Some numbers for Xbox Live Marketplace.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 19, 2006, 11:47 am

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6151492.html

Section of the Article wrote:Xbox 360 owners have been all over Xbox Live Marketplace, sucking up game demos, trailers, picture packs, themes, and music videos. During this year's E3, Microsoft offered up a free week of its gold membership to Xbox Live, as well as a boatload of content to download.

The public's response gave Microsoft's servers an unexpected stress test as 5 million downloads were completed last week, bringing the total to more than 24 million since the launch of the Xbox on November 22, 2005, according to Microsoft.

Here's the top 10 most downloaded items from E3 during the week

1. Halo 3 Game Trailer
2. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Free Playable Demo
3. Test Drive Unlimited Free Playable Demo
4. MotoGP '06 Free Playable Demo
5. X-Men: The Last Stand Pack
6. Gears of War Game Trailer
7. Call of Duty 2: Skirmish Map Pack
8. Spider-Man 3 Game Trailer
9. Fable 2 Trailer
10. Uno Xbox Live Arcade Game

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 19, 2006, 12:16 pm

2. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Free Playable Demo
3. Test Drive Unlimited Free Playable Demo

Those two demos were pretty fun.

Good luck Sony with any sort of online competition for Microsoft!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 19, 2006, 12:20 pm

I forgot I downloaded a bunch of stuff last week, including those demos. I will have to check it all out over the weekend.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 19, 2006, 12:27 pm

I've never downlaoded any sort of video through the marketplace since I don'th ave an HDTV. Hopefully soon that problem will be resolved.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 19, 2006, 8:40 pm

Winnow wrote:
2. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Free Playable Demo
3. Test Drive Unlimited Free Playable Demo
Those two demos were pretty fun.

Good luck Sony with any sort of online competition for Microsoft!

yeah it's going to be real hard to top the unbelievably worthless crap that microsoft has put up for content since launch.

OH COOL MORE KAMEO THEMES

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 19, 2006, 11:19 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Winnow wrote:
2. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Free Playable Demo
3. Test Drive Unlimited Free Playable Demo
Those two demos were pretty fun.

Good luck Sony with any sort of online competition for Microsoft!
yeah it's going to be real hard to top the unbelievably worthless crap that microsoft has put up for content since launch.

OH COOL MORE KAMEO THEMES

Who cares about the stupid themes. It's the free demos and solid multiplayer Live that are worthwhile. Way to not see what's important once again. You are the anti-clue of the gaming world. Themes...lol.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 19, 2006, 11:41 pm

FREE DEMOS HOLY JESUS that's new.

sony's online gaming service will be free. I guess that is online competition for microsoft?

it will also have, you know, original and exclusive games that don't suck.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 20, 2006, 7:39 am

kyoukan wrote:FREE DEMOS HOLY JESUS that's new.

sony's online gaming service will be free. I guess that is online competition for microsoft?

it will also have, you know, original and exclusive games that don't suck.

Which, until now count FF13 and MGS4. Not worth a 500-600$ peice of machinery.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 20, 2006, 11:04 am

Animalor wrote:
kyoukan wrote:it will also have, you know, original and exclusive games that don't suck.
Which, until now count FF13 and MGS4. Not worth a 500-600$ peice of machinery.

Dude... A BLU-RAY player! Under $1000! Hellloooo?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 20, 2006, 11:04 am

Wasn't their last attempt at an online service free too? Yeah, that was a REAL WINNER! lol

someone load up kyou a Blu Ray theme...for free!...well shell out 600.00 for the box first...then for FREE!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 20, 2006, 2:32 pm

I've already paid an extra $70 for xbox live, bringing the price I've paid for an Xbox 360 and the ability to play online up to $570 CDN ($463 in the US). By the time PS3 is released I will have paid $630 ($512). Yeah, and extra hundred dollars so I can play perfect dark zero (lol), Call of Duty 2 (free to play online with superior PC version), and a few racing games online. Or I guess I could log on and play co-cop kameo with the all of the NOBODY on there playing that.

Making fun of the price of PS3 and talking about playing online on 360 in the same thread is only weakening your already stupid argument. I realize explaining this to you won't help because you are a fucking idiot, but whatever.

Also making fun of a blu ray player where you will be forced to spend $100 for the 360 equivalent doesn't make any sense, but I'm sure in your enthusiastic rush to try and flame me you failed to consider that.

