Ban the Christians, kill the Bushites!

[Metanis]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mike ... 0824.shtml

Ban the Christians, kill the Bushites!
Mike S. Adams

August 24, 2004

When I recently learned that UNC officials had ordered the funds of a Christian fraternity frozen just because they refused to admit non-Christians, I was shocked. When I found out later that the funds never even belonged to the state I was outraged. The idea that the state of North Carolina could freeze the privately raised funds of a Christian fraternity made me wonder whether UNC equated Christian student groups with terrorist networks like al-Qaeda...

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©2004 Mike S. Adams

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I realize this is a Townhall.com contributor. I realize that most of you won't even read this. However, if you want a glimpse into how liberalism, secularism, and political correctness is killing our society it's worth taking 2 minutes to check this out.

[archeiron]

I realize this is a Townhall.com contributor. I realize that most of you won't even read this. However, if you want a glimpse into how liberalism, secularism, and political correctness is killing our society it's worth taking 2 minutes to check this out.

Eh? What does this have to do with being liberal? Last time I checked liberal rough means "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry". Without reading your article, I don't even see how this definition applies. Live and let live is my liberal policy. I won't fuck with your Christian group just so long as you don't go throwing red paint on women coming out of abortion clinics.

I will be content when everyone on this damn planet realizes that no one is always going to agree with the way that they want to do things, but that that is ok and it is ok for other people to do things differently. Don't like abortions? Good, don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't take any. Just stay the fuck out of other people's business when they want to behave differently than YOU think that THEY should.

[Bubba Grizz]

Interesting read. I'd like to hear UNC's response. Why doesn't this reach the big news like CNN?

[Metanis]

...Without reading your article...

The feeling is mutual.

[Xouqoa]

I will be content when everyone on this damn planet realizes that no one is always going to agree with the way that they want to do things, but that that is ok and it is ok for other people to do things differently. Don't like abortions? Good, don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't take any. Just stay the fuck out of other people's business when they want to behave differently than YOU think that THEY should.

Word up.

[masteen]

It is pretty much bullshit that UNC froze assets that in no way, shape, or form belonged to them. The other crap in that article has nothing to do with the real issue presented, and in fact draws attention away from it.

Arch should be our next president.

[Dregor Thule]

Don't schools have total authority over fraternities? Didn't go to school with frats (they're not really a big thing in Canada) so I'm limited in my exposure to frat rules to things such as Animal House, Revenge of the Nerds et sequels, and Old School.

[Sylvus]

Christ, that is a totally asinine article. I can't say much for the university "freezing the funds" of the fraternity, as the writer doesn't link any details or anything at all other than mentioning that they did it (or I missed the details), but if an organization that is part of a state-funded university like UNC wants to deny membership based on religion, they absolutely should be "de-recognized". I think there are plenty of precedents for that.

As far as them saying that UNC is supporting terrorist writings and stuff, that's just as asinine a claim. What UNC is doing, in both cases, is supporting everyone's right to have a voice. They run an independent website where anyone can speak out, it just so happens in this case that some person or group of people advocate 9/11 and whatnot. While I don't personally agree with their message, I agree with their right to voice their opinion. And the University is being consistent. They are supporting one place that allows anyone to speak (the website), regardless of how whacked their message is, and admonishing another place that will only allow one type of person to speak (the fraternity).

When I recently learned that UNC officials had ordered the funds of a Christian fraternity frozen just because they refused to admit non-Christians, I was shocked.

"Just because..."

I would think that a Christian organization should welcome anyone that wants to join them. /shrug

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

So if a fraternity cannot only accept Christian pledges, then would that not set a precedent that no fraternity (or sorority) could not set limits as to who can join? What is to stop a female from pledging to a fraternity?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I realize this is a Townhall.com contributor. I realize that most of you won't even read this. However, if you want a glimpse into how liberalism, secularism, and political correctness is killing our society it's worth taking 2 minutes to check this out.

