Kerry's speech

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 29, 2004, 11:58 pm

Great speech, I was moved.

Right up until he stopped talking.

It was a great speech. It's what he needed.

Sadly with that man's record, there's no telling if he'll hold to his promises.

I guess it's just a song and dance show, woo the crowd, take their pocketbooks.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 29, 2004, 11:59 pm

Oh yea, I thought how he hammered Bush's weaknesses was well done.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » July 30, 2004, 12:00 am

Wonderful speech...is all I gotta say. Im a Republican through thick and thin with my core values, but I must say I respect John Kerry.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 30, 2004, 12:02 am

Man i hope you are watching this on CNN.

"What the fuck is happening up there!!"

Edit: Tacvi sucks, dead again. Anyway, somehow CNN broadcast the audio from the people running the balloon drop at the end. It seems there was some glich dropping the balloons and CNN broadcast the guy getting pissed off and saying the quote above.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 30, 2004, 12:04 am

Damn I missed it.

What'd they do?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 30, 2004, 12:06 am

Ehh, CNN is having a collective Kerrygasm. Must turn channel, too much fanboi.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 30, 2004, 12:12 am

I'll wait for the Daily Show version

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 30, 2004, 12:14 am

It was a great speech, this entire week has been absolutely amazing.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 30, 2004, 12:15 am

As to the speech I thought he nailed it. Great speech, I was very surprised. I had not expected it at all.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 30, 2004, 12:17 am

He seemed lively as well. Not the Lurch we're used to.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » July 30, 2004, 1:22 am

He said everything I wanted to hear.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 30, 2004, 1:24 am

It was EXCELLENT! I watched it on Fox as my CNN kept acting up and they covered it pretty well. Even the commentary afterwards was pretty balanced, very impressed with their covereage. Only negative I saw will hopefully not be one at all as they gave "Republican reaction" to things at the end. If they do the same for the Dems... I'll be impressed.

Thought Kerry nailed it though, he addressed the issues and didn't get too negative. I probably won't decide 100% until closer to the election but tonight just strengthend my resolve for Kerry a great deal (Still a Edwards/Clark man at heart though).

Marb

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 30, 2004, 1:24 am

It was so so.

Not much excitement about it afterwards even on CNN.

I was watching as well on CNN Forthe : )

"Where are the damn baloons?" "More baloons!" "What the fuck are you guys doing up there?"

lol

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 30, 2004, 1:31 am

Great speech, even some conservative was saying something like "kerry might have just made his acceptance speech as our next President"
This took out a lot of conservative attacks.
Kerry will no longer be viewed as weak on defense, nor as someone who wants to raise taxes for the majority of the nation (the majority

)

Only thing they will have is Kerry is too "liberal" (which is just a facy word for Kerry likes social freedom too much)
All the RNC can do is bash Kerry, because Bush's record sucks too much ass to back up...i no longer see this as being a close election, but an overwhelming Regan-style win for Kerry

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » July 30, 2004, 1:42 am

I loved the Lincoln quote. Great way to summon the image of one of the greatest presidents ever as well as get a dig in on Bush.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 30, 2004, 1:50 am

I watched the majority of the democratic convention on c-span. I absolutely despise watching politics on any other station.

Mak · Post by **Mak** » July 30, 2004, 2:34 am

I thought it was a good speech, and I'd really like to believe he means everything he said. If he does win, I certainly hope he follows through on it. But, while I'm hearing (and liking) things like "strong military" I can't help but remember his Senate voting record on things like that.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 30, 2004, 2:50 am

On things like what? The fact that there were 2 bills for the 87 billion? That the bill Kerry voted for was not only for 87 billion but as well as repealing the tax cut for the upper class (So we could actually pay for the war out of OUR pockets).

Mak · Post by **Mak** » July 30, 2004, 3:01 am

On things like the Patriot missile, the Tomahawk cruise missile, the B-2 stealth bomber, the Apache helicopter, and the M-1 Abrams tank.

I've seen articles in the past that state he's one of the worst when it comes to spending money on defense.

So while I'd really like to believe his speech tonight, I'm just not sure I can.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 30, 2004, 4:37 am

Mak wrote:On things like the Patriot missile, the Tomahawk cruise missile, the B-2 stealth bomber, the Apache helicopter, and the M-1 Abrams tank.

