Hehe, CNN leaks classified info, Fox refrains

What do you think about the world?
Post Reply
User avatar
Adex_Xeda
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2278
Joined: July 3, 2002, 7:35 pm
Location: The Mighty State of Texas

Hehe, CNN leaks classified info, Fox refrains

Post by Adex_Xeda »

Score one for Fox. :D

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 4Aug4.html
Federal investigators concluded that Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) divulged classified intercepted messages to the media when he was on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, according to sources familiar with the probe.

Specifically, Fox News chief political correspondent Carl Cameron confirmed to FBI investigators that Shelby verbally divulged the information to him during a June 19, 2002, interview, minutes after Shelby's committee had been given the information in a classified briefing, according to the sources, who declined to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the case.

Cameron did not air the material. Moments after Shelby spoke with Cameron, he met with CNN reporter Dana Bash, and about half an hour after that, CNN broadcast the material, the sources said. CNN cited "two congressional sources" in its report.
Oh BTW kick the senator out of office. He's obviously too irresponsible for the job.
User avatar
miir
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 11501
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:06 pm
XBL Gamertag: miir1
Location: Toronto
Contact:

Post by miir »

Nowhere in that article does it state that Fox or CNN were aware the information was 'classified' at the time of the interviews.


Perhaps the reporter and producer from Fox decided the interview with Mr. Shelby was not 'newsworthy' enough.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z
Voronwë
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 7176
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Post by Voronwë »

The disclosure involved two messages that were intercepted by the National Security Agency on the eve of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks but were not translated until Sept. 12. The Arabic-language messages said "The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour." The Washington Post, citing senior U.S. intelligence officials, reported the same messages in its June 20, 2002, editions.
if CNN said two congressional sources verified the report, that means one person in addition to Shelby corroborated the information. That is a standard practice in journalism.

at any rate, i will throw out for suggestion that Fox may not have aired the material because it had the potentiality to refelct poorly on the administration.
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

Re: Hehe, CNN leaks classified info, Fox refrains

Post by Metanis »

Adex_Xeda wrote:Oh BTW kick the senator out of office. He's obviously too irresponsible for the job.
I agree Adex. He compromised a means of intelligence gathering for no good reason.

Miir -- The Senator had just walked out of a closed door meeting of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. He had very newsworthy information that was unknown by the general public and press at that time. Both CNN and Fox reporters would have the background and training to have a reasonable suspicion the information was classified. CNN screwed up. What else is new?
User avatar
Sionistic
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3092
Joined: September 20, 2002, 10:17 pm
Gender: Male
Location: Piscataway, NJ

Post by Sionistic »

edit: talk about bad reading skills :oops:
Last edited by Sionistic on August 5, 2004, 11:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
miir
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 11501
Joined: July 3, 2002, 3:06 pm
XBL Gamertag: miir1
Location: Toronto
Contact:

Re: Hehe, CNN leaks classified info, Fox refrains

Post by miir »

Unbelievable...

Instead of dealing with the real issue of a Republican senator leaking classified information to the press in an attempt to "show the shortcomings of the intelligence community" and essentially get George Tenet 'fired', you focus on the completely irrelevant point of which of your cable news media outlets reported the info.


Your country has some really fucked up priorities.
I've got 99 problems and I'm not dealing with any of them - Lay-Z
User avatar
Adex_Xeda
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2278
Joined: July 3, 2002, 7:35 pm
Location: The Mighty State of Texas

Post by Adex_Xeda »

Extract a few trillian dollars from taxpayers and have 500 people fight over it.


That will "fuck up" the priorities of any country.
User avatar
kyoukan
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 8548
Joined: July 5, 2002, 3:33 am
Location: Vancouver

Re: Hehe, CNN leaks classified info, Fox refrains

Post by kyoukan »

Adex_Xeda wrote:Oh BTW kick the senator out of office. He's obviously too irresponsible for the job.
but the bush admin exposing a top level CIA operative in order to vindictively "get back at" her husband doesn't even phase you in the slightest?

will you at least acknowledge how much of a partisan retard you are? yes, fox news is a real bastion of journalistic integrity.
User avatar
Adex_Xeda
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2278
Joined: July 3, 2002, 7:35 pm
Location: The Mighty State of Texas

Post by Adex_Xeda »

I yearn to live by your fair and balanced example Kyo.
User avatar
Dregor Thule
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5994
Joined: July 3, 2002, 8:59 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: Xathlak
PSN ID: dregor77
Location: Oakville, Ontario

Post by Dregor Thule »

Adex_Xeda wrote:I yearn to live by your fair and balanced example Kyo.
Is that a no or a yes?
Image
User avatar
Adex_Xeda
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2278
Joined: July 3, 2002, 7:35 pm
Location: The Mighty State of Texas

Post by Adex_Xeda »

To my knowledge they have a full investigation running on that event.

