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Interesting Article About Anti-Americanism

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That many of you will hate. . .but I agree with it 100%.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128293,00.html

Witnessing the reaction in Old Europe to champion cyclist Lance Armstrong's record-breaking sixth Tour de France win, I was reminded of a telling scene in Chariots of Fire, the Oscar-winning movie about the 1924 British Olympic team.

In it, two Cambridge University dons confront Jewish student and runner Harold Abrahams (played by Ben Cross) and accuse him of adopting a professional attitude—of striving for individual success at the expense of esprit de corps. Abrahams's restrained but angry reply includes this memorable riposte: "You yearn for victory just as I do, but achieved with the apparent effortlessness of gods."

My seat in Old Europe is in Munich, from which I watched not only Armstrong's extraordinary, awe-inspiring performance but the tangible reluctance among European observers to acknowledge it as such. After he achieved his record-breaking title, a BBC reporter went out of his way to rank the American biker below several past Tour greats. During the three-week race, rumors of drug-taking were revived by the French and others, though the five-time champion and cancer survivor had never failed a drug test.

On the German TV station I watched, Armstrong's early wins in the mountains were attributed to his team members' assistance, his dominance in the two individual time trials was played down, his rivals—no matter how visibly inferior—were lavished with praise and attention while the real star was virtually ignored. When Armstrong snatched a last-second victory from a German biker in a stage he did not need to win, a stunned German commentator struggled for words to describe the Texan. "He's so . . . ambitious," he said finally, echoing the Cambridge dons' distaste.


There is another thread that connects these two stories. Harold Abrahams's critics were classic anti-Semites of the upper-class British variety, who regarded the Jewish runner's single-mindedness and intensity as the hallmarks of a "tradesman"—in other words, a Jew. Lance Armstrong's European critics—even if they are not overtly anti-American—resent even more than his dominance of what has traditionally been a European sport his very American style of success. He trains too hard for them, plans too carefully, strives too relentlessly. He does not wear his talent lightly or camouflage his intense desire to win. Success at any price, they imply, just as Abrahams' critics accused him of abandoning the ideals of an amateur in "a headlong pursuit of individual glory."

On one point, at least, Armstrong's European critics are right. Striving for success, like following one's dream, is a quintessentially American trait. Taken together, the two have made millionaire moguls of uneducated immigrants, powerful politicians of low-born nobodies, world-famous inventors of basement tinkerers, and great sports champions of disadvantaged youths like Armstrong. The natural home for ambitious dreamers, whatever their nationality, remains the United States.

In Europe, as British author J.K. Rowling experienced when her Harry Potter books began to earn serious money, too much success, like too much popularity, is held to be suspect. Here a high degree of competitiveness is regarded as distasteful or unseemly. Ambition shouldn't be too raw or the will to win too strong. Americans, on the other hand, see competitiveness not as a dirty word but as a natural accompaniment to achievement. We see achievement itself as something to be celebrated, especially if it is hard-won. Yet our foreign critics are mistaken when they imply that American achievers seek to win at all costs.

The truth is more that ambitious Americans are driven—truly driven—not only to do their best but to prove their worth time and again. "I believe in the pursuit of excellence and I'll carry the future with me," Harold Abrahams announces to his elitist critics in Chariots of Fire. The future he refers to may have begun 80 years ago, but he could have been speaking for Lance Armstrong today.

Emily Berns, a former editor in New York, has been living in Munich since 1990.
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so in summary, europeans hate americans because americans are so fucking awesome.

I remember back about 10 years ago when donovan bailey and micheal johnson were feuding over who was the fastest man in the world. bailey routinely made johnson his bitch in every sprint. I don't remember any americans cheering wildly for bailey because he was the better sprinter. likewise I don't remember any smarmy, self important canadian journalists writing shitty articles surmising that the reason canada is better than the US is because canada has a faster sprinter and we "try harder"

the reason "europeans" don't jerk their cocks and cheer wildly every time lance armstrong lifts his leg and farts is because in worldwide sporting events, people always cheer for their home country and don't pay a whole lot of attention to the other ones. name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.

seriously man, get the hell over yourself.
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Yes terrorists hate the US because they hate freedom, democracy and christianity. The other people that hate the US hate them because americans have this amazing work ethic that no non-american has.

