You've drunk the Neo-Con Kool-Aid i see.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: The war in Iraq is part of the fight against terrorism.
Animale
You've drunk the Neo-Con Kool-Aid i see.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: The war in Iraq is part of the fight against terrorism.
How's that Juicy Juice you have going on over there on the left?Animale wrote:You've drunk the Neo-Con Kool-Aid i see.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: The war in Iraq is part of the fight against terrorism.
Nick wrote:Only a mentally disabled fucking idiot thinks the Iraq war has anything to do with the "war on terror" (whatever the fuck that is, btw), except possibly that its entire existence has made America more vulnerable to terrorist attacks by people who have watched their families die to US fighter jets bombing the fuck out of them. (and thus aren't actually terrorists, well, any more than you guys).
Oh wait they're not white and don't have their own baseball series they must be terrorists.
L O FUCKING LMidnyte_Ragebringer wrote:The war in Iraq is part of the fight against terrorism.
200,000 Germans screaming "USA, USA, USA!" is a marketing ploy to sell what?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:The marketing juggernaut that is the Obama Messiah, will run out of steam. I still have faith the people aren't dumb enough to ride this train all the into November. *fingers crossed*
Ummmm....Obama?Xyun wrote:200,000 Germans screaming "USA, USA, USA!" is a marketing ploy to sell what?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:The marketing juggernaut that is the Obama Messiah, will run out of steam. I still have faith the people aren't dumb enough to ride this train all the into November. *fingers crossed*
I think it is, but I don't like seeing politics becoming a marketing competition.Xyun wrote:I was under the impression that successful marketing is a staple of American capitalism.
Friday, July 25
Race Poll Results Spread
New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 43 Obama +6.0
Pennsylvania Rasmussen Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6.0
New Hampshire Rasmussen Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4.0
National Gallup Tracking Obama 47, McCain 41 Obama +6.0
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 49, McCain 44 Obama +5.0
This campaign has been chock full of negativity and attacks.miir wrote:Why do you keep harping on marketing?
Would you rather see an election campaign that focuses on negativity and attack ads?
Obama's marketing has been a smashing success.
McCain's marketing has been an abject failure.
I don't even know why the republicans are still wasting their time?
The is election is all but over.
Really?This campaign has been chock full of negativity and attacks.
She lost?The election was all over for Hillary too. Look what happened
Yes, really. Obama and his marketing team have been smashing Bush, McCain and America endlessly since before Hillary dropped out.miir wrote:Really?This campaign has been chock full of negativity and attacks.
She lost?The election was all over for Hillary too. Look what happened
HEATHER WILSON: Barack Obama has always had a great charismatic style, but the substance has never been there and his inexperience is one of the things that troubles a lot of people. Saying something like there's a wall between the United States and Europe? We've been allies with Western Germany and with Germany as a whole since the end of the Second World War. NATO is one of our strongest alliances. And so, what's he talking about? What's the substance behind that --
CHRIS MATTHEWS: He's talking about the fact that Europeans, Europeans hate George Bush.
WILSON: I think one of the things he tried to do in Israel was to reassure Americans that the mistakes he made with respect to Middle East policy because of his experience maybe they shouldn't be concerned about that. He went there because of his inexperience to try to give himself some kind of kind of patina of credibility.
MATTHEWS: Are you say the United States has had a good relationship with Europe in the last seven years?
WILSON: Absolutely. Yes. The US relationship with NATO, with the UK, our relationship with the United Kingdom has never been closer, and that's been spurred by common, mutual interest. I used to serve at NATO when there were 16 NATO countries and we were facing the former Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. We have very close relationships withour western european allies and I think that continues with Angela Merkel or president Sarkozy or with the Brits. I think very close relationships.
ROBERT WEXLER: The allegation that Senator Obama has not been effective, yet it is his view in Iraq that is now the prevailing view that the Prime Minister of Iraq has endorsed. It is Senator Obama's view that has been endorsed by the Bush administration in concept in Iran by engaging in diplomacy. It is his view in terms of adding troops in Afghanistan that's winning the day. So it's Senator Obama, before he's even president, that's affecting policy in such a great way.
WILSON: It's amazing that you can skew things that far. Senator Obama has been dead wrong when it comes to the policy in Iraq. He opposed the surge and he is now in a situation where he's trying to deny that the surge was successful. I don't think that's particularly presidential.
WILSON: To say that somehow there is a wall in NATO that's running somewhere down the Atlantic shows Senator Obama's inexperience when it comes to understanding where we are. You see that on a number of other things. I mean, look at his platform. He has these kind of message-tested, poll-tested things like, we should, Barack Obama will make sure we take -- he'll negotiate with the Russians to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert. It's a great idea: it was done 20 years ago. He seems to be unaware of American history. And that's inexperience which causes people some real concern about whether he's ready for the Oval Office.
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes, really. Obama and his marketing team have been smashing Bush, McCain and America endlessly since before Hillary dropped out.miir wrote:Really?This campaign has been chock full of negativity and attacks.
She lost?The election was all over for Hillary too. Look what happened
The electin was over, in favor of Hillary, by 20 points, according to the media and polls. Then the people went to vote back in January and oops. They got it wrong.
Got anything to back that up?his marketing team have been smashing Bush, McCain and America endlessly
By what polls?The electin was over, in favor of Hillary, by 20 points, according to the media and polls.
