If you could go back in time (republicans and others)

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 26, 2004, 11:21 pm

If you could go back in time and potentially avoid the shithole that were in now, who would you have voted for in the 2000 republican primarys (man, how the hell did you dumbasses elect george dubyah over McCain, maybe it was because you all bought the swiftboat bullshit they used on Mccain too)

I would have to say that id rather have McCain be president over Al Gore. He would have potentially gone down in history as a "great president" with his reactions to 9/11 and the war on terror, that would have been absent of Iraq

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 26, 2004, 11:40 pm

in a race between mccain and gore I would have voted for mccain.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » August 26, 2004, 11:44 pm

I too would have voted McCain.. if I were an American etc. He has charisma, he has intelligence, and he has a public face that a person can respect. He's a moderate and not an extremist. He's presidential material. He just didn't have the friends in the right places to make dirty stabs at the other guys reputation.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » August 26, 2004, 11:53 pm

Bush was the right man at the right time.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » August 26, 2004, 11:57 pm

I don't remember what Mc's issues were at the time to correctly answer this question.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 27, 2004, 12:28 am

McCain's not moderate at all. he's a lot more conservative than Bush is in areas where it matters. He is just less convservative when it comes to personal liberties and fundamental human rights. even in those areas he is really conservative but a lot more likely to let people live their lives how they want. it's this whole crazy liberal philosophy about personal responsibility.

since the christian right has appointed themselves moral policemen of the world, they don't like thim much.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 27, 2004, 1:14 am

McCain was my choice in 2000. I don't know if he can hang on for another 4 years but he has the best chance to be president in 2008 of the potential candidates I see so far on both sides for the next election.

He's earned a lot of respect.

Swapping Cheney for McCain as Vice President would be a good move for the republicans but that's not going to happen.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » August 27, 2004, 9:50 am

I don't know all that much about him, but the few times I"ve seen him in interviews and such he's seemed like quite an intelligent man and even has a respectable sense of humor. As for his stance on things, I don't know any of them to be honest. But seriously, anyone but Bush.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 27, 2004, 9:54 am

McCain would have been a good president however, his foreign policy was absolutely horrible. A smart canidate would adopt Nixon's foreign policy and garner the support of our armed forces and their families.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 27, 2004, 10:48 am

so are you saying Bush is good at foreign policy?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 27, 2004, 10:59 am

McCain > Bush.
McCain >>>>> Cheney.

A chimp's foreign policy > Bush's.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 27, 2004, 11:51 am

Wait a minute, when did Bush implement a foreign policy??

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 27, 2004, 11:54 am

Oh crap it was a trick question!

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 27, 2004, 11:59 am

This is an interesting thread. A bit of fun if you will. I'm not going to go back and do the research to prove this but I think Gore would have beat McCain.

Regardless of the past McCain is doing a good job of providing the Republicans with some sort of reality check.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » August 27, 2004, 12:07 pm

I don't like McCain personally.

I don't like how he can support and promote a man who attacked his child, wife and war record (all of these are hitting far below the belt).

His voting record pretty much goes completely against what I believe.

The only good thing about him really is the fact that he knows when an issue is just for political gain and is a waste of time.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 27, 2004, 12:08 pm

Bush uses his father's foreign policy, which is horrid.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 27, 2004, 12:31 pm

So Bush gets reelected this year. He moves back to the right provoking protest even within the Republican Party. The Democrats move even harder to the screechy left. John McCain opposes Bush's right-wing social moves and emerges as the voice of moderation among Republicans. McCain vs. Hillary 2008.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » August 27, 2004, 1:10 pm

i'd vote mccain in a heartbeat.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 27, 2004, 1:19 pm

I voted for McCain then, and I'll do it again if he runs in 2008.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 27, 2004, 1:59 pm

masteen wrote:I voted for McCain then, and I'll do it again if he runs in 2008.

which must be why he is sucking up to Bush this year.

I cannot understand how he can support somebody who push-polled in South Carolina with questions about John McCain having a black child. He has an adopted child from Bangladesh, but it is obvious, the Bush supporters were race-baiting with the push-polling.

I really like McCain, but i just dont understand his current stance.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 27, 2004, 2:10 pm

Voronwë wrote:
masteen wrote:I voted for McCain then, and I'll do it again if he runs in 2008.
which must be why he is sucking up to Bush this year.

I cannot understand how he can support somebody who push-polled in South Carolina with questions about John McCain having a black child. He has an adopted child from Bangladesh, but it is obvious, the Bush supporters were race-baiting with the push-polling.

I really like McCain, but i just dont understand his current stance.

