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Post by Siji »

Yes, it's opinion. But it's fun reading! Even Moore pretty much calls Kerry a less than ideal candidate, but like we all know, he's still better than Bushie.. :)

Put Away Your Hankies...a Message from Michael Moore
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Monday 20 September 2004

Dear Friends,

Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win! Waaaaaa!"

Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded. They are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like sharks that never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking, lying.

They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just simply never, ever give up. Only 30% of the country calls itself "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. How do you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority? It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the planet.

Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"

No, it is not. If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a candidate Kerry is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate -- he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win! What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.

Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for president -- Kerry is. So quit complaining and work with what we have. Oprah just gave 300 women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were happy. The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want more than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good year. And it was a VERY good year.

My friends, it is time for a reality check.

1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone as their primary phone. Again, that means they are not talking to young people. Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many Republicans, as pollster John Zogby revealed last week. You are being snookered if you believe any of these polls.

2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning Clinton (as Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.

3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya, there is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being captured by the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real. Do not let those well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you. Turn off the TV! (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a sugar-coated lie).

4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the fear of terrorism), Bush wins. But if it is decided on the job we are doing in Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will sadly only mount higher. Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle America knows it. Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize an immoral war that cannot be "won." All he has delivered to Iraq was that plasticized turkey last Thanksgiving. It is this failure of monumental proportions that is going to cook his goose come this November.

So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people need you to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you contemplate another four years of George W. Bush. They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying about WMD and Saddam planning 9/11. It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."

Yes...Yes...Yesssss....He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting now...what I need is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...

WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO THAT?

Just for me, please? Buck up. The country is almost back in our hands. Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd! Then you can bitch all you want about how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the courage to stand up for something. Personally, I think that kid is still inside him. Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a hand to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the forces of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?

Yours,

Michael Moore
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Post by Sionistic »

wait wait wait, Moore is telling other people not to whine?
he must want some attention for his movie
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That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win!
Classic! :P
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Did he really write that? lol... while I agree with much of it I still find it pretty funny :)

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Thanks Miir, sorry about omitting the link.. :(
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As much as he says it, looking at the electoral webpage looks mighty scary...
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I don't know... looks pretty good right now, Kerry is ahead again.

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Well, he did make an idiot of himself at the UN yesterday.
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You mean no apology for Abu Ghraib (I think because he has come to the conclusion that he can not say this word) and basically offering the rest of the world no financial gain for helping us - made him look like an idiot?
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Marbus wrote:I don't know... looks pretty good right now, Kerry is ahead again.

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Ummmm, Kerry is ahead where? Documentation please.

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Moore's opinion is interesting and I think even valid in several areas. I like his writing style too. He could be sitting on the barstool next to me trying to convince me of his viewpoint.

But I think he's fighting a lost cause. How can you tell liberal pussies NOT to be liberal pussies? Can a leapard change it's spots? If you weren't liberal pussies you could never support a clown like Kerry in the first place.

I have a strong suspicion Moore is correct about the polls being wrong and for many of the reasons he lists. That's OK however because the RNC and the Bush campaign aren't going to coast based on these polls.
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ARG and Zogby just came out with many polls so things look alittle better for Kerry. But again look at the past week or 2 of polls in each state instead of just the latest from such and such. Like I said in the pass ARG=crap they have consistantly been +4-6 Kerry from all the other polls on avg. The sample in Florida showing Kerry ahead was hvy weighted with females. And Zogby doesnt become accurate till 1-2 weeks before the election. Look at Realclearpolitics to get a more accurate reading.

Though even in Zogby and ARG: if you look at the tracking it shows Bush with momentum and gaining in the numbers very slightly even in there polls.
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Just more of the typical, "anyone but Bush" crapolla.

Liberals suck that shit up like cherry flavored dogshit. I admire the persistence. I recall some dope liberal that actually made me a bet that Dukasis would beat Bush on election night. It was easy money but you've got to feel for those that can't separate their beliefs from the cold hard reality of an election. Vote for Kerry but don't lose money on it in the process! Hmmm, on the other hand...making that bet might not be a bad idea. Bet the amount you will lose in taxes anyway if Kerry is elected.

...tax rollback on just the rich my ass. Kerry will be hitting you up for bling bling. I hope you're not stupid enough to fall for Kerry's "partial solution" of the 200+K tax cut rollback. It sounds great in speeches though! Ra! Ra!
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Winnow wrote:Kerry will be hitting you up for bling bling.
I'd be willing to pay double on any taxes in existance if it meant we could stop losing sons & daughters to a stupid fucking war in a stupid fucking place that we shouldn't even be in to begin with, started by a stupid fucking man with the IQ of my cats latest deposit in the litter box.

Actually, make that triple the amount. Money < Life
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The electoral predictor site, it's based upon state polls rather than national... that seemed to be the site in reference from the preceeding post.