This is not to mention that even the "cheap" PS3 comes with a HDD, thereby not splitting their market up into two substantially different platforms and forcing game developers to design to the lowest common denominator or risk fragmenting their potential sales. Oh, want to play FFXI or any other MMORPG released on Xbox 360 and you only have Core? Another $99.99 please for a 20 GB HDD (btw, seagate 350 gig HDD on sale at newegg.com this weekend for $99.99, hahahah). WOW YOU ARE REALLY SAVING MONEY, XBOX 360 CONSUMER!

So I bought a Core edition 360 at launch. Oh, now I want a HD. $100 US please. Hey can I get a HD DVD player? $100 please. Xbox Live for a year? That will be $108 please. Oh I will need a headset to play online. $25 cha-ching! Wireless controller? That will be $50. Total retail price for that ultra cheap core edition you literally stole from best buy for the dirt cheap price of $300: $683, If I bought Premium: $608. Retail price of "cheap" PS3 that includes all of that plus it is a lot more powerful and backed by a stable of AAA developers: $500. If I want a bigger HD and HDMI support and if I am running a wireless network in my home (I want/have all of those things), I am still saving money. Plus developers can make whatever they want and not worry about half of their audience not being able to play it.

If you think a company like Sony is incapable of building a successful online gaming platform if they actually focus on it then you are even dumber than in my wildest fantasies about how dumb you are. And I have imagined you to be pretty fucking dumb.

There are already more games that I want on PS3 than games that I have combined with games that I want on 360. This is only going to get more lopsided when developers start dropping Microsoft again like they have leprosy, same as they did when first Xbox came out. Namco has already dropped Frame City Killer, their lone 360 exclusive. Capcom has said that all of their announced 360 games will appear on PS3 at or near launch (RE5, Dead Rising). Sony exclusives tend to stay exclusive for at least a year.

I actually like my 360. I just wish it had better games on it. So far almost all of the games I've bought for it have been dissappointing, other than TR Legends. Most of the 360's library are straight Xbox/PS2 ports with maybe higher resolution textures and HD support. The only games I can think of that I really want is Dead Rising and Gears of War, and _maybe_ Saint's Row.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 20, 2006, 5:13 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Animalor wrote:
kyoukan wrote:it will also have, you know, original and exclusive games that don't suck.
Which, until now count FF13 and MGS4. Not worth a 500-600$ peice of machinery.
Dude... A BLU-RAY player! Under $1000! Hellloooo?

There's an HD-DVD player addon coming out for the 360 that's gonna be less when bought with a new 360 than the PS3. Argument voided.

The HDD was, I agree with Kooky, a bonehead move. The smart thing would've been to put in a bigger HDD in the Premium and a 20GB one in the core.

As for online play, Sony didn't release a price for their online system. That doesn't mean there won't be a price to use it.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706090p1.html

The article wrote:The company plans to have basic services such as account management, ranking systems, voice rankings and more as their way of building a virtual society for PS3 owners. He goes on to say that all of these aspects are part of the basic service that you could expect for the PS3, and because they're a basic service, they will be provided free of charge.

The final topic of discussion was micro-transactions. Hirai explained that a variety of payment systems will be possible, and gamers can also buy PlayStation cards for their kids or as a gift in stores so they don't have to sign up for anything.

Sounds like Sony is pretty much going to run an online service that identical to XBox Live(less the tight integration to Windows Vista with Live Anywhere or the ability to play with the owners of the PC versions of games).

It's all going to be about exclusives again. MS is managing to get some of thse exclusive Sony contracts loosened (see GTA4). All they need to do now is crack Square/Enix and they will cement the foothold they need in Japan. Having a developer like Mistwalker Studios, putting out 360 exclusives like Blue Dragon and Lost Oddessy will certainly help their cause as well.

The war isn't even started yet. We should start getting a good picture of the battleground around the 2007 holiday season. I believe developers that have long been faithful to Sony will actually broaden their horizons and start publishing for the 360 as well.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 20, 2006, 5:46 pm

SCEA has already announced that online gaming on PS3 will be free.

Xbox cementing their foothold in Japan? What foothold? Xbox 360 is almost the laughing stock the original Xbox was. The only Japanese devs worth a shit making 360 games is Capcom and Team Ninja, and that is only because they dislike Sony.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 20, 2006, 7:31 pm

Animalor wrote:
Aslanna wrote: Dude... A BLU-RAY player! Under $1000! Hellloooo?
There's an HD-DVD player addon coming out for the 360 that's gonna be less when bought with a new 360 than the PS3. Argument voided.

