Bush in 04?

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » January 14, 2004, 1:58 am

I don't think this particular poll has ever been done here. So, do you want Bush to serve another term?

I'm going to vote yes obviously

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Mplor · Post by **Mplor** » January 14, 2004, 2:58 am

It's a tie so far. Let's ask the Supreme Court!

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 14, 2004, 3:36 am

Given the largely liberal and/or international audience this board caters to.. I would have thought it would be blatantly obvious that a poll like this would weigh heavily against Bush.

So other than the obvious "it's never been done before" remark, what exactly is the point of this poll?

EDIT: Not that I mean offense, just curious is all... I read it after I posted it and realized it could have been taken as being rude or harsh, which was not my intent.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 14, 2004, 4:12 am

Pahreyia wrote:Given the largely liberal and/or international audience this board caters to.. I would have thought it would be blatantly obvious that a poll like this would weigh heavily against Bush.

the poll isn't 'are you going to vote for bush' you fucking schmendrick. whether or not someone supports him or not they can still predict an election.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 14, 2004, 4:43 am

Why did I click on this thread?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 14, 2004, 5:12 am

Bush will be re-elected. Who's going to beat him? Dean? lol

If you're a democrat, prepare yourself for the 2008 Hillary circus. Hillary would have run this year but she unfortunately has anough brains or smart advisors and knows there's no chance.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » January 14, 2004, 5:46 am

Democrats are killing themselves. They are tearing eachother apart making none of them look like good candidates, its the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. By the time one of them has to face Bush alone, he will have lost a ton of potential Democratic voters. The candidates would probably all agree that any of them would be better than Bush. If they would just realize that they need to make some sacrifices and stick together to defeat Bush it could actually happen, but it's not.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 14, 2004, 7:38 am

i disagree Kev.

i also think in about 3 weeks we are going to have a totally different picture. Honestly Dean could be out of the picture by next month. He could also be the only man standing after sweeping through a couple of states.

Say what you want about Dean, but he is raising money, and he's raising it from individual voters. Whether people donating to an internet site will translate to people turning out at the polls to support him is a totally different thing though.

I think John Edwards could definitely be on the upswing.

And if Clark comes in 2nd in New Hampshire then he could really become a force in the election.

Gephardt will be around for a little while - for no other reason than to stroke his ego - but outside of Iowa he isn't doing well.

I think Kerry has shown that his is incapable of getting a good campaign going. He had some amount of potential, but he simply doesn't have it. I don't think he's done a good job of representing himself at all. I mean what is his candidacy about? OUtside of takign shots at Dean.

Lieberman, Kucinich, Sharpton, Brawn, thanks for playing.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 14, 2004, 8:05 am

Keverian FireCry wrote:Democrats are killing themselves. They are tearing eachother apart making none of them look like good candidates, its the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. By the time one of them has to face Bush alone, he will have lost a ton of potential Democratic voters. The candidates would probably all agree that any of them would be better than Bush. If they would just realize that they need to make some sacrifices and stick together to defeat Bush it could actually happen, but it's not.

I prefer the democratic way of doing things by actually going after each other on the issues rather than the GOP way of doing things, which is usally shady back room deals where the real power players select their next king based on who's whitest and had the richest family.

When the democrats pick a candidate from the primaries the rest will rally around him. Except for maybe Ghephardt who is a perrenial loser anyway.

Kerry doesn't have the charisma to run an effective campaign IMO.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 14, 2004, 8:08 am

I voted no.

Worst. President. Ever!

(Ok, maybe not the worst. But pretty damn close!)

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » January 14, 2004, 10:20 am

I'm going to respond to this after the caucases. =\

Legenae · Post by **Legenae** » January 14, 2004, 12:10 pm

No.

I really really hope he doesn't get re-elected.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » January 14, 2004, 12:46 pm

I am sure I will get flamed for this but can I ask why everyone is so infatuated with Dean?

He seems to have a almost Bush-like penchant for speaking before thinking. He has backpedalled on several issues already. One example being his letter to Clinton asking the President to send troops to help in Bosnia, yet now he is very outspoken about the US sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have yet to decide what I am doing in 2004, but this whole Dean movement baffles me.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 14, 2004, 12:50 pm

Pahreyia wrote:Given the largely liberal and/or international audience this board caters to.. I would have thought it would be blatantly obvious that a poll like this would weigh heavily against Bush.

So other than the obvious "it's never been done before" remark, what exactly is the point of this poll?

