You decide... Schachte or Zaladonis

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 28, 2004, 11:36 am

Who do you believe?

Zaladonis' story at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5843180/

Schachte's story at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5840657/

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 28, 2004, 11:46 am

Hey! Did you know it was Schachte's idea? I don't know how many times he said that.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 28, 2004, 11:52 am

I don't really care all that much either way but.. Zaladonis seems more sincere. I find it interesting how Schacte is so sure about everything which seems rehearsed to me, while Zaladonis' record is more what I would expect myself remembering that long afterwards.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 28, 2004, 12:07 pm

I'm kinda leaning towards Schacte.. the lines about miltary doctrine and everything have a sound ring of truth, but I'd have to see or hear testimony from a third party who is not connected regarding if things occured the way that he said they did.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 28, 2004, 12:18 pm

I'm at the point of not caring anymore. They're diverting attention from the real issues and I can't wait for Kerry to just say "believe what you want, I have more important things to talk about". The republicans are only getting hurt by dragging this crap on. It was 35 years ago. Kerry was in Vietnam. Bush was AWOL. That's all I need to know. I don't give a rats ass about Kerry's medals or how he did or didn't get them, or what he did or didn't do with them. If he wants to melt them down and pierce his balls and let them dangle, good for him. He was still in Vietnam while Bush was AWOL.

Next!

Animale · Post by **Animale** » August 28, 2004, 12:31 pm

A lesson that I learned a long time ago when dealing with the military...

Never believe a word an officer says about what is going to happen or what just did happen, always believe the enlisted man.

Animale

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 28, 2004, 4:07 pm

Most decriptions of events that are being awarded a medal get embellished. I'd be more prone to let it slide if I didn't know that Kerry begged for his purple hearts when normally you don't request them yourself so who knows what was "embellished" for his other medals.

It's not going to help anyone but Bush to keep this mess in the spotlight. Bush has nothing to lose as he's in the same position as Clinton was while Kerry will start to gather disgust from those that are fed up with all the Vietnam talk. I said before, he should have not said anything about his military history and his efforts in the war would have filtered out anyway and been seen as more positive instead of being used as a self promoting tool.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 28, 2004, 4:38 pm

I'd be more prone to let it slide if I didn't know that Kerry begged for his purple hearts when normally you don't request them yourself so who knows what was "embellished" for his other medals.

Got any statistics showing that people normally don't request them yourself? Or any proof that he BEGGED for them?

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 28, 2004, 4:46 pm

Kelshara wrote:I don't really care all that much either way but.. Zaladonis seems more sincere. I find it interesting how Schacte is so sure about everything which seems rehearsed to me, while Zaladonis' record is more what I would expect myself remembering that long afterwards.

I think it's very fishy. Zaladonis repeatedly states he doesn't remember, he doesn't remember, he doesn't remember, much about the event.

However the ONE SINGLE thing he is positive about is the absence of Schachte. How convenient to call into question the only other possible eyewitness to this event.

Anyway, my point in this thread is that there will never be proof positive of the claims either way. Kerry is a moron for his strategy regarding his Vietnam service.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 28, 2004, 4:55 pm

Kelshara wrote:
I'd be more prone to let it slide if I didn't know that Kerry begged for his purple hearts when normally you don't request them yourself so who knows what was "embellished" for his other medals.
Got any statistics showing that people normally don't request them yourself? Or any proof that he BEGGED for them?

The next morning, Kerry went to see Division Commander Grant Hibbard to ask for the Purple Heart. Hibbard had already spoken to Schachte and conducted an investigation. Hibbard's investigation revealed that Kerry's "rose thorn" scratch had been self-inflicted in the absence of hostile fire. Hibbard denied the award.

Some three months later, Kerry managed to obtain his first Purple Heart from an officer with no connection to Coastal Division 14 or knowledge of the Dec. 2, 1968, event, they say.

"All normal documentation supporting a Purple Heart is missing," the letter says. "There is absolutely no casualty report (i.e., spot report) or hostile fire report or after-action report in the Navy's files to support this 'Purple Heart' because there was no casualty, hostile fire, or action on which to report. The sole document relied upon by Kerry is a record showing the band aid and tweezers treatment by Dr. Letson recorded by deceased corpsman, Jess Carreon.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 28, 2004, 5:02 pm

However the ONE SINGLE thing he is positive about is the absence of Schachte. How convenient to call into question the only other possible eyewitness to this event.

Would make sense to remember if there was a second officer on board when there are only 3 people. I'd imagine an enlisted would pay attention to who are officers or not.

No source Winnow? You're slacking in your trolling.

Dubya had gay sex with 4 male dogs in the Oval Office

That carries about as much credibility.