If you'd seen my other post on the same topic you'd know that was sarcasm.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 20, 2006, 7:48 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Animalor wrote:
Aslanna wrote: Dude... A BLU-RAY player! Under $1000! Hellloooo?
There's an HD-DVD player addon coming out for the 360 that's gonna be less when bought with a new 360 than the PS3. Argument voided.
If you'd seen my other post on the same topic you'd know that was sarcasm.

Doh. Too many threads to keep up with!

Apologies to you.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 20, 2006, 8:22 pm

kyoukan wrote: Xbox cementing their foothold in Japan? What foothold? Xbox 360 is almost the laughing stock the original Xbox was. The only Japanese devs worth a shit making 360 games is Capcom and Team Ninja, and that is only because they dislike Sony.

Square Enix isn't worth a shit?

Wow...just wow. Your analysis rocks!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 20, 2006, 8:52 pm

haha oh yeah final fantasy xi. I must have missed out on that blockbuster. what other S/E franchaises are coming to the xbox 360 winnow?!?!

every time you post on this thread you look dumber and dumber.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 20, 2006, 8:54 pm

Here's an article detailing the work that MS is doing in Japan.
http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGrridLPNN04101549

It remains to be seen if it will actually help them out however.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 21, 2006, 4:43 am

kyoukan wrote:haha oh yeah final fantasy xi. I must have missed out on that blockbuster. what other S/E franchaises are coming to the xbox 360 winnow?!?!

every time you post on this thread you look dumber and dumber.

Not FFXI you idiot. Square Enix is making a new game for the 360. FFXI sucks worse than you do.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » May 21, 2006, 6:59 pm

this is the part where i jump in with 'OMG NINTENDO1!!!!~!'

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 21, 2006, 8:16 pm

Syenye wrote:this is the part where i jump in with 'OMG NINTENDO1!!!!~!'

I'm gonna be one of the many Wii60.

PSWii.

LOL It's work with everything! =P

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 21, 2006, 10:00 pm

Syenye wrote:this is the part where i jump in with 'OMG NINTENDO1!!!!~!'

Your opinion has a little more weight to it than ours in some areas atm as you've actually played around on the PS3 and Wii : )

I still think it's a huge mistake for Wii not to support 720P. Rumor has it that the Wii's were mock-ups at E3 and the graphics card is still being developed. Maybe it will have better graphics than we've seen so far.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » May 21, 2006, 11:19 pm

Winnow wrote:
Syenye wrote:this is the part where i jump in with 'OMG NINTENDO1!!!!~!'
Your opinion has a little more weight to it than ours in some areas atm as you've actually played around on the PS3 and Wii : )

I still think it's a huge mistake for Wii not to support 720P. Rumor has it that the Wii's were mock-ups at E3 and the graphics card is still being developed. Maybe it will have better graphics than we've seen so far.

I predict that you will buy a Wii, Winnow. You will play it more than your PS3, but you will claim that it collects dust and is a POS when used on your HD screen. Secretly, Nintendo games will bring a newfound joy to your life. The thought of "newfound" joy will lead you to find a warm spot in your heart for Kyoukan, which will lead to you apologizing for all past perceived slights. Her scorn will drive you to destroy the shiny white Wii in a fit of anger. Withdrawing into the dark comfort of your home theatre; you will hone your sniping skills on high res FPS PS3 games before buying a rifle and testing your skills on innocent college girls from a local church tower. When the police finally close in on your location, you will set off the high explosive you set up your perch finally ending your tragic life. Crime scene investigation will discover large quantities of burnt plastic and circuitry, which upon further investigation will be revealed as piles and piles of Nintendo Wiis, which you stole from all local retailers to take down with you in a blaze of glory. The publicity of your demise will provide free marketing and publicity for Nintendo, whose saavy PR team will drawn attention to the evils of Sony/Microsoft HD FPS games. Conservative Christian groups will unite to bring about a golden age of video games wherein happy, wholesome Nintendo games are played upon the resurgent black and white standard definition televisions that all manufactures are required to make for the US market.