Please :roll: . Maybe instead of looking for faults, both obvious and not so obvious, in your detractors you should look at your own government to understand the real reason for anti-americanism. All this article does is cover it up in bullshit so you won't have to admit your foreign policy is monstrous.

The reaction to Armstrong surely has an anti-american slant, but it is also as simple as the reaction to the loss the US basketball team suffered a few weeks ago. Nobody likes their area of expertise being encroached upon.
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actually, for the most part cycling fans in Europe were very supportive of Armstrong. I know that kind of blows up the premise of the article, but that is the truth.

Certainly there were some journalists going after him on doping allegations, but they do not reserve that sort of treatment solely for Americans. Doping is a pervasive in cycling, and journalists go after people of all nationalities for it. I watched coverage of the Tour de France on 3 different channels, 2 European, and nothing but superlatives were said about Armstrong, and the manner in which the crowd was characterized reacting to him was on the whole very positive.

And of course German TV is going to play up Armstrong's two biggest rivals....THEY"RE GERMAN.

Ulrich had finished 2nd to Armstrong 5 straight years before this. The last place you were going to find a lot of pro-Lance people was in Germany.
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kyoukan wrote:so in summary, europeans hate americans because americans are so fucking awesome.

I remember back about 10 years ago when donovan bailey and micheal johnson were feuding over who was the fastest man in the world. bailey routinely made johnson his bitch in every sprint. I don't remember any americans cheering wildly for bailey because he was the better sprinter. likewise I don't remember any smarmy, self important canadian journalists writing shitty articles surmising that the reason canada is better than the US is because canada has a faster sprinter and we "try harder"

the reason "europeans" don't jerk their cocks and cheer wildly every time lance armstrong lifts his leg and farts is because in worldwide sporting events, people always cheer for their home country and don't pay a whole lot of attention to the other ones. name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.

seriously man, get the hell over yourself.
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actually, for the most part cycling fans in Europe were very supportive of Armstrong. I know that kind of blows up the premise of the article, but that is the truth.
There is that pesky logic again, Fox News worshippers don't like that. Most Europeans cheered for Lance, some did not (in particular Germans who cheered for Ullrich who btw I would LOVE to see win again because I consider him a damn good rider). What a shocking surprise that Fox News slants something to be pro-America, anti-Europe and false to the core! I followed the TdF live on OLN, Norwegian news casts and on several websites online. NONE of them said anything against Lance whatsoever, but cheered on his insane success in this summer's Tour. The only time some slight comments were made was when he sprinted down the German rider for absolutely no reason, which I agree wasn't the most classy thing to do in the world.

On a side note: It is well known that Lance has (and probably due to the doping accusations he faces) been more than a little aggressive and arrogant in some interviews with European newsmedia. He DOES talk differently with them than he does on ESPN/OLN.

On a side note: Lance really has no more or less evidence of doping against him than Barry Bonds yet one is convicted in advance and the other is worshipped.
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Kelshara wrote:
On a side note: Lance really has no more or less evidence of doping against him than Barry Bonds yet one is convicted in advance and the other is worshipped.
Not being big into cycling...is there a general problem with doping in Cycling or is Lance the only one accused of this?
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Cycling has had a HUGE ass doping problem for.. hum.. a very long time. Some countries have worked very hard on cleaning it up and the whole cycling sport is getting cleaner. There was one cyclist caught in the TdF this year, one of the possible pre-favourites were caught before the TdF (and then admitted having used it for years without beign caught.. which proves what I have said about it being quite possible to avoid detection) and there is one more issue to deal with: The American doping organization (I can't for the life of me remember the name of it) is NOT regarded in a very positive light abroad due to how it/the sport organizations have covered up abuse in the last 20 or so years. Especially track and field is being hit very hard with delayed doping scandals now, including gold medal winners losing their medals.

No Lance is not the only one who is accused, although his miracoulous career makes him a natural target for a lot of it. I also heard on Outside the Lines on ESPN that he back in the day failed a drug test but it was explained as saddle soreness medication getting into his blood. However, there is as little proof against him as Barry Bonds: No hard evidence, but lots of people accusing him.
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Kelshara wrote:I also heard on Outside the Lines on ESPN that he back in the day failed a drug test but it was explained as saddle soreness medication getting into his blood.
Hm, wouldn't that require open sores? What an unpleasant thought.
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It was an opinion piece. . .I thought it was interesting because it was a slant I had never thought of before. Right or wrong, prolly more wrong that right I guess, but interesting nonetheless.
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Well here is one view of someone who grew up in Europe, travelled a lot there.. and now lives in the US:

American tourists can be complete assholes. I had to deal with a lot of tourists in shitty summer jobs and although Americans might have been the best tippers (tip works differently back home), most of us did not feel it was worth it. That WILL color quite a few people's view of Americans in general unfortunately. And no, not all Americans were but the loudest, most arrogant, most whining were always Americans.