EDIT: Not that I mean offense, just curious is all... I read it after I posted it and realized it could have been taken as being rude or harsh, which was not my intent.

actually you are totally incorrect to assume this board is "largely liberal"

after the last congressional election in '02 i made a poll asking how people voted with like 5 choices. The largest group was pure Republican ticket. THe second was mostly Republican, but some independent. Then mostly Democrat coming in 3rd.

now obviously that's not a scientific poll, but it is a lot more scientific than you just having an off the cuff opinion. THere are some people here who are pretty vocal about their opinions who may appear more liberal than you. But also some people are so conservative, they thing moderates are liberal.

I know for the staunch-Bush supporters, it is hard to believe anything he has done could alienate support, but there will be some people who like him less now than they did in 2000. I'd be very surprised if he lost. None of the Democratic candidates has yet to show themselves as a real rival yet. But we are also early in the process. Dean may have peaked too soon though, but maybe he hasn't peaked yet.

Tyek, because Dean supported Bosnia, why does that have anything to do with his position on Iraq? they are completely unrelated. Because you supported going in to Iraq do i assume you support the same in Iran, Syria, North Korea, Libya, Liberia, etc?

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » January 14, 2004, 1:05 pm

The dems look like a monkey trying to fuck a football right now. The election is just months away now.

As much as it pains me to say it, we are stuck with Bush for another 4 years.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » January 14, 2004, 1:21 pm

I won't vote Democrat because they have all said they are going to raise taxes again. I want to keep the money I earn. If a candidate came forward and declared he would shrink goverment then I would vote for him. Oh wait that would be Libertarian candidates. They don't have a chance of winning but I vote on principal, not the lesser of two evils theory.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » January 14, 2004, 1:30 pm

It's too early to say whether a Democrat has a chance or not. Last I heard, Bush would only beat Dean by 15% in an election. That can easily be widdled away in 10 months.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » January 14, 2004, 1:34 pm

Deward wrote:I won't vote Democrat because they have all said they are going to raise taxes again. I want to keep the money I earn. If a candidate came forward and declared he would shrink goverment then I would vote for him. Oh wait that would be Libertarian candidates. They don't have a chance of winning but I vote on principal, not the lesser of two evils theory.

The money to pay off this debt we have has to come from somewhere.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 14, 2004, 1:38 pm

what debt?

i'm not listening!!

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 14, 2004, 1:40 pm

Voronwë wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:Given the largely liberal and/or international audience this board caters to.. I would have thought it would be blatantly obvious that a poll like this would weigh heavily against Bush.

So other than the obvious "it's never been done before" remark, what exactly is the point of this poll?

EDIT: Not that I mean offense, just curious is all... I read it after I posted it and realized it could have been taken as being rude or harsh, which was not my intent.
actually you are totally incorrect to assume this board is "largely liberal"

after the last congressional election in '02 i made a poll asking how people voted with like 5 choices. The largest group was pure Republican ticket. THe second was mostly Republican, but some independent. Then mostly Democrat coming in 3rd.

now obviously that's not a scientific poll, but it is a lot more scientific than you just having an off the cuff opinion. THere are some people here who are pretty vocal about their opinions who may appear more liberal than you. But also some people are so conservative, they thing moderates are liberal.

I know for the staunch-Bush supporters, it is hard to believe anything he has done could alienate support, but there will be some people who like him less now than they did in 2000. I'd be very surprised if he lost. None of the Democratic candidates has yet to show themselves as a real rival yet. But we are also early in the process. Dean may have peaked too soon though, but maybe he hasn't peaked yet.

Yes, my original post was stated as an off the cuff opinion, however it was based on having read several hundred posts in this forum relating to either Bush, any of the Dems and/or the election. I felt that it was justified to say that by and large, this board hosts more liberally minded individuals than conservatives, at least in those who speak out.

I didn't want to reply so early, however, seeing as the poll is 13/30 against Bush as of 10 hours after my post, I feel pretty good about saying that I was right to begin with and wasn't at all unjustified in asking the purpose of the poll.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 14, 2004, 1:45 pm

He seems to have a almost Bush-like penchant for speaking before thinking.

If it were the other way around, would Bush be considered mute?

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » January 14, 2004, 1:50 pm

I am a radical libritarian that has voted republican in every election I could with the single exception of voting for Clinton over Bush I.

"No new Taxes." (Well except all these new taxes I am signing into law not one month after I am elected) made Bush I one of the worst president's I can remember. It is possible that he was cast into an overly dark shadow when compared to the glowing light that was Ronald Regan - America's greatest president ever. However, even without that comparison, I am sure I would not have voted Bush I a second time. Bush II makes Bush I look like a blessing.