Sad really because I think Sony and Microsoft both have great hardware coming out. Fucking Nintendo hardware.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 22, 2006, 4:28 am

If I secretly play with my Wii, I will live a long life because all the flailing around with the Wii controller will keep me physically fit unless a particularly wild controller swing causes me to slash my wrist on the edge of a future electronic gizmo that would have been prevented if I had bought that highly glossed and rounded edged Apple product that my grandma had seen on TV.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 22, 2006, 12:42 pm

SE is collaborating with Game Arts on an exclusive shooter for the 360. Thats a genre that they haven't been into before so its anyone's guess how that will pan out. Its hardly implying that SE is on board with Microsoft though.

As far as I know, the franchises that actually have significant fanbases are staying with Sony exclusively

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 22, 2006, 3:36 pm

square made einhander for the psx >_<

it was alright. honestly, most square-enix games suck. I like final fantasy and dragon quest games (sorta), and bushido blade 1 and 2 were awesome. oh, and parasite eve amd final fantasty tactics. hmm, all psx games.

I can't think of another square-enix title that I enjoyed.

there's no real reason to port any of their top tier games to 360. ms has sold like four 360's in japan, and anyone in the west who likes rpg's will have a ps3 anyway.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » May 22, 2006, 3:45 pm

Animalor wrote:
kyoukan wrote:FREE DEMOS HOLY JESUS that's new.

sony's online gaming service will be free. I guess that is online competition for microsoft?

it will also have, you know, original and exclusive games that don't suck.
Which, until now count FF13 and MGS4. Not worth a 500-600$ peice of machinery.

GT5 Bitch!!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 23, 2006, 11:38 am

kyoukan wrote:square made einhander for the psx >_<

it was alright. honestly, most square-enix games suck. I like final fantasy and dragon quest games (sorta), and bushido blade 1 and 2 were awesome. oh, and parasite eve amd final fantasty tactics. hmm, all psx games.

I can't think of another square-enix title that I enjoyed.

there's no real reason to port any of their top tier games to 360. ms has sold like four 360's in japan, and anyone in the west who likes rpg's will have a ps3 anyway.

Einhander ruled.

Here are a couple of facts I'm too lazy to debate:
1) X360 will never be a success in Japan.
2) Sony realize they seriously dropped the ball with PS2 online. For all my disparagement of the PS3 on the other thread their online strategy looks solid. Microsmug (zinglolz) better watch out.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 23, 2006, 1:31 pm

Winnow's hate-on for the PS3 and fanboi retardedness of the 360 are swaying me into wanting to get a PS3.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 23, 2006, 1:37 pm

miir wrote:Winnow's hate-on for the PS3 and fanboi retardedness of the 360 are swaying me into wanting to get a PS3.

Lol. I was thinking the same thing, but he was pretty spot-on about most of the Zen vs. iPod argument.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 23, 2006, 3:53 pm

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

Because clearly, Sony thinks highly of it's customers.

Sony Europe CEO wrote: "We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 23, 2006, 4:36 pm

Animalor wrote:http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

Because clearly, Sony thinks highly of it's customers.

Sony Europe CEO wrote: "We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"

Consumers that buy by brand name only or how cool the commericals are deserve what they get and how much they pay for it.

PS2 ruled! I'm buying a PS3 because PS2 ruled! I still own IBM and Xerox stock because they rule and nothing ever changes in this world!...oh wait...Microsoft PWNS both of those companies now! WHAT HAPPENED!!??!?! Is the Sony PS(x) rulez 4evah strategy fallible?? Could it be that companies don't stay on top 4evah? Riiiiidge Racer! Does ATi always have better cards than nVidia or vice versa?

The good news is that we need these sheep-people to keep things competitive between the actual good companies and the companies that sucker people in with fancy ads and lots of gloss.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 23, 2006, 4:45 pm

Animalor wrote:http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

Because clearly, Sony thinks highly of it's customers.

Sony Europe CEO wrote: "We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"

What he's basically saying is that consumers won't (and shouldn't) be concerned about developer support for the PS3 because Sony has shown time after time that their consoles get loads of great games.

So what if there will only be 12-15 titles available on release... the 360 had about the same number and that didn't stop Winnow from likening it to the second coming of christ.. or that it was the greatest thing since vibrating butt blugs.

So much hate

miir · Post by **miir** » May 23, 2006, 4:56 pm

Winnow wrote:Consumers that buy by brand name only or how cool the commericals are deserve what they get and how much they pay for it.

PS2 ruled! I'm buying a PS3 because PS2 ruled! I still own IBM and Xerox stock because they rule and nothing ever changes in this world!...oh wait...Microsoft PWNS both of those companies now! WHAT HAPPENED!!??!?! Is the Sony PS(x) rulez 4evah strategy fallible?? Could it be that companies don't stay on top 4evah? Riiiiidge Racer! Does ATi always have better cards than nVidia or vice versa?