Eh? What does this have to do with being liberal? Last time I checked liberal rough means "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry". Without reading your article, I don't even see how this definition applies. Live and let live is my liberal policy. I won't fuck with your Christian group just so long as you don't go throwing red paint on women coming out of abortion clinics.

I will be content when everyone on this damn planet realizes that no one is always going to agree with the way that they want to do things, but that that is ok and it is ok for other people to do things differently. Don't like abortions? Good, don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't take any. Just stay the fuck out of other people's business when they want to behave differently than YOU think that THEY should.

Yes that is what it used to mean before it became a bad word.

[Xzion]

I realize this is a Townhall.com contributor. I realize that most of you won't even read this. However, if you want a glimpse into how liberalism, secularism, and political correctness is killing our society it's worth taking 2 minutes to check this out.

Eh? What does this have to do with being liberal? Last time I checked liberal rough means "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry". Without reading your article, I don't even see how this definition applies. Live and let live is my liberal policy. I won't fuck with your Christian group just so long as you don't go throwing red paint on women coming out of abortion clinics.

I will be content when everyone on this damn planet realizes that no one is always going to agree with the way that they want to do things, but that that is ok and it is ok for other people to do things differently. Don't like abortions? Good, don't have one. Don't like drugs? Don't take any. Just stay the fuck out of other people's business when they want to behave differently than YOU think that THEY should.

Yes that is what it used to mean before it became a bad word.

60 years ago Nazi was a good word...whats your point

Sure liberal might be a bad word to racist bigots like Jerry Falwell and Pat Buchanan...

Keep in mind this nations founding fathers were at the time...the most extreme, pure liberals on this planet. Conservatives during the time of the revolutionary war were those that supported King George (exe:that american douchebag in The Patriot) This country was founded with deep-rooted liberal values (see the 1st ten amendments).
In a way, you can say to be conservative is anti-american and un-patriotic...it actually makes a lot more sence then the other way around

[Pherr the Dorf]

Had they been Islamic the arguements would be going the other way, just change the names and the arguements fit...kinda funny

[Sylvos]

I do not see why they froze funds to a fraternity. Fraternities have never had to admit anyone they didn't want to. They are private organizations on campus, clubs if you will (well not really but for those never in a frat we'll use this to describe it). I do not see why a "Christian Frat" (wtf?) would not allow non-Christians to join unless they didn't want those said individuals in because of attitude, personality or same belief system. Hell I got into Kappa Alpha (and no i'm not a redneck, racist, bigot or skinhead blackie hater) and they being the type of organization that doesn't "prefer" minorities never got any gruff for not letting in a black guy or an asian (of course I also left that frat due to the fact that I couldn't handle being around racist bigot white rednecks who threw cotton on the lawn and paid little black kids to pick it up as a "joke" but that's another story). Looks like to me ,someone didnt get into a frat - contacted their daddy's friend in the UNC school board and had the university freeze their funding. It's a completely idiotic article for sure.

[Adex_Xeda]

Why would a christian fraternity NOT take in non christians?

The non-christian applicant's willingness to be around them and take part in their activities provides a great opportunity to win them over to the faith.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I can tell you exactly why. Because anything that was done by that member would reflect poorly on the whole fraternity...and being Christians they would be under more scrutiny by all the people who like to point out their shortcomings.

[Sylvus]

Why would a christian fraternity NOT take in non christians?

The non-christian applicant's willingness to be around them and take part in their activities provides a great opportunity to win them over to the faith.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

As far as UNC freezing their funds, I'd like to hear more about their reasoning or the actual details of the story, other than some guy's opinion piece saying "they froze their funds that they raised themselves". I don't know whether they'd been warned for violating something before or whether the University had given them some money for some reason or any details, really.

[Lohrno]

I realize this is a Townhall.com contributor. I realize that most of you won't even read this. However, if you want a glimpse into how liberalism, secularism, and political correctness is killing our society it's worth taking 2 minutes to check this out.