I've seen articles in the past that state he's one of the worst when it comes to spending money on defense.

So while I'd really like to believe his speech tonight, I'm just not sure I can.

He talks tough on defense now but the republicans will do a number on him during their convention. There's a reason he didn't mention his voting record during his speech. There will be some valid concerns raised about his ability to keep our military up to date and prepared. You can't vote no on almost every major weapons system we use today and flip a switch and say things will change once I'm president. He can't hide his voting record and talk is cheap with a long history for everyone to see.

That alone will cost him some of the points he picked up in the polls from this convention. Add the increasing fear of terror attacks during the summer olympics and threats to disrupt the elections and you're back to a dead heat.

This one will go down to the wire.

Karae · Post by **Karae** » July 30, 2004, 5:01 am

Plus his wife is donating money to Hezbollah. That will hurt him immensely.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » July 30, 2004, 5:25 am

Mak wrote:On things like the Patriot missile, the Tomahawk cruise missile, the B-2 stealth bomber, the Apache helicopter, and the M-1 Abrams tank.

I've seen articles in the past that state he's one of the worst when it comes to spending money on defense.

So while I'd really like to believe his speech tonight, I'm just not sure I can.

Mak read my post here, it might shed some light on your concerns
http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... 856#195856

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 30, 2004, 8:11 am

It was a typical presidential candidate speech. Filled with glorious ideas and grad visions. He painted the same picture that has been painted by the Dems for the last 2 years. I'm hoping the debates will be a little more telling about this man, but I doubt that as well.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 30, 2004, 8:58 am

For somebody like Kerry who doesn't always come across the best way, he really nailed it when he had to. THe convention was so scripted that the press had nothing to talk about, so they were pretty cranky. So really expectations were set very high by the press, and he delivered. I think a lot of members of the press were actually hoping that he stumbled so they'd have an unexpected story, hehe.

yeah on CNN"s air to have the audio from the show 'director' asking for the balloon release i thought was a big mistake. you knew he was going to say "fuck" sooner or later, so why not cut his audio. i found it distracting as well. anyway, it was sort of funny though.

i think the convention really was everything the Democrats wanted. But they have very well organized and formidible opponents. The GOP sure as hell isn't going to roll over. Basically, the race is simply starting in earnest now.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 30, 2004, 10:11 am

Speech was good but the crap audio at the end (the director or whatever) was the lamest stuff ever. Wtf was CNN doing? I think the Kerry/Edwards ticket is a very VERY good option right now.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 30, 2004, 10:45 am

Speech wasn't good enough for me to vote non-libertarian. Kerry made a lot of the usual promises that Democrats love to make but he didn't say how he planned to pay for them. Taxing the top 2% is not going to raise enough money for all of his programs. That 2% will just find another tax loophole to use that they have all along. Kerry tries to act like a middle class hard worker but he is up there with that 2% and I don't see him cutting his own throat on taxes. I personally don't consider $200,000 a year that big of an income. If you live in LA or NY it is very low because of the cost of living.

That being said Kerry will almost always be a better option than Bush but I will still vote Libertarian on principle.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 30, 2004, 11:04 am

Imho only a fool would go in detail at this point in time. You need to keep some things under lock until the debates closer to the election or you give your opponent too much time to prepare for everything.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 30, 2004, 11:16 am

Thess wrote:I watched the majority of the democratic convention on c-span. I absolutely despise watching politics on any other station.

The Daily Show did a great job of covering the convention.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 30, 2004, 11:22 am

Kelshara wrote:Speech was good but the crap audio at the end (the director or whatever) was the lamest stuff ever. Wtf was CNN doing? I think the Kerry/Edwards ticket is a very VERY good option right now.

yeah the audio messup on CNN was kind of embarrassing. but that being said, i think they tried to do some different coverage things (actually having their team on the floor instead of up in a skybox), and you can criticize it, or you can think its cool. but there were some technical glitches that hopefully won't be repeated in late August.