Really?Very interesting.....eye opening even.
MATTHEWS: Are you say the United States has had a good relationship with Europe in the last seven years?
WILSON: Absolutely. Yes. The US relationship with NATO, with the UK, our relationship with the United Kingdom has never been closer, and that's been spurred by common, mutual interest. I used to serve at NATO when there were 16 NATO countries and we were facing the former Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. We have very close relationships withour western european allies and I think that continues with Angela Merkel or president Sarkozy or with the Brits. I think very close relationships.
symbolicNick wrote:MATTHEWS: Are you say the United States has had a good relationship with Europe in the last seven years?
WILSON: Absolutely. Yes. The US relationship with NATO, with the UK, our relationship with the United Kingdom has never been closer, and that's been spurred by common, mutual interest. I used to serve at NATO when there were 16 NATO countries and we were facing the former Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. We have very close relationships withour western european allies and I think that continues with Angela Merkel or president Sarkozy or with the Brits. I think very close relationships.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA get fucked you idiot. Everyone hates you. The papers have been going mental over Obama because at least he represents a symbolic change from the fuckwit yanky doodle idiocy of the last 8 years.
The things some of you morons believe is beyond belief.
Nick wrote:Hey, we'll take symbolism over a direct middle finger, which is what the US is doing to Britain if it votes for McCain.
Lucky you don't visit here often eh...
See, I think that is unfair Nick. I "believe" (which is differant from hard truth of course) that McCain, if elected, will backtrack on his campaign promises (like virtually all presidents do) to most of his neocon backers and do what is best for the country. The man was a POW for a decade, after all. He is also the very best choice that the republicans can offer as a president.Nick wrote:Because McCain is a fucking monkey who will do the same murderous shit that Bush did that had zero support from the British public in the last 8 years (Blair, who'll go down as the the retarded lapdog was about the only American ally in the nearest 1000 miles from here btw).
You already know all of this in much greater detail than we will discuss here of course, but you'll prefer to revel in your own countries carnage instead of taking responsibility, as you have done since about 15 minutes after 9/11 happened, so what's the point?
And I take your point as well. I am voting for Obama because he represents the best chance of recovering (or at least setting us on the road to recovering) our foreign policy and international respect, not to mention the plethora of shit we are in right now as Americans in America.Nick wrote:Ok, I take your point. But frankly, everything McCain is saying right now is Bush 2 - even in the level of ineptitude, stupidity and narcissistic national self destruction under the guise of patriotism. So believe what you want, but "unfair" is not really a word that enters this debate. As retard boy (midnyte) likes to remind everyone, these guys are politicians (i.e cunts) - I at least prefer an anti-war candidate to a fucking shitheel who sacrificed his very own history as a POW in favour of courting the cunts that buy the whole "omg war on terror = America AWESOME!!!".
Really. That's everything eh?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Here's all you need to know about Obama.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?video ... =1&sp=true
There you go again, Larry Literal.Toshira wrote:Really. That's everything eh?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Here's all you need to know about Obama.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?video ... =1&sp=true
INFORMED VOTING DECISIONZ FTW!!12!!1!
Once again, I agree with Obama."I don't hear very much positive from Sen. McCain," he said. "He seems to be only talking about me. You need to ask John McCain what he's for, not just what he's against."
McCain talks to people everyday explaining what he believes in and it is also peppered with how he differs from Obama. I don't really consider what he has done as the negative campaigning we're all used to. It is really crucial that voters understand the differences between the two candidates. I hope McCain continues explaining those differences every day.Fairweather Pure wrote:Once again, I agree with Obama."I don't hear very much positive from Sen. McCain," he said. "He seems to be only talking about me. You need to ask John McCain what he's for, not just what he's against."
Fairweather Pure wrote:The biggest difference I see between the two is leadership. I don't get any sense of leadership from McCain. He's going through the motions. He is not innovative or different. He is running a very unexciting campaign, which is a reflection of the candidate.
I just cannot see him leading our country. If he gets in, it will be same old, same old which just isn't working. I stress old.
Omaba is Presidential. Simply by being elected he is changing things. I welcome the new face and attitude to move us in any direction other than where we've been headed the last 8 years. I also like the fact that the world abroad seems to have a genuine like for him as well. That is a good sign of changes to come when he is elected.
Arrogant or determined & confident? How would you be perceived if every second of your life, every sound you made, every facial expression you had was analyzed to the minute details in order to find something wrong with you? More so than any other person in recent memory, I think Obama is walking an amazingly thin line to not only give his opinions and plans, but also do so with extremely specific words and speeches that are harder to dissect and twist. I couldn't live like that for any amount of time and not be edgy. Right now the biggest argument against him is his 'inexperience'. Having a great deal of confidence in himself is about the best way to counter that argument.Bubba Grizz wrote:I voted for Obama in the primary here. So I was all for him at the start. Now, I don't know. He comes off as insincere to me now. A kind of arrogant aura around him. I'll still be undecided for a while but as of right now I see it as a toss up.
Well it usually is rigged. How short a memory do you have? It's not like there isn't evidence to prove it.I seriously can't express to you how excited I am to watch Obama lose the election, and to come here and listen to the absolute outrage about what an injustice it is, and how the voting must have been rigged.