The good news is that we need these sheep-people to keep things competitive between the actual good companies and the companies that sucker people in with fancy ads and lots of gloss.

Why do people generally buy consoles?
What is the deciding factor for 90% of the people who buy them?

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 23, 2006, 4:57 pm

i'm sure he meant very well with what he said, but there's no doubt that he said it the wrong way ;]

and xbox had a pretty weak release title list, but at least they didnt have to constantly push back deadlines. Thats why this is visible enough for them to feel like they need to say something. Investors and consumers see dates being pushed back all over the place and eyes are rolling. I think their ambition to have this thing out at around the same time as 360 is biting them in the ass harder now than if they'd just said "Rome wasnt built in a day" originally and gave themselves more comfortable deadlines.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 23, 2006, 5:09 pm

miir wrote:
Animalor wrote:http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

Because clearly, Sony thinks highly of it's customers.

Sony Europe CEO wrote: "We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"
What he's basically saying is that consumers won't (and shouldn't) be concerned about developer support for the PS3 because Sony has shown time after time that their consoles get loads of great games.

So what if there will only be 12-15 titles available on release... the 360 had about the same number and that didn't stop Winnow from likening it to the second coming of christ.. or that it was the greatest thing since vibrating butt blugs.

So much hate

Looking at his comment from a business angle, his comments are completely accurate and nothing really to be offended about.

They can also easily be miscontrued as "gamers are sheep and will pay anything we tell em to and they will hapily do it."

As Kooky mentioned above, MS is far from having the japanese market(they're selling less than the gamecube on a weekly basis atm) and I wouldn't be surprised that the PS3 had a bigger install base there on the first day than the 360 in the year of selling.

We'll see if Microsoft's June 29th Xbox 360 relaunch will help em out. Blue Dragon will be coming out near the PS3 launch in Japan as well which will hopefully give MS a boost as well.

Also, that new Square/Enix title coming to the 360 could be a hugh hit as well. We never know what could happen.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » May 23, 2006, 5:49 pm

wait what, i'm only paying 50 a year for xbox live?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 23, 2006, 6:14 pm

You're paying 180$ a year for <insert current MMO>.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 24, 2006, 6:16 am

Euro CEO of SCE talking crap like that is exactly why Sony is gonna take a hit on market share this time around. They are in serious danger of disappearing up their own arses.

That doesn't make Winnow's MS cockguzzling any less hilarious though.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 24, 2006, 10:42 am

vn_Tanc wrote:Euro CEO of SCE talking crap like that is exactly why Sony is gonna take a hit on market share this time around. They are in serious danger of disappearing up their own arses.

I wouldn't call it talking crap.
In the past when I've purchased a console the only deciding factor has been the selection of games available. I don't care about technology, price or which one get better reviews... I bought the one that had the most games that I liked.
The PS3 looks to continue that trend so there's no reason to believe that Sony is going to lose any sizeable marketshare to the Xbox 360.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 24, 2006, 11:17 am

miir wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:Euro CEO of SCE talking crap like that is exactly why Sony is gonna take a hit on market share this time around. They are in serious danger of disappearing up their own arses.
I wouldn't call it talking crap.
In the past when I've purchased a console the only deciding factor has been the selection of games available. I don't care about technology, price or which one get better reviews... I bought the one that had the most games that I liked.
The PS3 looks to continue that trend so there's no reason to believe that Sony is going to lose any sizeable marketshare to the Xbox 360.

You are proving what Tanc said. Re-read the quote from the sony guy. He is saying that you will buy the console if there are NO games for it. You are saying that you choose whether or not to buy a console based on the games for it.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 24, 2006, 11:22 am

Boogahz wrote:You are proving what Tanc said. Re-read the quote from the sony guy. He is saying that you will buy the console if there are NO games for it. You are saying that you choose whether or not to buy a console based on the games for it.

No, he's responding to the people who are saying that the PS3 won't sell shit because it will only have 12-15 titles on release.
What he is saying is that the PS3 has the best developer support and will have the best selection of games.

See, I actually found the full interview and read his comments in the proper context.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » May 25, 2006, 7:03 am

I was responding the quote from that article on this thread. Unless it's been altered I don't see much lee-way for misunderstanding.