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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090526/sc ... britainchu
LONDON (AFP) – US Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Tuesday the Obama administration wanted to paint roofs an energy-reflecting white, as he took part in a climate change symposium in London.

The Nobel laureate in physics called for a "new revolution" in energy generation to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

But he warned there was no silver bullet for tackling climate change, and said a range of measures should be introduced, including painting flat roofs white.

Making roads and roofs a paler colour could have the equivalent effect of taking every car in the world off the road for 11 years, Chu said.

It was a geo-engineering scheme that was "completely benign" and would keep buildings cooler and reduce energy use from air conditioning, as well as reflecting sunlight back away from the Earth.

For people who found white hard on the eye, scientists had also developed "cool colours" which looked to the human eye like normal ones, but reflect heat like pale colours even if they are darker shades.

And painting cars in cool or light colours could deliver considerable savings on energy use for air conditioning units, he said.

Speaking at the start of a symposium on climate change hosted by the Prince of Wales and attended by more than 20 Nobel laureates, Chu said fresh thinking was required to cut the amount of carbon created by power generation.

He said: "The industrial revolution was a revolution in the use of energy. It offloaded from human and animal power into using fossil fuels.

"We have to go to a different new revolution that can severely decrease the amount of carbon emissions in the generation of energy."

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i'd rather this than cap and trade, carbon credits, or the l.o.t.s treaty...
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This is nothing new. It's a simple fact that painting the exterior of a house, including the roof a light reflecting color keeps it cooler. Mediterraneans have been doing this for many hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Keeping the house cooler using natural methods means you have to spend less energy to cool the house. That's a good thing, whether you believe that human-caused global warming is occurring or not. It's one of hundreds of small steps that we should explore for improving our energy efficiency. I fail to see why this is bothering you.
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That Steven Chu fellow must be a real idiot. I heard he previously suggested cooling atoms using lasers.
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What exactly is your problem here, except for reacting to anything regarding more efficient energy usage with some pridefully ignorant level of disdain and disbelief?

Oh boy, they used the words "climate" and "change" so all of their opinions and suggestions, no matter how potentially helpful, are completely invalidated.

You don't "believe" in global warming? That's fine. That's irrelevant.

I hope despite that fact that you can at least appreciate and see the usefulness in becoming somewhat more efficient and conservative in terms of energy consumption as a whole, and since painting roofs white isn't exactly threatening to your way of life, I fail to see how in impacts you in any way at all or why you would choose to react negatively to such a seemingly benign suggestion. Other than a deep-seeded fear of anything that could be "liberal propaganda," what exactly makes you so opposed to being more energy efficient? Can it really HURT to do so?
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I hear terrorists paint their roofs white.
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Jesus Kilmoll. Do you think there's an anti-climate change button that we have to build, and until we have completed this uber technology, we can't take any steps to combat climate change? Who cares if it sounds silly. If it works, it works, and I'm for it. I'd rather they take a thousand small steps towards energy efficiency than wait for one big boom to suddenly make us efficient.
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Congrats Kilmoll, you are now the whiniest little bitch in the history of VV.
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miir wrote:Congrats Kilmoll, you are now the whiniest little bitch in the history of VV.
I think there are still a few worse...
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Boogahz wrote:I think there are still a few worse...
If it ain't Kilmoll, it's probably you.
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Spang wrote:
Boogahz wrote:I think there are still a few worse...
If it ain't Kilmoll, it's probably you.

wow, funny
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Boogahz wrote:wow, funny
No. True.
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Spang wrote:
Boogahz wrote:wow, funny
No. True.
you've been channelling Cartalas well lately.
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Boogahz wrote:you've been channelling Cartalas well lately.
I rarely say cunt.
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Boogahz wrote:
Spang wrote:
Boogahz wrote:wow, funny
No. True.
you've been channelling Cartalas well lately.
You've been channeling Midnyte well lately.
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Spang wrote:
Boogahz wrote:you've been channelling Cartalas well lately.
I rarely say cunt.
and I almost included that you just haven't called Aslanna a cunt yet!
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Do you realize the cost and scope of painting all the roads white? We can't even keep the roads repaired and now some idiot wants to paint them. How are you going to federally enforce property owners to paint their roofs? Are te taxpayers going to foot that bill too? How about they mandate every individual purchase an electric car by the end of the year too?
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I think we should work to reduce hot air emissions from reactionary douchebags.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Do you realize the cost and scope of painting all the roads white?
They're not gonna paint the roads white, you shithead.
Are you fucking retarded?
Seriously...
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Do you realize the cost and scope of painting all the roads white? We can't even keep the roads repaired and now some idiot wants to paint them. How are you going to federally enforce property owners to paint their roofs? Are te taxpayers going to foot that bill too? How about they mandate every individual purchase an electric car by the end of the year too?
Or wait, hey, how about this: instead of painting all roads white (duh), how about using a paving material that reflects the sun on newly paved /repaved roads? Why do you always envision such big brother-esque consequences to this shit? It doesn't seem to matter whether it's concealed carry laws, light bulbs, tarmac technology or tomatoes.
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Roads weren't even mentioned once...or did I miss that?