That's not liberalism IMHO. Liberalism is about allowing and acceptance of beliefs, and freedom.

If the campus froze their funds because of that, that would actually be a conservative attitude.

I glanced over the article, and all I see are extremist views. The only tidbit of possible discussion info is what you quoted.

-=Lohrno

[Metanis]

I realize this is a Townhall.com contributor. I realize that most of you won't even read this. However, if you want a glimpse into how liberalism, secularism, and political correctness is killing our society it's worth taking 2 minutes to check this out.

That's not liberalism IMHO. Liberalism is about allowing and acceptance of beliefs, and freedom.

If the campus froze their funds because of that, that would actually be a conservative attitude.

I glanced over the article, and all I see are extremist views. The only tidbit of possible discussion info is what you quoted.

-=Lohrno

The definition of liberal has changed. Mostly because those who profess to be liberals have no critical thinking skills.

[kyoukan]

The definition of liberal has changed. Mostly because those who profess to be liberals have no critical thinking skills.

this from a guy who has never even a single time backed up an argument with anything remotely resembling fact or rationality.

[Lohrno]

The definition of liberal has changed. Mostly because those who profess to be liberals have no critical thinking skills.

I refuse to change the definition of liberal to 'Democrat.' Sorry.

-=Lohrno

[Truant]

As I recall, the University has certain control over the Fraternity or Sorority if they are actually on campus itself. They have many more rules to abide by, and whatnot.

Back at North Texas, every single Fraternity had been forced to move off campus except one, for varying reasons of trouble.

[Voronwë]

i have a hard time believing that a University cna legally freeze funds that are not its own in the first place.

for instance, perhaps this Christian Club was allocated the standard $5K (making a number up) that all University of North Carolina "clubs" are allocated each academic year. These are drawn from an account set up at the bank the University does business with.

That is a scenario i can see UNC having access to and freezing funds. Basically money they give out.

I find it very hard to believe that they would have the authority to seize private property - in fact i think that is pretty outrageous without any documentation to that effect.

[Voronwë]

shocker, the original article posted here is complete fabrication and bullshit:

http://www.dailytarheel.com/vnews/displ ... _archive=1

there is a real fraternity sueing UNC, but not because UNC froze *their* money. UNC didn't give them any of *UNC's* money.

so basically it was exactly like the hypothetical i proposed above. But of course that isn't sensational for rightwing propaganda, so they had to embellish it and seed the internet.

The fraternity refused to sign a nondiscrimination policy, required of all student organizations, when its recognition was up for review last fall. The agreement guarantees student groups access to facilities and funding through student fees.

come on people be a little bit more intrepid than firing off a Google search. i had no idea what the name of the UNC student newspaper was, but it wasn't hard to figure out. then searching from there...

[Kelshara]

Metanis = owned by teh Ranger.

Ouch.

[Lohrno]

come on people be a little bit more intrepid than firing off a Google search. i had no idea what the name of the UNC student newspaper was, but it wasn't hard to figure out. then searching from there...

I'm sorry. Just glancing at the original article made me not really want to read anything else on the subject.

-=Lohrno

[Aaeamdar]

That's too bad. I like the idea of taking all the Christain's money. They were just going to do something stupid with it anyway, like give it to the Church to pay off molestation settlements. Ahhh well, turns out just to be a lie and not a liberal conspiracy after all. The article did say one thing of interest though:

[are] Christian student groups [equated] with terrorist networks like al-Qaeda...

to which I can answer a resounding "Yes."

[miir]

Imagine that... even more reason not to ever click on a townhall link that these jackasses post.... Pretty funny (but not surprising) that they have to make shit up and lie to support thier opinions.

[Cartalas]

Imagine that... even more reason not to ever click on a townhall link that these jackasses post.... Pretty funny (but not surprising) that they have to make shit up and lie to support thier opinions.

Now this is funny as hell. While I dont read The Townhall, its funny how anything the Townhall prints is a lie and made up, but everything Moore says is the truth. Give me a break you fucking hipocrits.