Bush expressed great anger over the leak and when/if they find the guy who did it, he'll be prosecuted.

So the better question is. What has Bush failed to do in dealing with it? He's activated all the law enforcement investigations.

Do you have some evidence that shows that Bush hasn't been fully on top of this?
Voronwë
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 7176
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Post by Voronwë »

do i have any evidence that they aren't doing anything about it? no

do i have any evidence that they ARE doing anything about it? no

we can jump on that merry-go-round :)

its been about 15 months, and i'm not sure we've had 1 press release on this. but maybe we do. But that suggests to me that not much has really been done. for instance i know an investigation is underway on some dude who killed his wife in Utah and dumped her in a landfill. i know all about that cause the Salt Lake City Police has been updating the media constantly.
Last edited by Voronwë on August 5, 2004, 6:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Adex_Xeda
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2278
Joined: July 3, 2002, 7:35 pm
Location: The Mighty State of Texas

Post by Adex_Xeda »

No,

I asked a straight forward question.

Kyo/Dregor charged that Bush didn't do everything in his power to catch and prosecute a info leaker in his administration.

Everything that I've read in the news points towards Bush letting the bloodhounds loose to catch the guy.

What does Kyo/Dregor have to offer that shows that Bush hasn't done everything he can to catch the guy? Any evidence?

I'd like to read it.

I hold the same standard to Bush or to this senator. If Bush tried to cover for a leaker then I want to know about it.

Otherwise Dregor/Kyo's accusation is useless.
User avatar
Dregor Thule
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5994
Joined: July 3, 2002, 8:59 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: Xathlak
PSN ID: dregor77
Location: Oakville, Ontario

Post by Dregor Thule »

This is why debating politics never really works. Some people will believe whatever the administration tells them, and others will doubt and question whatever the administration tells them. I choose to look at the corruption rampant in politics and say bullshit. You choose to look at the corruption rampant in politics and say democracy at its finest.

Or maybe I should have put that in a verse-like format for you.
Image
Voronwë
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 7176
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Post by Voronwë »

i disagree with that Dregor.

Adex has a point.

there is either an earnest investigation on "the leaker" or there is not. Our knowledge of that investigation does not make it so, and conversely our lack of knowledge of it does not mean it does not exist.

so that comes to your point, in the absence of information we are forced to draw our own conclusions, and that is where you make a very valid point that some people will go one way, and others another.
User avatar
Dregor Thule
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 5994
Joined: July 3, 2002, 8:59 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: Xathlak
PSN ID: dregor77
Location: Oakville, Ontario

Post by Dregor Thule »

Voronwë wrote:i disagree with that Dregor.

Adex has a point.

there is either an earnest investigation on "the leaker" or there is not. Our knowledge of that investigation does not make it so, and conversely our lack of knowledge of it does not mean it does not exist.

so that comes to your point, in the absence of information we are forced to draw our own conclusions, and that is where you make a very valid point that some people will go one way, and others another.
So wait.. you disagree but agree? I'm confused :(

The administration can say there's an earnest investigation going on. One person will look at it and say "Thank you sir! I look forward to possibly hearing about that one day unless it's brushed under a rug via some kind of national scare tactic." Another person might say "Yes, I'm sure it's "earnestly" trying to help OJ find the real killers as well. Why not check with Mr. Cheney on who did it, could be a short investigation!"

Which is exactly what I said in the first place, just more words, and imo in a much more funny manner!
Image
User avatar
Adex_Xeda
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 2278
Joined: July 3, 2002, 7:35 pm
Location: The Mighty State of Texas

Post by Adex_Xeda »

Kyo doesn't like who I trust.

This by her definition makes me an intolerable partisan.

Do I consistantly take faith that Bush is doing the honest thing when no one is looking?

Yes I constantly do.

Kyo despises that.

That's what a representative is for. A single voter can't maintain vigilance over every little detail concerning our government. We have to elect people we can trust to handle those details for us.

