Describe your ideal presidential candidate

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 3, 2004, 2:54 pm

In a discussion last night, I put forth that the type of people we would want to hold the office aren't the least bit interested.

So without any "anyone but Bush" or "anyone but Kerry" bullshit, describe your ideal presidential candidate and who on the political horizon might fit that ideal the closest.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » November 3, 2004, 2:54 pm

Welcome thread #6 about ideal Presidents

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 3, 2004, 2:57 pm

If it is beyond you to participate, feel free not to do so.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 3, 2004, 2:58 pm

Jesus fucking christ Bush won can we change the subject now?
Presidential Schmesidential!
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Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 3, 2004, 2:58 pm

Ross Perot

Neost · Post by **Neost** » November 3, 2004, 2:59 pm

I loved Ross Perot. Now there would be an administration to love.

Ross would've produced the alien bodies from Roswell.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 3, 2004, 3:04 pm

McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 3, 2004, 3:07 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.

Guliani I like cause his views are somewhat liberal even though he's a republican.

McCain I don't know much about at all so I won't comment.

Who's the Prez/VP in that scenario Mid?

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » November 3, 2004, 3:19 pm

mccain/guliani would be one seriously kickass pair of republicans to throw on the ballot

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » November 3, 2004, 3:22 pm

Neost wrote:I loved Ross Perot. Now there would be an administration to love.

Ross would've produced the alien bodies from Roswell.

I voted for Perot in '92 and '96. God bless him, there was a guy that talked too much sense to be a politician. I was hoping he'd reappear for '04.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.

Saw Rudy and McCain on television last night. If one or the other was the GOP nominee in '08 I'd certainly be back in the GOP camp.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 3, 2004, 3:23 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.

Like I said in another thread. The GOP strategy has worked so well they will want to repeat it in 2008. I highly doubt any moderate will get the nod.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » November 3, 2004, 3:25 pm

The amount of corruption and sheer love of big business i've seen from the GOP is sad, because I like both of those candidates a lot but if they bend to their party's ideals, then we're still in bad shape domestically, on foreign affairs i think both would do a great job.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 3, 2004, 3:54 pm

Animalor wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.
Guliani I like cause his views are somewhat liberal even though he's a republican.

McCain I don't know much about at all so I won't comment.

Who's the Prez/VP in that scenario Mid?

Either would be great. But, I think out of respect McCain would have to be the pres on that ticket. Like Forthe said though, I doubt the Reps would make this come true. For some reason the parties always seem not to pick the dream team. /shrug

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 3, 2004, 3:59 pm

Ross Perot talked some sense, but the guy was a nut

Animale · Post by **Animale** » November 3, 2004, 3:59 pm

Guiliani has surrounded himself in the past with even shadier folks than Bush's current team. While he himself is perhaps a viable candidate, his choice of folks around him makes it so I could not vote for him. McCain I would seriously have to consider, depending on who he runs against and how far to the right he'd have to move to win the candidacy.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » November 3, 2004, 4:07 pm

I liked Guiliani until he endorsed a shit stain named Tim Michels here in WI. He'll never get my vote now.

I don't think McCain will run either though. He is getting old and will be into his 70's by 2008. I also won't for him though because of how he took it in the ass from Bush after the crap Bush did to him 4 years ago.

I am holding out hope for a strong 3rd party candidate like Perot to emerge and sweep the country.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » November 3, 2004, 4:07 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Animalor wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.
Guliani I like cause his views are somewhat liberal even though he's a republican.

McCain I don't know much about at all so I won't comment.

Who's the Prez/VP in that scenario Mid?

Either would be great. But, I think out of respect McCain would have to be the pres on that ticket. Like Forthe said though, I doubt the Reps would make this come true. For some reason the parties always seem not to pick the dream team. /shrug

Those who'd make the best leaders tend not to run for office.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 3, 2004, 4:16 pm

Forthe wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:McCain and Guliani at the moment are my ideal candidates for 2008.
Like I said in another thread. The GOP strategy has worked so well they will want to repeat it in 2008. I highly doubt any moderate will get the nod.

The country is going to be pretty screwed up by 2008. I suspect a few moderate republicans will be appealing to the conservative base.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 3, 2004, 4:20 pm

I'd be uncomfortable voting for Giuliani considering he has yet to outline any sort of cohesive philosophy or ideology, besides that of political gain.

My ideal candidate would be:

Socially progressive, with general ideological support for abortion rights, separation of church and state, decriminalization of marijuana, privacy rights, gay marriage, and so on.

Fiscally responsible, preferring to eliminate wasteful and pork barrel spending, promoting free and fair trade, attempting to eliminate the deficit and the debt, understanding that an increase in spending in one area must mean a decrease in spending in another, and managing to maintain a balance between the "social safety net" and fiscal responsibility.

Tough and intelligent in the realm of foreign policy, willing to fight for American interests and ideals abroad, but understanding the incredibly complex reality of international relations and knowing that there's a difference between achieving something and looking like you're achieving something.