It's impossible to not suck up or make some borderline votes if you hope to advance in the political arena. That's why any candidate will always have something in their history that can be targeted by the opposition.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 27, 2004, 3:00 pm

Metanis wrote:So Bush gets reelected this year. He moves back to the right provoking protest even within the Republican Party. The Democrats move even harder to the screechy left. John McCain opposes Bush's right-wing social moves and emerges as the voice of moderation among Republicans. McCain vs. Hillary 2008.

Hillary wins. After 8 years of Bush the Democrats show some unity. McCain alienates the far right and they splinter off and vote for someone like Pat Buchanan.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 27, 2004, 3:06 pm

I would like to see Coiln Powell run for president.
Why? Because.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 27, 2004, 3:13 pm

Metanis wrote:
Metanis wrote:So Bush gets reelected this year. He moves back to the right provoking protest even within the Republican Party. The Democrats move even harder to the screechy left. John McCain opposes Bush's right-wing social moves and emerges as the voice of moderation among Republicans. McCain vs. Hillary 2008.
Hillary wins. After 8 years of Bush the Democrats show some unity. McCain alienates the far right and they splinter off and vote for someone like Pat Buchanan.

4 years of menopausal screeching leads the mortified Republicans to cast about for a new saviour.

Jeb Bush stands forward and reports for duty.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » August 27, 2004, 3:17 pm

uh Jeb Bush hahahahaahah no.
actually let me reinforce that
NO.
holy hell in a handbasket God No.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 27, 2004, 4:23 pm

Jeb is a fine governator. His environmental policy needs some work (too much big sugar $$), but overall he's done a decent job. Plus he's married to a Cuban lady, which guaranfuckingtees him Florida, plus makes him the only GOP candidate since Reagan who could possibly swing California.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 27, 2004, 5:03 pm

Voronwë wrote:
masteen wrote:I voted for McCain then, and I'll do it again if he runs in 2008.
which must be why he is sucking up to Bush this year.

I cannot understand how he can support somebody who push-polled in South Carolina with questions about John McCain having a black child. He has an adopted child from Bangladesh, but it is obvious, the Bush supporters were race-baiting with the push-polling.

I really like McCain, but i just dont understand his current stance.

His expression was hilarious on the daily show a while back. When Stewart asked who he would support in the 2004 elections McCain rolled his eyes, paused, took a deep sighn and then said with a sad-like expression on his face "ehh im supporting Bush....supporting Bush"

I do think it is a cowardly move with some ulterior motive to support Bush publicly, although i wouldnt be surprised that when hes alone in that voting Booth hes gonna cast a vote for Kerry.

Not that it matters anyways, GODAMN did you see the election margins in Washington DC...Kerry is up by OVER 75% points, Bush holds a whopping 9% in his workplace! Not to be surprised the biggest Bush supporting state is whacked-out fucking mormon country (utah) with over 45% points

for some reason i really dont think he wants to run for president again, i could be compleatly wrong though. Guliani would be a great "new republican" liberal face for the party to challenge Kerry in 2008

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 27, 2004, 5:09 pm

you think Haley Barbour is going to let a pro-choice person like Giuliani get the nomination?

thing again.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 27, 2004, 6:41 pm

I did vote for McCain in the primaries

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 27, 2004, 7:05 pm

The only thing good about McCain is he is a popular republican who also happens not to be George Bush.

What I want is a gay or black or female Republican who can attract enough of those demographics that we can tell the right wing christains to fuck off.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » August 27, 2004, 7:21 pm

Personally I don't like either Bush or McCain. McCain if for nothing else than his role in pushing through the horrible Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act. He was also involved in the big tobacco settlement and a few other things I didn't particularly agree with.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 27, 2004, 7:26 pm

Chmee wrote:Personally I don't like either Bush or McCain. McCain if for nothing else than his role in pushing through the horrible Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act. He was also involved in the big tobacco settlement and a few other things I didn't particularly agree with.

Seeing as you're views are a little whackier than most Chmee. Who do you like as a potential presidential candidate?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 27, 2004, 7:49 pm

I was hoping for McCain to be the one in 2000... If he were running today I would vote for him. Both choices this year are idiots...maybe we will get lucky in 2008.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 27, 2004, 7:50 pm

Didn't know libertarians were cosidered *wacky*

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 28, 2004, 1:46 am

McCain.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » August 28, 2004, 1:48 am

Aaeamdar wrote:What I want is a gay or black or female Republican who can attract enough of those demographics that we can tell the right wing christains to fuck off.

Just about the most unreliastic thought I've ever heard you say Dar!

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