Gogo Arlen!

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 4, 2004, 12:49 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6405485/

It was my one of my biggest fears if Bush won so let's hope Arlen can fight the good fight again.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 4, 2004, 12:51 pm

Sorry Chid, I hope he fails miserably, or at least brings up up so that it's a 'last resort' item that requires legal involvement to go through.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 4, 2004, 12:54 pm

2 things about Abortion that will keep the Republicans from doing anything about it. well 3 things.

1. they never had any intention of doing anything about it, they use it to get votes.

2. moderate Republicans and all Democrats in the Senate and House would not pass any legislation banning it.

3. if Republicans pass abortion, they no longer have an issue to vote on for a large amount of their base, who might be forced to vote in their economic interest (and likely vote Democrat).

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 4, 2004, 12:55 pm

That's morally disgusting but probably true, Voro.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 4, 2004, 12:57 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Sorry Chid, I hope he fails miserably, or at least brings up up so that it's a 'last resort' item that requires legal involvement to go through.

I don't really give a shit. Don't have one.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 4, 2004, 12:58 pm

Fair enough.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 4, 2004, 12:58 pm

you voted for them, write them letters and hold their feet to the fire. encourage your friends to do the same. Elected officials should be held responsible for their promises to the people.

and i'm obviously biased and pissed off, and also just offering my personal opinion.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 4, 2004, 12:59 pm

The only way to stop abortions is to educate all the little Christian sluts about sex (not abstinence) before they start opening their legs to every boy that says he loves them.

Teaching personal responsibility would also be nice, but given that parents can't even talk about one of the most basic human functions, expecting them to cover more complex sociological issues is fucking CRAZY.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 4, 2004, 1:28 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Sorry Chid, I hope he fails miserably, or at least brings up up so that it's a 'last resort' item that requires legal involvement to go through.

It won't stop abortions. They'll either do it illegally or cross the border to get one. (An abortion clinic in one of the border towns might be a good venture atm).

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 4, 2004, 1:36 pm

And for that, i hope there are stiff fines and jail penalties.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 4, 2004, 1:49 pm

Voronwë wrote:2 things about Abortion that will keep the Republicans from doing anything about it. well 3 things.

1. they never had any intention of doing anything about it, they use it to get votes.

2. moderate Republicans and all Democrats in the Senate and House would not pass any legislation banning it.

3. if Republicans pass abortion, they no longer have an issue to vote on for a large amount of their base, who might be forced to vote in their economic interest (and likely vote Democrat).

Voro pretty much spelled it out.

There's no chance Roe vs Wade will be reversed. We need the extreme fundies for republicans to be elected but the more moderate republicans have enough sense not to overturn something as important as the right to choose. As sylvos was saying in another thread, the majority of republicans don't agree with 100 percent of the platform. (same for democrats of course) It was merely a strategy to gain votes and an obvious one at that.

As with anything, preventing the situation from developing in the first place is where the efforts need to be made. My radical "sterilize everyone until the age of 18" project will never fly so the next best thing is to revamp our education system to teach our kids what's really important to give them a fighting chance in society after high school...real world sex education, basic home/family economics, understanding credit/debit responsibilities, much improved nutrition/health education, etc.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 4, 2004, 2:02 pm

Who the fuck are you to determine what's morally disgusting?

I hope someone puts a bible in an extremely large sock and beats the fuck out of you with it for saying that.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » November 4, 2004, 2:07 pm

Bush never appears the be political, remember, he listens to "god" every morning and leads the country according to the voices in his head. I'd be surprised if he listens to his country's outcry on this matter.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 4, 2004, 2:07 pm

Morally disgusting in that they'll will say one thing to get elected but refuse to do anything about it once in office.

Aka: Lieing, and about what I expected, but they're not doing anything to make it easier for abortions to happen..

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 4, 2004, 2:20 pm

yeah, i guess i misread. but my statement stands because i believe everyone should be hit by a bible in a sock atleast once.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 4, 2004, 2:23 pm

thats true Akaran. with 4 million more people entering poverty under Bush and 8 million(?) losing health care coverage, the abortion rate actually did go up for the first time in 20 years under this president.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 4, 2004, 2:36 pm

Winnow wrote:There's no chance Roe vs Wade will be reversed. We need the extreme fundies for republicans to be elected but the more moderate republicans have enough sense not to overturn something as important as the right to choose. As sylvos was saying in another thread, the majority of republicans don't agree with 100 percent of the platform. (same for democrats of course) It was merely a strategy to gain votes and an obvious one at that.

Those extreme fundies will expect results or you won't get those votes again.

Also, it seems to me it may be the reverse in that the extreme fundies need the moderates for votes. Case in point: the party platform vs the convention speakers.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 4, 2004, 9:23 pm

Bush got his. Think he cares if another republican gets elected?

He'll do the stump thing just like any ex-prez will but he probably couldn't give 2 shits over who comes next, be they republican, democrat, or austrian.

Besides, who else would the extreme right vote for?

The best bet for a republican victory in 4 years is a ticket including Hillary Clinton.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » November 4, 2004, 9:42 pm

Akaran_D wrote:And for that, i hope there are stiff fines and jail penalties.

If people are willing to cross the border en masse to avoid a law in their home country it is obvious they are not being represented properly and the law needs to be changed.

-=Lohrno