Bush II is everything that is wrong about republicans with none (or almost none - his tax programs have been ok - not stellar like RR, but ok) of what makes Republican's so right (pun intended). Civil liberties for US citizens are at their lowest since McCarthy. Big Govenment is at an all time largese. Spending on social programs is at an all time high. To top it all off, the guy is a religious nut.

There is not a chance in hell I would vote for this guy. I'd rather have the most bleeding heart liberal you can find. Hell, I'd rather have a pandering opportunist like Al Sharpton, than this guy. There is no one person who has done a greater disservice to America than GBW and his anti-privacy, big spending, bible thumping administration

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » January 14, 2004, 2:04 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:Given the largely liberal and/or international audience this board caters to.. I would have thought it would be blatantly obvious that a poll like this would weigh heavily against Bush.
the poll isn't 'are you going to vote for bush' you fucking schmendrick. whether or not someone supports him or not they can still predict an election.

The poll is "Do you think Bush SHOULD be elected in 04."
NOT
"Do you think Bush WILL be elected in 04."
you fucking schmendrick.

GO BUSH GO!!!!!!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 14, 2004, 4:10 pm

Pahreyia wrote:[Yes, my original post was stated as an off the cuff opinion, however it was based on having read several hundred posts in this forum relating to either Bush, any of the Dems and/or the election. I felt that it was justified to say that by and large, this board hosts more liberally minded individuals than conservatives, at least in those who speak out.

Yes because its a scientific fact that people are just as likely to post positive things about the president out of the blue on forums as they are to complain.

People like you just like to whine about how everything is controlled by the liberals instead of having to use your brain.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 14, 2004, 4:23 pm

Polls like this don't accurately reflect the way things will go. You'll get the "grass is always greener somewhere else" crowd that will be upset with any president....it's always the presidents fault!

I'd wager that most of the people saying Bush shouldnt be re-elected don't have a clue who should. This whole election business is a waste of time every 4 years and should be changed to 6 years or 8 years with no re-election possible. That way the current president can spend his full term concentrating on his job and some other bafoon can crank up his/her campaign for the party the last year of the term.

No president should serve more than 2 terms for sure. The stress involved would make even Anna Kornikova's face look like Mother Teresa's right before she keeled over after a single term.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 14, 2004, 4:58 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:[Yes, my original post was stated as an off the cuff opinion, however it was based on having read several hundred posts in this forum relating to either Bush, any of the Dems and/or the election. I felt that it was justified to say that by and large, this board hosts more liberally minded individuals than conservatives, at least in those who speak out.
Yes because its a scientific fact that people are just as likely to post positive things about the president out of the blue on forums as they are to complain.

People like you just like to whine about how everything is controlled by the liberals instead of having to use your brain.

Hardly the case. It's fairly clear to anyone who frequents these boards that a majority of the people who post regularly in this forum are of a much more liberal mindset, and largely do not support GWB.

Mostly, I like to whine about how topics like this bring out the minibus liberals who will attack the person instead of the point when something is contested in this forum.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 14, 2004, 5:07 pm

First you say that it's hardly the case then you contradict yourself two sentences later by blaming it all on "the liberals."

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 14, 2004, 5:17 pm

if the election were to be held tomarrow with any democratic canidate bush would obviously win

but the way i see it, he still has over 6 months left to fuck up again, and knowing bush those are pretty reliable odds

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 14, 2004, 5:21 pm

kyoukan wrote:First you say that it's hardly the case then you contradict yourself two sentences later by blaming it all on "the liberals."

kyoukan wrote:People like you just like to whine about how everything is controlled by the liberals instead of having to use your brain.

pahreyia wrote:Mostly, I like to whine about how topics like this bring out the minibus liberals who will attack the person instead of the point when something is contested in this forum.

Hi Kyoukan, this link is special, just for you.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » January 14, 2004, 6:26 pm

Kyoukan, Paheryia has you here...I have no idea what you are trying to point out.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 14, 2004, 6:42 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:It is possible that he was cast into an overly dark shadow when compared to the glowing light that was Ronald Regan - America's greatest president ever.

at you, not with you

What's sad is that the only real issue I had w/ GWB 1 was his stance on abortion. And that was something he didn't even surface until his re-election attempt. And all you have to do to show how Jr. is merely a shadow of his pop is to look at his appointing Whitman to head up the environment. What a fucking joke in and of itself

Pah, just because people don't hold radical right views doesn't mean they are no longer conservative on all issues.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 14, 2004, 6:48 pm

I'm pointing typical conservative "hurr hurr liberal agenda" arguments instead of trying to logically make a point.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 14, 2004, 7:23 pm

Chidoro wrote:Pah, just because people don't hold radical right views doesn't mean they are no longer conservative on all issues.

God, no one reads anything anymore. I am not here to tell everyone how conservative or liberal they are here.

