Terrorists want Kerry to Win

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

By Borzou Daragahi
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 27, 2004

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BAGHDAD -- Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and the Americans will go home.
"If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, [Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John] Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people," said Mohammad Amin Bashar, a leader of the Muslim Scholars Association, a hard-line clerical group that vocally supports the resistance.
Resistance leader Abu Jalal boasted that the mounting violence had already hurt Mr. Bush's chances.
"American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together," he told a Fallujah-based Iraqi reporter. "We've got to work to change the election, and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."
Mowafaq Al-Tai, a London-educated architect and intellectual, said different types of resistance fighters have different views of the U.S. election.
The most pro-Kerry, he said, are the former Saddam Hussein loyalists -- Ba'ath Party members and others who think Washington might scale back its ambitions for Iraq if Mr. Kerry wins, allowing them to re-enter civic life.
The most pro-Bush, he said, are the foreign extremists. "They prefer Bush, because he's a provocative figure, and the more they can push people to the extreme, the better for their case."
Abu Jalal, answering questions submitted to him through the Iraqi journalist, devised a simple formula for how his group's attacks on American soldiers draw votes from Mr. Bush.
"They say there are 1,100 dead soldiers. That means 1,100 families hold grudges against Bush and hate him. There are 6,000 families whose sons were injured who hate Bush and will not re-elect him."
But even within the resistance, not all agree that removing Mr. Bush from office would make a difference.
"The nation of infidels is one, and Bush and Kerry are two faces of the same coin," said Abu Obeida, nom de guerre of a leader of Fallujah's al-Noor Jihadi regiment. "What is taken by force will be returned only by force, and we don't care what the results of the elections are."
Among ordinary Iraqis interested only in a return to peace and stability, there is far less clarity about what the American election might bring. Many, like 35-year-old bank branch manager Sahar Mahmoud, say they are bewildered by media reports about the nuances of polling, swing states and attack ads.
"It's a very big political game, and something that we are very far from," he said. "We are very tired people, and we're just emerging from a big crisis. So we can't imagine what other people are going through."
Zeydoon Mohamad Jassem Najar, a biology student at Baghdad University, simply shakes his head as the U.S. politicians argue over his country's fate.
"It's like everybody is looking out for their own interests and nobody is looking for the Iraqi people's interests," he said. "It's like a game of personal interests between Bush and the other guy."
Mr. Bashar, a professor at Baghdad's Islamic University, said he and many of those who oppose the U.S. presence in Iraq were rooting for Mr. Kerry.
"I think if Kerry wins, he's going to try to get world support and United Nations involvement," he said during an interview at Baghdad's Um al-Qura mosque. "You'll see a different situation in Iraq if the United Nations is involved."
But Nazar Judi, a 41-year-old money trader who had his right hand cut off by Saddam Hussein's security forces nine years ago, is squarely in the Bush camp.
"I prefer Bush over the other guy because he knows Iraq well," said Mr. Judi, who received a new prosthetic hand from the U.S. Army and was flown to Washington to meet Mr. Bush in person. "I hope he wins his election because he wants to modernize Iraq."
A photograph of the American president shaking Mr. Judi's prosthetic hand hangs on the wall of a back room at his Khademiya office. In the front room, however, are portraits of Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the vehemently anti-U.S. Iranian cleric, and his successor, Ali Khamenei, the current theocratic ruler of Iran.

Discuss.

[Bojangels]

BAGHDAD -- Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and the Americans will go home.

First of all, insurgents. They think if Kerry is elected all the soldiers are going home, that's pretty stupid. I guess they'll have more of a reason to hate us when we don't leave.

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The most pro-Bush, he said, are the foreign extremists. "They prefer Bush, because he's a provocative figure, and the more they can push people to the extreme, the better for their case."

These ones are the terrorists imo. Who really cares though? I value their opinions on American politicians as much as I value Europes.

[Kaldaur]

The most pro-Bush, he said, are the foreign extremists. "They prefer Bush, because he's a provocative figure, and the more they can push people to the extreme, the better for their case."

So the Iraqis fighting in their own country want Kerry to win so we'll pull out of Iraq. The actual terrorists that we are supposed to be fighting want Bush to win because he's raising recruitment all around the world. I don't know much to discuss, seems like the same thing I've been saying all along. Bush is helping raise terrorist enrollment levels.

[Sylvus]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE PLEASE START READING THE THINGS YOU QUOTE.

This article isn't even close to being a bash on Kerry, and I'm sure that's where you were going.

[Voronwë]

desperation propaganda

[Niffoni]

Don't we get three vetos of a discussion a month where we can just dismiss uncomfortable news as "another example of the lying liberal media", and pretend it never happened?

Oh, and has it occured to you that maybe they want to make a jackass out of Bush because, gee, I dunno, he bombed them?

And it's funny you called this topic "Terrorists want Kerry to win" when the article specifically states the exact opposite. Terrorists love Bush to peices. I guess you didn't read that part. Whoopsie-daisy!

But that's just the liberal media, I'm sure. It'll be fun watching Midnyte now come back and flame his own source as biased and unamerican.

[Marbus]

It says what many of us have been saying all along. The REAL terrorist want Bush in the White House because the "freak'o muslims" can use him to promote their cause. While the average Iraqi, muslim or not, would rather have Kerry because they think that they could get their country back... two fold. 1. Because it would decrease the number of freaks and 2. Because Kerry isn't hell bent on a crusade and might given them their country back.

Marb

[miir]

Midnyte, did you read the entire article?

[Wulfran]

And Axis of Evil member-in-good-standing, Iran, wants Bush to win. Whats your point, again?

[Forthe]

I have to give Midnyte some points here, he definitely owned Midnyte in that first post.

[Mawafu]

The most pro-Kerry, he said, are the former Saddam Hussein loyalists -- Ba'ath Party members and others who think Washington might scale back its ambitions for Iraq if Mr. Kerry wins, allowing them to re-enter civic life.

Based upon the quotes above it doesn't seem to matter who is elected. Terrorists for Bush, Saddam supporters for Kerry...no win situation.

[Sionistic]

Bah, I'll need to see a gallop poll before I beleive the sides