I think Kelshara is right about the details thing. Most of us who read this board are political junkies to some degree. So we are familiar with what the issues are, and the ones that are important we want to hear details on. the point of the speech though was to nationally "brand" John Kerry to a narrow band of swing voters, many of which are just starting to pay attention to the election now.

most of us already have pretty solidly formed opinions on who we are voting for, and that is why we paid attention to the primary process, etc, and we've had the intro. so we are going to want more than another intro. i think though the speech really accomplished its goals.

to reply to Adex's "Kerrygasm" comment, i actually thought CNN's coverage was very balanced. Within 30 seconds of the DNC Producer saying "where are the fucking balloons!!", Ed Gillespie was basically allowed to give a long response to Kerry's speech (he is the head of the RNC). I thought Judy WOodruff and Jeff Greenfield pounced right on the fact that Kerry's speech was thin on his senate record. Obviously, I'm biased though

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i am eagerly awaiting the overnights, i'm sure we won the week among cable nets (had a substantial lead already), but i have a pipe dream that we might be able to approach one of the broadcast networks numbers. anyway, next stop NYC!

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » July 30, 2004, 11:30 am

Bah, they were down there on the floor caught up in the mass euphoria right after Kerry left the crowd pumped up.

I'm sure CNN calmed down after the speech buzz dissipated.

Of course I wasn't watching by then.

Heh, Medival Total War, those damn Mongols invaded my Russian colonies about 5 minutes after Kerry's speech.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » July 30, 2004, 11:51 am

Didn't watch it last night but had a chance to read it this morning. Didn't care for it all. A lot of lousy policy proposals in there.

Not that I think Bush is any better. This election has pretty much seemed like a contest as to which one of them can annoy me more.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 30, 2004, 12:50 pm

Voronwë wrote: to reply to Adex's "Kerrygasm" comment, i actually thought CNN's coverage was very balanced. Within 30 seconds of the DNC Producer saying "where are the fucking baloons!!", Ed Gillespie was basically allowed to give a long response to Kerry's speech (he is the head of the RNC). I thought Judy WOodruff and Jeff Greenfield pounced right on the fact that Kerry's speech was thin on his senate record. Obviously, I'm biased though .

I actually thought CNN was FOX for awhile after the speech ended. The audio mixup which should have been cut off after the guy kept saying "damn balloons". It went on another minute or two until he said "what the fuck are you guys doing up there?" and actually lasted a little longer after that. I want heads to roll on this one Voro!

The very next speaker as you said, was a republican and he played down the speech. After that, we had one fanatical democrat that said it was an outstanding speech and then the rest of the show was balloons getting in the way of the CNN people while they were saying things like "It's hard to believe Kerry had nothing to say about his time in the senate"

For CNN supposedly being slanted left, I thought it went well.

Lets get those audio glitches fixed before the republican convention Voro and keep your people off the floor as at the end of the republican convention THE BALLOONS WILL FALL!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 30, 2004, 12:58 pm

HEZZBOLAH

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 30, 2004, 12:59 pm

Deward wrote: Kerry made a lot of the usual promises that Democrats love to make but he didn't say how he planned to pay for them.

Well we already know the current admin can't and doesn't.

I personally don't consider $200,000 a year that big of an income. If you live in LA or NY it is very low because of the cost of living.

A $200,000 household income isn't a terribly high watermark, but for an individual, it is. Very few people in a corporate environment earn more than that, even in Manhattan. Most doctors don't earn that, most lawyers don't, etc etc. Most of those exceed 100k pretty easily but there's a huge dropoff before reaching 200k.

However, there's nothing really libertarian about either candidate so I can see someone who has that leaning woldn't be dissuaded by either of them.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » July 30, 2004, 12:59 pm

If the economy remains strong, Bush wins. If it falters, he loses. I believe it is going to continue to improve.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 30, 2004, 1:00 pm

remains strong?

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » July 30, 2004, 1:01 pm

Winnow wrote:
Voronwë wrote: to reply to Adex's "Kerrygasm" comment, i actually thought CNN's coverage was very balanced. Within 30 seconds of the DNC Producer saying "where are the fucking baloons!!", Ed Gillespie was basically allowed to give a long response to Kerry's speech (he is the head of the RNC). I thought Judy WOodruff and Jeff Greenfield pounced right on the fact that Kerry's speech was thin on his senate record. Obviously, I'm biased though .
I actually thought CNN was FOX for awhile after the speech ended. The audio mixup which should have been cut off after the guy kept saying "damn balloons". It went on another minute or two until he said "what the fuck are you guys doing up there?" and actually lasted a little longer after that. I want heads to roll on this one Voro!