My only "concern" with this plan is with whatever would be used to paint the each roof. Aren't many/most paints oil-based?
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Making roads and roofs a paler colour could have the equivalent effect of taking every car in the world off the road for 11 years, Chu said.
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miir wrote:
Making roads and roofs a paler colour could have the equivalent effect of taking every car in the world off the road for 11 years, Chu said.
hehe, I even did a search for "roads" and the first result was kilmoll's post. /fail
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While I'm all for energy saving ideas I can't really say I'd be for roads that reflect sun. Last thing we need is for people on their cell phones to now be blinded from reflected light as well.
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Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
Making roads and roofs a paler colour could have the equivalent effect of taking every car in the world off the road for 11 years, Chu said.
hehe, I even did a search for "roads" and the first result was kilmoll's post. /fail
orly?

I did a search for "paint roads white" and came up with tons of hits..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522411,00.html
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Paint them white. White like sheep!

First steps toward socialism, dehumanization...next suggestion will be for everyone to wear the same white uniform.
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For the record, I am not against being environmentally sound. Doing ridiculously expensive and absurd things like this is not the way to start. I am waiting for them to outlaw swimming pools and yard watering next. This might be a good way to eliminate Arizona and Nevada though. Maybe they can pass a federal law outlawing neon signs in Vegas.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
Making roads and roofs a paler colour could have the equivalent effect of taking every car in the world off the road for 11 years, Chu said.
hehe, I even did a search for "roads" and the first result was kilmoll's post. /fail
orly?

I did a search for "paint roads white" and came up with tons of hits..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522411,00.html
Google for: "paint roads white" - Results 1 - 10 of about 82 for "paint roads white". (0.27 seconds)

Google for: paint roads white - Results 1 - 10 of about 12,900,000 for paint roads white. (0.24 seconds)

NB, there's a big difference between those two searches.

NNB, just because some tool paraphrases your theory doesn't mean you said it.
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I did not use quotes in my search. I used quotes on here to differentiate my search terms from my post. Way to nitpick and have no valid input.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:For the record, I am not against being environmentally sound. Doing ridiculously expensive and absurd things like this is not the way to start. I am waiting for them to outlaw swimming pools and yard watering next. This might be a good way to eliminate Arizona and Nevada though. Maybe they can pass a federal law outlawing neon signs in Vegas.


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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Do you realize the cost and scope of painting all the roads white? We can't even keep the roads repaired and now some idiot wants to paint them. How are you going to federally enforce property owners to paint their roofs? Are te taxpayers going to foot that bill too? How about they mandate every individual purchase an electric car by the end of the year too?
Or wait, hey, how about this: instead of painting all roads white (duh), how about using a paving material that reflects the sun on newly paved /repaved roads? Why do you always envision such big brother-esque consequences to this shit? It doesn't seem to matter whether it's concealed carry laws, light bulbs, tarmac technology or tomatoes.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I did not use quotes in my search. I used quotes on here to differentiate my search terms from my post. Way to nitpick and have no valid input.
Well, then perhaps do you understand how a search on a term like "white", "paint", or "roads" might have a "tons" of hits?

Sure, I may be a pedant, but you don't advance your argument by failing to use a tool then claiming it points to something. Hell, you can get 166,000 hits on: panda stripper sex

There's even 8,620 hits on: george bush panda stripper sex

so clearly, George has been hitting that.

OH, and just to be clear, my "valid input" is debunking your google related "science".
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Regardless, the idea of coloring roads white is ancillary to the primary energy conservation step of painting roofs or using light colored roofing materials. The junk science guy quoted in the FNC article you linked seems to have missed an important point. The idea here is to reduce the amount of energy needed to cool buildings and automobiles, thus reducing greenhouse emissions generated by air conditioning those things. The primary goal is not to reduce global warming by reflecting light away from the planet's surface. This guy is an FNC personality, attorney and a former lobbyist, not a scientist, and he is a shill for corporate interests such as tobacco and corporate-backed climate change scepticism. Only on Fox News does one individual such as this constitute puzzled climate change expertS. In fact, he's neither an expert or puzzled. He knows exactly what his mission is.
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Spang wrote:I rarely say cunt.
Aslanna wrote:You've been channeling Midnyte well lately.
You guys truly are made for each other.
As are you and Kilmoll. Your constant flirting with him is rather embarrassing.
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Zaelath wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I did not use quotes in my search. I used quotes on here to differentiate my search terms from my post. Way to nitpick and have no valid input.
Well, then perhaps do you understand how a search on a term like "white", "paint", or "roads" might have a "tons" of hits?