Kyo despises who I place my trust in. She thinks that it is a negative reflection on my intelectual and moral character.

That's fine. But nowhere here do I detect a double standard on my part. I want honesty in my government.

BTW, I am VERY interested in things that might prove that my trust is misplaced.
User avatar
Thess
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1036
Joined: July 4, 2002, 1:34 am
Location: Connecticut

Post by Thess »

15 months - yeah I'd say that's appropiate when probably about 6 people in the white house had access to the information.
User avatar
Metanis
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1417
Joined: July 5, 2002, 4:54 pm
Location: Wisconsin

Post by Metanis »

Thess wrote:15 months - yeah I'd say that's appropiate when probably about 6 people in the white house had access to the information.
Re-read the thread if need be, but the Bush Administration has NOT been playing politics with the CIA Leak investigation. There is an old saying, "the wheels of justice turn slowly". It would surely appear that the PRESS itself may be holding this up.

Thess, don't you feel bad for buying into conspiracy theories simply based on an absence of information?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... sh_leak_dc
Judge Upholds Media Subpoenas in CIA Leak Case

Monday, August 9, 2004

By James Vicini

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal judge ordered a reporter held for civil contempt on Monday and ruled that journalists at NBC News and Time magazine must testify in the investigation into whether the Bush administration illegally leaked a covert CIA officer's name to the media.

U.S. District Chief Judge Thomas Hogan rejected requests to quash subpoenas to Tim Russert of NBC's "Meet the Press" and Matthew Cooper of Time magazine for violating their First Amendment rights.

The subpoenas, issued by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, require that Russert and Cooper appear before a federal grand jury to testify about conversations with an unidentified government official who was a confidential source.

In an order on Monday, Hogan said Cooper and Time at a hearing on Friday refused to comply with the subpoena despite his ruling and he held them in civil contempt of court. The ruling was dated July 20, but released on Monday.

The reporter was ordered "confined at a suitable place" and Time was fined $1,000 a day until they complied. The judge did not specify where Cooper would be confined.

Hogan stayed Time's fine and granted Cooper bail while they appeal the contempt finding to the U.S. appeals court. He said the appeals presented "substantial legal questions."

Citing a 1972 Supreme Court ruling, Hogan said a reporter called to testify before a grand jury about confidential information enjoyed no First Amendment protection.

"The information requested from Mr. Cooper and Mr. Russert is very limited, all available alternative means of obtaining the information have been exhausted, the testimony sought is necessary for the completion of the investigation and the testimony sought is expected to constitute direct evidence of innocence or guilt," Hogan wrote.

NO REPORTERS' PRIVILEGE

He ruled that Cooper and Russert have no reporters' privilege, qualified or otherwise, that would excuse them from testifying before the grand jury.

"There have been no allegations whatsoever that this grand jury is acting in bad faith or with the purpose of harassing these two journalists," the judge concluded.

A number of top administration officials have been questioned in the leak investigation, including President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Secretary of State Colin Powell.

The grand jury has been hearing testimony in an attempt to establish who leaked the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame to the media last year.

Plame is the wife of Joe Wilson, a former ambassador who was asked by the CIA to travel to Niger in February 2002 to check reports that Iraq had tried to buy enriched uranium from the African country.

A newspaper columnist disclosed Plame's identity in July last year and Wilson accused the Bush administration of having leaked the information to pay him back for having publicly taken issue with the president's uranium claim.

The White House subsequently said Bush should not have cited the claim in his 2003 State of the Union address.

Disclosing the identity of a clandestine intelligence officer is a federal crime as is leaking classified information to the media.

Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago, was appointed by the Justice Department late last year as special prosecutor, an announcement made at the same time that Attorney General John Ashcroft stepped aside from the politically charged probe.
User avatar
Thess
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1036
Joined: July 4, 2002, 1:34 am
Location: Connecticut

Post by Thess »

I never said that the trial wasn't actually happening, or that they were playing politics.

I just said that only about 6 people know who the CIA operatives are, 15 months for this trial to happen is an awfully long time.

Do I know for sure who these 6 people would be? No - I am just paraphrasing John Dean on the issue.
Voronwë
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 7176
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Post by Voronwë »

funny Joe WIlson said it was probably Scooter Libby last year (Dick Cheney's chief of staff).
Post Reply