The very next speaker as you said, was a republican and he played down the speech. After that, we had one fanatical democrat that said it was an outstanding speech and then the rest of the show was balloons getting in the way of the CNN people while they were saying things like "It's hard to believe Kerry had nothing to say about his time in the senate"

For CNN supposedly being slanted left, I thought it went well.

Lets get those audio glitches fixed before the republican convention Voro and keep your people off the floor as at the end of the republican convention THE BALLOONS WILL FALL!

Did you see the "Republican View" from a black guy from the New York Post (I believe that was the paper)? I was busy dying again in game but I thought he said "I just listened to a speech from the next president" or something to that effect. Seemed very odd but I wasn't paying close attention.

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » July 30, 2004, 1:12 pm

Does anyone else notice lately that if a senator has cut any defense bill, he's put into a group with terrorists? Disregard that we spend like what 1/3 on military equipment.[/shadow][/code]

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 30, 2004, 1:16 pm

Forthe wrote:
Did you see the "Republican View" from a black guy from the New York Post (I believe that was the paper)? I was busy dying again in game but I thought he said "I just listened to a speech from the next president" or something to that effect. Seemed very odd but I wasn't paying close attention.

That guy couldn't hear the questions due to the noise. He did say something like it was a good speech but not the best he's ever heard.

Kerry said he was going to reform our intelligence services in his speech which I thought was a bad move. It's probably a good idea but I wouldn't say that in a speech. The general public doesn't know what's going on with them anyway so it only gets the spooks agitated and possibly on your bad side.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 30, 2004, 1:26 pm

Chidoro wrote:remains strong?

hmmm...could cut the prime rate down to 0.001% before the election to make the stock market look good for a bit!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 30, 2004, 1:51 pm

GDP growth for Q2 was 20% lower than analyst expectations (3% v. 3.6%).

that is still growth, but hardly "the best economy in US history" that you hear surrogates for the White House saying in their talking points. I'm sure that will be dropped from the rhetoric today.

As for $200,000 /yr, i'll gladly pay higher taxes for that salary

. moreover, nobody who makes $500K actually pays 37% of that in income taxes. Accountants have jobs for a reason

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 30, 2004, 1:57 pm

There are huge law practices entirely devoted to the hiding of money in offshore tax havens.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 30, 2004, 2:47 pm

Voronwë wrote:moreover, nobody who makes $500K actually pays 37% of that in income taxes. Accountants have jobs for a reason

That was tongue-in-cheek, yes? My father pays something like 48% in state and federal taxes. And not only does he have an accountant, he works for an accounting software company! =P

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 30, 2004, 3:31 pm

i was more probably talking out my ass than tongue in cheek.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » July 30, 2004, 5:47 pm

CNN is horrible - putting Ralph Reid on first after John Edwards speech?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 30, 2004, 6:02 pm

yeah and my voodoo doll of him appears to not be working.

but in all seriousness, that guy is a walking, talking pile of shit

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 31, 2004, 1:10 am

Deward wrote:Speech wasn't good enough for me to vote non-libertarian. Kerry made a lot of the usual promises that Democrats love to make but he didn't say how he planned to pay for them. Taxing the top 2% is not going to raise enough money for all of his programs. That 2% will just find another tax loophole to use that they have all along. Kerry tries to act like a middle class hard worker but he is up there with that 2% and I don't see him cutting his own throat on taxes. I personally don't consider $200,000 a year that big of an income. If you live in LA or NY it is very low because of the cost of living.

That being said Kerry will almost always be a better option than Bush but I will still vote Libertarian on principle.

Im libertarian myself, but i dont like this canidate enough to vote for him, at these times none the less. He seems to be anti abortion and have a few other socially regressive views, also hes against free trade, fuck this guy

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » August 1, 2004, 8:21 am

Thing I most took out of his speach, and what I find most important, is that he is not, in fact, George Bush. I think this gives him a huge advantge over his adversary and as long as he can keep hammering home the point that the other guy, and not him, is George Bush, he should do well in November.

Animale · Post by **Animale** » August 1, 2004, 9:50 am

Xzion,

Just a quick note... Kerry isn't anti-abortion. He has almost been denied communion (he's catholic) because of his pro-choice views and votes.

Animale