Sure, I may be a pedant, but you don't advance your argument by failing to use a tool then claiming it points to something. Hell, you can get 166,000 hits on: panda stripper sex

There's even 8,620 hits on: george bush panda stripper sex

so clearly, George has been hitting that.

OH, and just to be clear, my "valid input" is debunking your google related "science".

Just shut the fuck up already. You know as well as I do that putting in a fucking search came up with more valid fucking hits than just my post. Fuck you. You do realize that my disdain for you and the rest of the asshattery from this place has made this entire board pretty much worthless. It is complete retardation like this that makes me sad that liberals exist and of course since this is the liberal board I think I am done here. Useless idiots.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Just shut the fuck up already. You know as well as I do that putting in a fucking search came up with more valid fucking hits than just my post. Fuck you. You do realize that my disdain for you and the rest of the asshattery from this place has made this entire board pretty much worthless. It is complete retardation like this that makes me sad that liberals exist and of course since this is the liberal board I think I am done here. Useless idiots.
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Not really gonna miss Kilmoll's knee-jerk retardo reactions to every little fucking thing the Obama administraions gonna do for the next 7 and a half years...

But Funk has actually been making decent posts in the CE forum since he's realised to not take the insults personally.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I did not use quotes in my search. I used quotes on here to differentiate my search terms from my post. Way to nitpick and have no valid input.
Well, then perhaps do you understand how a search on a term like "white", "paint", or "roads" might have a "tons" of hits?

Sure, I may be a pedant, but you don't advance your argument by failing to use a tool then claiming it points to something. Hell, you can get 166,000 hits on: panda stripper sex

There's even 8,620 hits on: george bush panda stripper sex

so clearly, George has been hitting that.

OH, and just to be clear, my "valid input" is debunking your google related "science".

Just shut the fuck up already. You know as well as I do that putting in a fucking search came up with more valid fucking hits than just my post. Fuck you. You do realize that my disdain for you and the rest of the asshattery from this place has made this entire board pretty much worthless. It is complete retardation like this that makes me sad that liberals exist and of course since this is the liberal board I think I am done here. Useless idiots.
omg, where did I say anything about searching Google? I said that I searched for "Roads." What made you then go search for paint roads white? I searched THIS thread. You know, CTRL+F. I even admitted that I failed to find where roads were mentioned in the original post. Useless twit.
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double fail, i guess
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miir wrote:Not really gonna miss Kilmoll's knee-jerk retardo reactions to every little fucking thing the Obama administraions gonna do for the next 7 and a half years...

But Funk has actually been making decent posts in the CE forum since he's realised to not take the insults personally.
To Funk's credit, since he came back he is trying not to be a douche for the sake of being a douche anymore and he's done a decent job IMO.
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This seems a little goofy to me but my perspective is a little different because I grew up in the sticks, farther north than most of you ever thought about.

a) White roads - where's the energy savings/reduction coming from here exactly? In heat absorbed in the summer? I can see a possible beneift in residual heat increases in residential areas but the car thing seems bogus: how much extra energy does it take to run AC in a car that is already running? I also am sceptical for places that actually have winters. If your temperatures get below the freezing point of water, that darker asphalt pavement attracting sunlight and heating up is a good thing in terms of ice removal on the roads. Thats why we put salt on them too: to lower the freezing point and help get rid of ice. For those who've never experienced icy roads, you wouldn't think of it but its probably the most hazardous condition in driving. Energy usage vs safety issue and safety issue wins IMO.

b) Roofs, again in cooler climes, you are going to want that black roof attracting the sun's energy. Its not as big of a deal because attics are all insulated up here and that also means the heat retention issues aren't as bad either because the insulation acts both ways.
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Wulfran wrote:This seems a little goofy to me but my perspective is a little different because I grew up in the sticks, farther north than most of you ever thought about.

a) White roads - where's the energy savings/reduction coming from here exactly? In heat absorbed in the summer? I can see a possible beneift in residual heat increases in residential areas but the car thing seems bogus: how much extra energy does it take to run AC in a car that is already running? I also am sceptical for places that actually have winters. If your temperatures get below the freezing point of water, that darker asphalt pavement attracting sunlight and heating up is a good thing in terms of ice removal on the roads. Thats why we put salt on them too: to lower the freezing point and help get rid of ice. For those who've never experienced icy roads, you wouldn't think of it but its probably the most hazardous condition in driving. Energy usage vs safety issue and safety issue wins IMO.

b) Roofs, again in cooler climes, you are going to want that black roof attracting the sun's energy. Its not as big of a deal because attics are all insulated up here and that also means the heat retention issues aren't as bad either because the insulation acts both ways.
I have to agree with wulf that this particular solution does not work in the northern states (nor in Canada obviously). Also with roofs, just like roads, it keeps the snow and ice melted - less stress on the roof.