Now why was it this way? I have no idea, but they all seemed to expect everything to be exactly like it is back home for them. I never understood why people travelled if they wanted things to be like back home..

Another point is how American popular culture spreads out throughout the world. I know a lot of people dislike how their own culture is watered out, how languages get inlfuenced etc.
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No see, we hate Americans cause they're all, without exception, workaholics who make us look bad by comparision. None of their wealth or success is drawn from the intrinsic wealth of their homeland, they'd be just as rich and successful if 95% of their country was desert and had no oil, really.

Ho hum. I don't personally know anyone that hates "America" or "Americans", and I have no opinion on Lance one way or the other, except that his achivement in his sport has been impressive and speaks volumes about *him* as a person. I don't think it says a damn thing about Americans in general, hell he's about 1/2 the weight of the average American. I don't think he can be called typical of the nation.

I think the US inspires fear more than hatred for most of the rest of the world.. I know your foreign policy scares the shit out of me :)
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Sports fans will always be pissed off, and bitter when they're "team" doesn't win.

I don't think anti-US sentiment (deserved or not) stems from bike race envy.
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kyoukan wrote:name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.
Hockey, but don't shoot yourself. 8)
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kyoukan wrote:name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.
Hockey, but don't shoot yourself. 8)
I was going to say the exact same thing about Hockey. Even rooting for your home team means rooting for athletes that are likely mostly not from your country. ie: I was really shocked that our goalie was the only one from Russia that's ever won the Stanley Cup (or even been in the SC finals? dont remember), but I was damn happy to have him and hope they resign him for the next season.
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by single I meant single athelete sports, like cycling or track or gymnastics. team sports are different because the people on the team comes from all over the world so people tend to cheer for their favorite team regardless.

olympics are the same though. the germans are going to root for the german basktball team regardless of skill. that doesnt make americans naturally more ambitious or germans jealous europeans who envy the superior american work ethic.
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Avestan wrote:It was an opinion piece. . .I thought it was interesting because it was a slant I had never thought of before. Right or wrong, prolly more wrong that right I guess, but interesting nonetheless.
You'd never heard the opinion that the rest of the world is jealous of the states before? Man, get your head out of your ass, that's the same message that your country has been promoting for decades.
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kyoukan wrote:so in summary, europeans hate americans because americans are so fucking awesome.

I remember back about 10 years ago when donovan bailey and micheal johnson were feuding over who was the fastest man in the world. bailey routinely made johnson his bitch in every sprint.
didn't he (donovan bailey) piss hot on a drug test too?

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nm, that was ben johnson, i think.
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Spang wrote:
kyoukan wrote:so in summary, europeans hate americans because americans are so fucking awesome.

I remember back about 10 years ago when donovan bailey and micheal johnson were feuding over who was the fastest man in the world. bailey routinely made johnson his bitch in every sprint.
didn't he (donovan bailey) piss hot on a drug test too?

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nm, that was ben johnson, i think.
Yea, was ben johnson. Bailey was clean.
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Xouqoa wrote:
kyoukan wrote:name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.
Hockey, but don't shoot yourself. 8)
Hockey isn't world wide... not in any serious way. I mean, I know Jamacia had (has?) a bobsled team, but... :)
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kyoukan wrote:by single I meant single athelete sports, like cycling or track or gymnastics. team sports are different because the people on the team comes from all over the world so people tend to cheer for their favorite team regardless.

olympics are the same though. the germans are going to root for the german basktball team regardless of skill. that doesnt make americans naturally more ambitious or germans jealous europeans who envy the superior american work ethic.

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you rubbing one out to photos of anna kourinkova in your copy of maxim because your troll ass can't get laid doesn't really count as rooting for another country's tennis players.
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kyoukan wrote:you rubbing one out to photos of anna kourinkova in your copy of maxim because your troll ass can't get laid doesn't really count as rooting for another country's tennis players.
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That completely is not true about Tennis.