He would place a priority on environmental protection, education, and scientific progress, as he would be aware that these issues will determine how we will live in the future.

In terms of personality, he would be a blunt, grumpy, honest motherfucker who is willing to be honest about the sacrifices that we must make to achieve a particular aim. In terms of strictly personality, a guy like Dick Cheney would be OK with me.

I'd prefer that the ticket be bipartisan and at least somewhat ideologically divided.

I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who currently wields a significant amount of power in the political arena who fits these qualifications.

Personally, I hope that our next president is not a former senator or governor. I hope he's an obscure policy wonk, or a young prodigy businessman, or a comedian, or anything else that might be able to move us away from the world of worthless political rhetoric and into a time when we can have legitimate, honest political debate.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 3, 2004, 4:35 pm

I don't know about 08, but in 012 anyone running with Obama as a VP is going to kick some serious ass IMO... pretty sad how 27% of the illinois voters are so fucking partisan or blindly religious that they voted for Keyes.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 3, 2004, 4:37 pm

yeah 'reprocess' those guys

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 3, 2004, 4:39 pm

Voronwë wrote:Ross Perot talked some sense, but the guy was a nut

Maybe, but that was the single best debate evar. That little fast talking rich nebbish standing between two polished politicians was fucking awesome.
I voted for him in '92 even though I was sincerely pissed he dropped out momentarily.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 3, 2004, 5:05 pm

oh yeah he made for great television =)

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » November 3, 2004, 5:06 pm

the "chicken foot" presentation was pure gold

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 3, 2004, 5:17 pm

Stragi wrote:I don't know about 08, but in 012 anyone running with Obama as a VP is going to kick some serious ass IMO... pretty sad how 27% of the illinois voters are so fucking partisan or blindly religious that they voted for Keyes.

I doubt it was that as much as some people just vote straight down party lines. Id say half of that 27 percent didn't have a clue who Keys or Obama were.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » November 3, 2004, 5:22 pm

My ideal candidate is unelectable. He'd make my signature his entire platform.

But that said - George Carlin is my ideal candidate (I assume I can't pick me).

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 3, 2004, 6:22 pm

Ahnult. He's famous, good on camera, tall, and Republican. Now we just need to change that pesky Constitution...

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » November 3, 2004, 6:39 pm

He's also Pro-life, pro-gay, and doesn't use God in every sentance. He is also largely unappologetic about his rather hedonistic former sex life. He'd make a potentially great leader, but the bible-thumpers would not elect him and since teh Democrats would largely not vote for him even though he is more in line with Democratic Hero Bill Clinton than most Dems, he would be unelectable as a liberal Republican. To make him electable he'd either have to become a Democrat or he'd have to become a bible-thumper.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 3, 2004, 6:44 pm

Please. He'd win in a fucking landslide on name/face recognition alone. What redblooded redneck wouldn't vote for the fucking Terminator?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » November 3, 2004, 6:45 pm

Yeah, Arnie would do well, I think.
It would not surprise me to see legistlation being made to try to clear the way for him in 2008.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » November 3, 2004, 7:08 pm

Mcain and Clinton, Bill.

Seriously, at least Mcain can run the country in a way I'd feel safe and knowing my rights as a american wouldnt be trounced on, and allow Bill to re establish his connections over seas and build good ties once again.

To me, that would be a great ticket that would get at least 80% of the popular vote and the most states since WW2.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » November 3, 2004, 7:25 pm

Clinton can not run for VP because if something were to happen to the president in the first 2 years, Clinton would not be able to fulfill his obligation to become president. A person can not hold the office of president for more than 10 years, even if their times in office are all seperate.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 3, 2004, 7:28 pm

Kargyle wrote:Clinton can not run for VP because if something were to happen to the president in the first 2 years, Clinton would not be able to fulfill his obligation to become president. A person can not hold the office of president for more than 10 years, even if their times in office are all seperate.

Incorrect!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/specia ... ontenders/

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » November 3, 2004, 7:33 pm

I know it wont happen anyways, but I can wish!

Anywho, Its reported that he wants to become the next Sec. of the UN when it opens.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » November 3, 2004, 8:04 pm

Incorrect!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/specia ... ontenders/

That link to CNN suggests Bill Clinton as a possible Vice-President. CNN, however, does not bother actually reading the constitution when they print:

While federal law prohibits a person from seeking a third presidential term, the Constitution does not specify whether or not a former commander in chief can become vice president.

From Amd. XXII of our consitution:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

"The most trust name in news" - indeed!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 3, 2004, 10:45 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
"The most trust name in news" - indeed!

Damn you and your faulty CNN data Voro! I stand corrected!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » November 3, 2004, 11:55 pm

I would go into a huge description of my values and all the other bullshit...but all i can really say is Bill Maher, the one man who i can agree with 98.7% of the time with

now he would make one godamnhell of a president

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » November 4, 2004, 11:17 am

My ideal candidate closely resembles the character that Martin Sheen plays on the West Wing; it is a shame that such a candidate does not exist nor would they be elected by the American people.

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