It would also have the opposite effect they are looking for as far as energy usage as well (in the winter months more energy used on heating homes, plowing roads, salting roads etc etc).
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Wulfran wrote:(...) but the car thing seems bogus: how much extra energy does it take to run AC in a car that is already running?
Powerful A/C units in cars (which is most cars sold in the US and most upmarket cars in the EU) can run up to 3kW in power. That could easily be a 40% reduction in fuel efficiency.
NREL, a US Dept. of Energy Lab wrote:The power necessary to operate a vehicle air-conditioning compressor is significant – it can be greater than the engine
power required to move a mid-sized vehicle at a constant speed of 56 km/h (35 mph). A 400-W load on a conventional
engine can decrease the fuel economy by about 0.4 km/L (1 mpg). The United States could save over $6 billion annually if
all the light-duty vehicles in the country achieved a modest 0.4-km/L (1-mpg) increase in fuel economy.
and
The air conditioning system is the single largest auxiliary load on a vehicle by nearly an order of magnitude.
Current air conditioning systems reduce the fuel economy of conventional vehicles, thus incremental improvements
can have a significant near-term benefit because of the large number of new cars sold each year. For high fuel
economy vehicles, current air conditioning systems have a completely unacceptable impact on fuel economy.
For example, conventional air-conditioning loads can reduce EV range and HEV fuel economy by nearly 40%
depending on the size of the air-conditioner and the driving cycle.
from http://www.nrel.gov @ http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy00osti/28960.pdf

Also, the issue of the up-north-thing: they did an experiment at Kangerlussuaq, the biggest airport in Greenland. They painted a large white square on the tarmac and measured by radar how deep the permafrost was under the white square and under the dark tarmac right next to it. In August, the permafrost was 3 meters underneath the white and 4 meters underneath the dark. Significant difference...

Finally, there's also a lot of money to be saved in energy bills as far as road lighting. The brighter the paving, the less energy needed to light the roads.
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miir wrote:Not really gonna miss Kilmoll's knee-jerk retardo reactions to every little fucking thing the Obama administraions gonna do for the next 7 and a half years...

But Funk has actually been making decent posts in the CE forum since he's realised to not take the insults personally.
Unless they're from me, apparently.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I did not use quotes in my search. I used quotes on here to differentiate my search terms from my post. Way to nitpick and have no valid input.
Well, then perhaps do you understand how a search on a term like "white", "paint", or "roads" might have a "tons" of hits?

Sure, I may be a pedant, but you don't advance your argument by failing to use a tool then claiming it points to something. Hell, you can get 166,000 hits on: panda stripper sex

There's even 8,620 hits on: george bush panda stripper sex

so clearly, George has been hitting that.

OH, and just to be clear, my "valid input" is debunking your google related "science".

Just shut the fuck up already. You know as well as I do that putting in a fucking search came up with more valid fucking hits than just my post. Fuck you. You do realize that my disdain for you and the rest of the asshattery from this place has made this entire board pretty much worthless. It is complete retardation like this that makes me sad that liberals exist and of course since this is the liberal board I think I am done here. Useless idiots.
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That's what led you to confuse the initial article and SERIOUSLY think that a "libtard" would genuinely suggest painting all existing roads white. I mean, what the fuck, dude. That you even entertained the idea that anyone in government would ever seriously suggest this speaks volumes for your mental landscape.
Of course it then follows that us real-world liberals pour scorn on your ridiculous notions and that in turn causes acute panty-bunching.
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Well let's say they have people out on the roads with rollers and buckets of white paint. (I know that is absurd and will never happen.) Wouldn't that create a metric asston of jobs? Which in turn creates more taxes? Lowering the unemployment and getting welfare people off welfare. Did I mention that they should have a mandatory turn out of welfare people to do this?

I remember Milwaukee tried to have welfare people shovel sidewalks to help earn their keep. That nearly started riots. They don't want to have to do anything to get their food stamps that doesn't include making more babies.
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