While 2 people might be playing in a singles match, and people might be cheering for one or the other - the majority of people are rooting for the person who is from their own country, just like any other sport.

Take for example when Tim Henman won Wimbledon, England was ecstatic. and I think every year since he won - when I see him playing at wimbledon - I hear a comment about how much england wants him to win again.
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kyoukan wrote:so in summary, europeans hate americans because americans are so fucking awesome.

I remember back about 10 years ago when donovan bailey and micheal johnson were feuding over who was the fastest man in the world. bailey routinely made johnson his bitch in every sprint. I don't remember any americans cheering wildly for bailey because he was the better sprinter. likewise I don't remember any smarmy, self important canadian journalists writing shitty articles surmising that the reason canada is better than the US is because canada has a faster sprinter and we "try harder"

the reason "europeans" don't jerk their cocks and cheer wildly every time lance armstrong lifts his leg and farts is because in worldwide sporting events, people always cheer for their home country and don't pay a whole lot of attention to the other ones. name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.

seriously man, get the hell over yourself.
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Thess wrote:That completely is not true about Tennis.

While 2 people might be playing in a singles match, and people might be cheering for one or the other - the majority of people are rooting for the person who is from their own country, just like any other sport.

Take for example when Tim Henman won Wimbledon, England was ecstatic. and I think every year since he won - when I see him playing at wimbledon - I hear a comment about how much england wants him to win again.
The people of England love Tim Henman, for usre. But, they loved Agassi like none other. Kyo's statement, like many of her statements, is stated as if fact, because contains very little if any at all.
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That isn't true, while they like people from other countries, and root for them when they don't have as dominant of athletes - they love the people from their country the most.

Kyoukan said:
name one single worldwide sporting event where americans cheer for other country's atheltetes and don't much about their own and I will shoot myself.
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I should have stopped reading at Foxnews.com

I was actually in Paris in when the Tour was going on and most of the population did actually cheer on Lance Armstrong despite the popular belief that all Europeans despise him.
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The people of England love Tim Henman, for usre. But, they loved Agassi like none other
Um, no.
It's a crap example. Brits go to Wimbledon cos it's here and will happily watch whoever is stuck in front of them when they've queued 14 hours for the tickets and paid $20 for a Pimms and lemonade.
But nobody generates the hysteria of Henman in this country. They installed the big video screens outside Centre Court purely because of the hordes that were turning up to watch the (useless, overrated) guy.
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I can't name one sport where Americans cheer on a non-American unless it impacts/has something to do with American players.. aka team sports, an American moving on if the foreigner wins etc.
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Pimm's and Lemonade sounds good right about now.
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Kelshara wrote:I can't name one sport where Americans cheer on a non-American unless it impacts/has something to do with American players.. aka team sports, an American moving on if the foreigner wins etc.

your wrong I think there a lot of americans that are rooting for other basketball teams other then the US. I know that I want Germany to win because I like Dirk.
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Wasn't there a Brit a few years ago that made a fairly deep run into Wimbeldon? Much like Jimmy Connors in the US Opens toward the end of his career, this guy seemed to be pushed on more by the crowd than he was by talent. The point is the crowd loved him, and cheered more lustily than I thought English tennis fans could.
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yeah Tim Henmann :p
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Kelshara wrote:I can't name one sport where Americans cheer on a non-American unless it impacts/has something to do with American players.. aka team sports, an American moving on if the foreigner wins etc.

Golf. There are a metric shit ton of Americans rooting for players like Ernie Els, Retief Goosen, Greg Norman, etc etc etc. On the other hand, damn near every single American hates Colin Mongtomerie. Greg Norman was actually one of the most popular players on tour for several years in the U.S.
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The point really is, people didn't hate Lance because he was American, they hated him (if at all) because he was an American winning constantly on their soil, not American values or anything liek that.
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The point is the crowd loved him, and cheered more lustily than I thought English tennis fans could
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I guess I really don't give a shit about other countries sports as much as I care about our own. However I have found myself cheer often for a foreign player playing sports here. I personally don't care to watch or talk about cycling but I know that there are others who do and I respect that. If put in a situation where I knew nothing about the players or the game I would have to say I would cheer for the American or the chick with the nicer rack.
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wtf is a pimms?
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