Christians I choose to read and study on my own, taking advantage of the intellict God has granted me rather than relying on some half educated minister to tell me what to believe.

Jesus' message is about doing Gods work by taking care of one another, doing what is right by one another and looking out for those less fortunate... all while being humble in regards to your own gifts. That message is the exact opposite stance of the Republican party. Christanity has been duped to believe that their faith resides on one or two issues by a party that was sinking into history by the late 70s... I guess it worked though for the average idiot as Bush seemingly has been elected to a second term... of course they have already identified over 120,000 ballots in FL that were "extra" so who knows for sure.

Marb

PS - Gratz Seebs on the little boy! I didn't know if you guys had found out the sex yet. Shoot me a note soon to let me know the due date.

[Seebs]

January 25, ,Maxwell Thomas Haslauer.

Not to get into religion ... because there is no need, but isn't their scripture stating that God helps those that help themselves? That's kinda the party line I think.

Life is good Joe, life is so, so good, regardless of the ire you feel twoard the prez. We are all blessed.

[Marbus]

Won't get into religion but I will agree we are all blessed in many different and wonderful ways.

Marb

[Rekaar.]

I feel bad for all the 70+ year old people who devoted themselves to something and ended up getting screwed, now old an decrepit they spend their time in churches hoping for something better and another chance. Thats what I think religion's base is from.

Your life is here for 60-95 years, use it and enjoy all of it the fullest.

I don't think they want your pity.

If there's no God, for what purpose were you born? How do you motivate yourself to contribute to the world, not just yourself?

[Lohrno]

If there's no God, for what purpose were you born? How do you motivate yourself to contribute to the world, not just yourself?

Wait whoa. Who said you have to be motivated to contribute to the world?

Actually I think everything you do stems from a selfish thought. IE: Religious people, or people who do contribute to charity, do good deeds etc. really do it to please themselves because that's just how they are. As for religious purposes it is likely that they think they will go to heaven or some such other thing. Somehow you are getting pleasure from your altrustic deeds in some way. That's actually selfishness.

Not having Religion does is not exclusive of being a good person and visa versa.

-=Lohrno

[Winnow]

If there's no God, for what purpose were you born? How do you motivate yourself to contribute to the world, not just yourself?

Mankind is heading for the shitter. I don't think we have any greater purpose than entertaining ourselves and the pursuit of knowledge that makes life easier. (like squeeze butter for example)

The only admirable goal is to figure out how to preserve what's stored in our brains and enter it into a universal shared database, preserving our memory and consciousness, where we can virtually live forever. Since I think we rot after death, the only cool thing I can think of would be to extend our existence in an enjoyable way that would be both entertaining and useful to future generations that can benefit from our knowledge, or in the case of the rare genius like a Nikola Tesla, allow them to continue inventing and creating forever which would advance our civilization at an increased rate. I'd personally just want to be around for EQIII so I could cyber some other 400 year old in the memory banks.

[Xzion]

If there's no God, for what purpose were you born? How do you motivate yourself to contribute to the world, not just yourself?

Wait whoa. Who said you have to be motivated to contribute to the world?

Actually I think everything you do stems from a selfish thought. IE: Religious people, or people who do contribute to charity, do good deeds etc. really do it to please themselves because that's just how they are. As for religious purposes it is likely that they think they will go to heaven or some such other thing. Somehow you are getting pleasure from your altrustic deeds in some way. That's actually selfishness.

Not having Religion does is not exclusive of being a good person and visa versa.

-=Lohrno

psst, hes a conservative, dont make him think beyond a single dimension, there really not too good at that

Personally, with my own “moral religious spiritual whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit beliefs” I think pure ignorance can be found in those who think they are able to comprehend the concept of a supernatural existence or creator, and if there really is or isn’t such a being/life-force/god

[Lohrno]

I think pure ignorance can be found in those who think they are able to comprehend the concept of a supernatural existence or creator, and if there really is or isn’t such a being/life-force/god

You know I don't know about that. For all you know we could do it but we just haven't gotten the tools yet. They said turning lead into gold wasn't possible but it is these days. (Albeit with some nuclear reactions, and such, making it cost prohibitive, but it's theoretically possible...) We don't yet but perhaps one day we will?

-=Lohrno