All I wanted to know was why Brotha started this poll when clearly the people who frequent this forum and post here with some diligence are more often than not expressing liberal ideals and anti-GWB posts.

That's all I wanted to know. I don't want to have to nitpick every fucking point or goddamn term I use. Everyone but Brotha, fuck off, I don't want to hear from you. The only response I want to hear is from Brotha, answering my question if he chooses to.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » January 15, 2004, 12:42 am

Pahreyia wrote:So other than the obvious "it's never been done before" remark, what exactly is the point of this poll?

Curiosity in general, but to be more specific I've always wondered if there were more Bush supporters here than it seems based on posts.

Anyone who espouses support for Bush is "ambushed" by the crowd of vehement Bush haters the moment they hit submit. It doesn't particularly bother me (not because I think I'm macho or anything, but because I don't put a lot of stock in what people I've never heard of on the internet say), but I can see where certain people wouldn't want to be subjected to that sort of thing.

Right now it's almost 2 to 1. I'm not going to tally up the posts but I'd be willing to bet that for every post showing support for Bush there's far more than 2 bashing him.

Hope that answers your question.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 15, 2004, 1:02 am

Sufficiently, thank you.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 15, 2004, 2:28 am

Winnow wrote:Polls like this don't accurately reflect the way things will go. You'll get the "grass is always greener somewhere else" crowd that will be upset with any president....it's always the presidents fault!

I'd wager that most of the people saying Bush shouldnt be re-elected don't have a clue who should.

The poll question is simply "Do you think Bush should be re elected in 04?"

That's it.

It's not coming up with a 2000 word essay on who else should be elected or why.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 15, 2004, 4:11 am

Aslanna wrote: The poll question is simply "Do you think Bush should be re elected in 04?"

That's it.

It's not coming up with a 2000 word essay on who else should be elected or why.

140 words!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 15, 2004, 6:25 am

It's fairly clear to anyone who frequents these boards that a majority of the people who post regularly in this forum are of a much more liberal mindset

Anyone who espouses support for Bush is "ambushed" by the crowd of vehement Bush haters the moment they hit submit

No that's just you because you seem to have no critical faculty whatsoever and just regurgitate what you're spoonfed.

I think the political split on this forum is pretty even. It just looks slanted towards the liberals because every time we really get down to the detail of political discussion/argument, "us liberals" kick your fucking arses every single time. That and a lot of the right-wingers here are so dense they realised they were out of their depth and ran off yelping only to return to take the occasional pot-shot at Kyoucan.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 15, 2004, 7:17 am

While you may be right Tanc, I really don't see the split between non-moderate conservatives and liberals being even close to 50/50. The conservatives may have a group that are weaker debaters, I won't deny that, but the number of further left liberals versus further right conservatives favors the liberals. I chose not to count moderate liberals and conservatives because by and large, they can go either way on most subjects and usually cross what are considered to be partisan lines.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 15, 2004, 8:22 am

Pahreyia wrote:That's all I wanted to know. I don't want to have to nitpick every fucking point or goddamn term I use. Everyone but Brotha, fuck off, I don't want to hear from you. The only response I want to hear is from Brotha, answering my question if he chooses to.

Then don't get into a cock fencing with someone else. Brotha answered you. Now you may, kindly, fuck off.

brego · Post by **brego** » January 15, 2004, 12:23 pm

WTF is this the bitch forum?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » January 15, 2004, 12:35 pm

WTF is this the bitch forum?

Yes. Bitch.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 15, 2004, 12:41 pm

Ever seen the movie Equilibrium? That's what I think of when I think of Bush in office. Should he get re-elected? No. Will he? Yes, unless the Dems can do something other than naysay, and put constructive plans on the table, he will win again.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » January 15, 2004, 3:04 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Pahreyia wrote:That's all I wanted to know. I don't want to have to nitpick every fucking point or goddamn term I use. Everyone but Brotha, fuck off, I don't want to hear from you. The only response I want to hear is from Brotha, answering my question if he chooses to.
Then don't get into a cock fencing with someone else. Brotha answered you. Now you may, kindly, fuck off.

I asked Brotha a question. Before he even had a chance to respond I had Kyoukan, Voro and you jumping all over my post because of an observation I made and terminology I used.

There came a point where I was tired of nitpicking over the small shit and defending my opinion based on observation. I wasn't looking to start shit. I wasn't looking to turn this into a 4 page flame fest. All I wanted was to hear a reply from Brotha as to why he made this poll. He's answered my question, for which I'm grateful.

Please don't attempt to escalate the cock fencing match as this thread has lost it's luster and I refuse to participate in it further.