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Siji wrote:
Winnow wrote:Kerry will be hitting you up for bling bling.
I'd be willing to pay double on any taxes in existance if it meant we could stop losing sons & daughters to a stupid fucking war in a stupid fucking place that we shouldn't even be in to begin with, started by a stupid fucking man with the IQ of my cats latest deposit in the litter box.

Actually, make that triple the amount. Money < Life
Kerry being elected doesn't mean that will happen.
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Thursday, September 23 2004
FLORIDA, ARG, KERRY UP 1PT?: Yesterday I was speaking with a major pollster who has been polling in Florida for over twenty years. He had serious questions about the ARG poll released yesterday showing Kerry ahead one point in the state.

ARG's poll was conducted Friday - Monday and this pollster had several problems with those dates. First, he wondered how you could get through to anyone in the panhandle when there was still massive electric and phone outages throughout that entire section of the state. Second, Friday night polling is apparently seriously discouraged in Florida because of Friday night high school football.

He pointed to a just concluded 2 -day poll of 800 likely voters in Florida's I-4 Corridor (the swing part of the state from Daytona to Tampa which traditionally mirrors the state wide vote, give or take a point or two) which had President Bush leading Senator Kerry by 13 points, 51 - 38. The same poll also had Governor Jeb Bush's approval rating for the hurricanes at 84%. Given these numbers this pollster felt it extremely unlikely John Kerry was ahead in Florida by one point.

Apparently Quinnipiac agrees. They have just released a Florida poll of 819 likely voters showing President Bush leading Senator Kerry, 49 - 41. J. McIntyre 12:06 pm Link | Email | Send to a Friend
Looks like I was right about ARG.




Wednesday, September 22 2004
ZOGBY: There has been some confusion concerning our decision to no longer use the Zogby Interactive polls in our state averages. Just to be clear we are still using Zogby's normal telephone polling both nationally and in all of the states, it is only his Internet based polls we are no longer using in the state averages. Salon describes Zogby Internet polls:

The Zogby Interactive Battleground Poll -- regularly cited in the blogosphere and published on the Wall Street Journal's Web site -- is an online poll conducted via e-mail. If this sounds dubious, that's because it is. Online polling has a spotty track record and remains an unproven method for gauging public opinion.

At this point in the cycle, with less than six weeks until the election, we feel there are now enough independent polls to justify no longer use partisan polls or Internet based polls in our state averages J. McIntyre 10:30 pm Link | Email
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/commentary.html
What I say about some of Zogby's polls. His wont be nearly correct till one week before the election, so he can keep his credibility.



Like I said Zogby and ARG polls suck, so atm after Zogby and ARG kerry slanted polls are released: Bush 273 Kerry 255...

And look at recent polls in Florida besides just ARG: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_v ... _sbys.html http://www.geocities.com/hedgehogreport ... state.html
So chalk it up 300B 228K

Here's some polls with the same Integrity as ARG.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/23/news/fu ... tm?cnn=yes
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THESE POLLS ARE NOT ACCURATE.

Please stop posting them. Can we just get back to arguing about why each of us thinks one of the guys is a douchebag?
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Winnow wrote:Just more of the typical, "anyone but Bush" crapolla.

Liberals suck that shit up like cherry flavored dogshit. I admire the persistence. I recall some dope liberal that actually made me a bet that Dukasis would beat Bush on election night. It was easy money but you've got to feel for those that can't separate their beliefs from the cold hard reality of an election. Vote for Kerry but don't lose money on it in the process! Hmmm, on the other hand...making that bet might not be a bad idea. Bet the amount you will lose in taxes anyway if Kerry is elected.

...tax rollback on just the rich my ass. Kerry will be hitting you up for bling bling. I hope you're not stupid enough to fall for Kerry's "partial solution" of the 200+K tax cut rollback. It sounds great in speeches though! Ra! Ra!
I realize this, and thats one of my major disagreements with the democratic party. Yet Bush's tax cuts arnt enough to make me not vote against him, he tricked me four years ago into supporting him, but his tax cuts happen to be pretty much THE ONLY issue i think hes right on...but he spends way to much fucking money to have those tax cuts, cut back on defense spending, bring most of our troops home, end the war on drugs, etc etc THEN we can consider a republican tax cut for office.
Im not going to be a greedy basterd myself, getting afew more dollers at the cost of my country going down the regressive shithole

Moore is defently right about one thing, republicans are fucking amazing campeghners, and democrates suck ass at
They have tore kerry a new asshole, and hes never been that bad of a guy, hes pretty mediocre, i disagree with him not having a firm stance against the Iraqi invasion, then again even his position is worlds better then bushs

If republicans were running against someone with Bush's record, he would have AT MOST 25% of the popular vote atm
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