[Lynks]

Show me proof where people on this board said that EVERYTHING Moore said is the truth.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

That's too bad. I like the idea of taking all the Christain's money. They were just going to do something stupid with it anyway, like give it to the Church to pay off molestation settlements. Ahhh well, turns out just to be a lie and not a liberal conspiracy after all. The article did say one thing of interest though:

[are] Christian student groups [equated] with terrorist networks like al-Qaeda...

to which I can answer a resounding "Yes."

Christian != Catholic asshat.

[Sylvos]

for the last fucking time.

its spelled


HYPOCRITE

how the fuck did some of you graduate from high school?

[Truant]

Imagine that... even more reason not to ever click on a townhall link that these jackasses post.... Pretty funny (but not surprising) that they have to make shit up and lie to support thier opinions.

Now this is funny as hell. While I dont read The Townhall, its funny how anything the Townhall prints is a lie and made up, but everything Moore says is the truth. Give me a break you fucking hipocrits.

How many times are going to keep saying this and keep ignoring the 5 people that reply each time about not worshiping Moore. You're making shit up right here and now. You are lieing, with no basis for support. Repeating for clarity, you are lieing.

[miir]

Now this is funny as hell. While I dont read The Townhall, its funny how anything the Townhall prints is a lie and made up, but everything Moore says is the truth. Give me a break you fucking hipocrits.

I assume that you actually read and comprehend most/some of what you read here, Cart. Given that, I fail to see how you could come to the conclusion that anyone here would consider everything that Michael Moore has done as being 'the truth'.

Also, I didn't say that anything or everything at Townhall is a lie, but this particular editorial blatantly lied and made up a story to support an opinion.

That, in turn, put townhall on the same level as Michael Moore.

Have you ever seen anyone here quote MMoore or use his films as the basis for a 'serious' political argument?

[Metanis]

Metanis = owned by teh Ranger.

Ouch.

Yes, in this case I was. I took that Mike Adam's column hook, line and sinker! If I was a fish I'd be grilling right now with a light basting of butter sauce.

[Pherr the Dorf]

Metanis = owned by teh Ranger.

Ouch.

Yes, in this case I was. I took that Mike Adam's column hook, line and sinker! If I was a fish I'd be grilling right now with a light basting of butter sauce.

You'd go nice with some fingerling potatoes and a nice fennel soubice!

[Kelshara]

Add some cajun spices!

[masteen]

You'd go nice with some fingerling potatoes and a nice fennel soubice!

Can you make a soubice with man-milk?

[Lynks]

Cartalas still hasn't shown me proof yet. This doesn't surprise me, he needs to resort to lies to make his point. Do you work for Bush?

[Cartalas]

Cartalas still hasn't shown me proof yet. This doesn't surprise me, he needs to resort to lies to make his point. Do you work for Bush?

Hmmm I dont need to waste my time its there you know it. TaTa

[Lynks]

Cartalas still hasn't shown me proof yet. This doesn't surprise me, he needs to resort to lies to make his point. Do you work for Bush?

Hmmm I dont need to waste my time its there you know it. TaTa

Nope..that isnt proof. And no, I don't know it because I haven't ever seen it.

[Cartalas]

Cartalas still hasn't shown me proof yet. This doesn't surprise me, he needs to resort to lies to make his point. Do you work for Bush?

Hmmm I dont need to waste my time its there you know it. TaTa

Nope..that isnt proof. And no, I don't know it because I haven't ever seen it.

Ill give a hint Lincoln Log Lucy, do a search on Moore! But if thats to tough oh well .

[Lynks]

I did, found nothing. I guess that means you're just a tool and a liar.

*waiting for 'I know you are but what am I' comeback now*

[Aaeamdar]

Christian != Catholic asshat.

They are all the same.

[masteen]

Christian != Catholic asshat.

They are all the same.

Catholics are hypocritical idolators. Other Christians are hypocritical racists/classists/facists. You've been reading these boards long enough, get it right!