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Related to the email spam problem. Some of you don't seem to have a problem with getting email spam.. what happens when it's on your phone?
If you're sick of spam, imagine wading through dozens of prerecorded porn and Viagra messages on your voice mail.

Some computer security and privacy experts are warning that such a day may not be far off for customers of new Internet phone services, which marry the immediacy of a voice call with the conveniences--and inconveniences--of e-mail.

That could be unwelcome news for those who believe telemarketing is already so bad it can't possibly get any worse.

"The fear with VoIP spam is you will have an Internet address for your phone number, which means you can use the same tools you use for e-mail to generate traffic, said Tom Kershaw, a vice president at security specialist VeriSign. "That raises automation to scary degrees."

So-called voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services have begun winning converts thanks to cheap rates and a slew of features that traditional phone companies can't match. But consumers who adopt the technology could pay a steep price if "VoIP spam" takes hold.

There are now only about 600,000 commercial Net phone subscribers, a market too small for the attention of big telemarketers. But the VoIP market is growing fast. Technology research firm IDC predicts VoIP revenue will grow from $3.3 billion in 2003 to $15.1 billion by 2007.

Once the numbers begin to add up, it's all but inevitable that new marketing techniques will spring up to take advantage of VoIP's strengths.

Like e-mail, VoIP calls find their way by locating an IP (Internet Protocol) address, a unique set of numbers assigned to each device connected to the Web. By contrast, calls made over the traditional phone network are routed by instructions taken from a 10-digit telephone number. Using VoIP, telemarketers can send messages to thousands of addresses at a time, rather than tying up a single phone line to make one call.

The biggest likely impact of VoIP spam will be on voice mail boxes. They'll dutifully record every message they receive, while a human answering the phone will likely hang up within a few seconds. That could have a tremendous effect on VoIP providers that offer free voice mail; they would have to expand their storage capabilities to handle the additional spam messages.

Consider software from Frederick, Mass.-based Qovia, which seeks out the IP addresses assigned to phones, then sends each a 30-second recording. Its pace--1,000 synthetic calls every five seconds--is a quantum leap from the automated "Demon Box" dialers that telemarketers use now.

Qovia Chief Technology Officer Choon Shim said the company didn't create its VoIP spam generator to send "30-second calls about Viagra to millions of phones." Rather, it was to serve as a wake-up call of what could be a devastating problem for the growing Net phone industry, Shim said.

Aside from the pride of proving a concept, there are some benefits to generating so many messages. There has been interest from government agencies, Shim said, which have begun exploring how to use the VoIP spam generator to replace emergency broadcasts over television and radio. Information technology managers at companies wrestling with a large number of mobile workers could use VoIP spam to better manage the devices.

"We are not about selling tools to telemarketers," Shim said. "But these things are very easy to write, as we've shown in our labs. We can't stop other people from creating their own tools."

A trickle for now
So far, there have only been isolated cases of spam to homes, and only one known example of a corporate VoIP network spammed so heavily it was paralyzed, according to a handful of carriers surveyed this week.

"There are just so few customers in relation to what's available over landlines, that there's really no reason for telemarketers to even begin to think about it," said Gary Morgenstern, a spokesman for VoIP dealer AT&T.

Still, the issue appears to be gaining attention in some influential circles. The nation's two largest long-distance companies, AT&T and MCI, say the VoIP spam issue is on their agenda. And about six weeks ago, the United States Telephone Association (USTA) identified VoIP spam as one of the next major headaches, from a regulatory and day-to-day operations perspective.

"This threatens to be a big problem in the future," a USTA representative said.

Notably, telemarketers that use VoIP to target Net phone customers may not be required to comply with the Federal Trade Commission's recently created Do-Not-Call list, computer security and privacy experts said, citing uncertainty over its status.

"VoIP spam fits very nicely into yet another void in existing regulation," said Ray Everett-Church, a principal with privacy consultants ePrivacy Group in Philadelphia.

Commercial VoIP carriers say they are working to protect their customers. For example, Vonage, the largest residential VoIP services provider with some 200,000 subscribers, said it assigns phone numbers along with IP addresses, making it more difficult for spammers to generate hundreds of calls per minute, according to a company representative.

An MCI spokeswoman said VoIP spam is "not an issue on the network because we are engineering a solution to prevent it." She said the company knows of no incidents to date of VoIP spam on the MCI network.

The problem is still so new that it has largely gone unnoticed, Everett-Church said.

One of the first Net phone spams didn't cause much of a stir, he recalled. The recipients thought the pre-recorded telemarketing call they received was a harmless error on the part of the phone company.

But when people with two Net phone lines, assigned sequential telephone numbers, got the same pre-recorded call within seconds of each other, "it was very clear to them that their phone was being spammed," he concluded.
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That would suck. Good thing I use a landline!
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Using Vonage and Lingo and havent been hit yet. Soon as I get hit I'll drop it. Til then I guess just soak up the good benefits and super cheap prices.
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Aslanna wrote:That would suck. Good thing I use a landline!
No need for a land line! Use a cell phone. Rates are cheap!

..unless you're stuck with DSL atm or have the fancy FIOS.
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Yeah with cell phones I just don't understand land lines. I haven't had one in years and I will never have one again.
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Funkmasterr wrote:Yeah with cell phones I just don't understand land lines. I haven't had one in years and I will never have one again.
If you have trouble understanding it you may want to reread the post above yours.
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Aslanna wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Yeah with cell phones I just don't understand land lines. I haven't had one in years and I will never have one again.
If you have trouble understanding it you may want to reread the post above yours.
Um, ok. I'm not sure what the second thing Winnow said is, tbh. But as far as not having cable internet available to you, chances are what you need to focus on doing is moving to a more populated part of civilization.

It's almost as ridiculous as the customers that will call in at work that have satellite internet and are complaining about site speed.

That would be the ONLY shitty excuse I can think of to use a land line, there are absolutely zero other valid reasons.
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Why do I need cable when I have DSL?

And further, as that goes, who said cable internet wasn't available to me?
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Aslanna wrote:Why do I need cable when I have DSL?

And further, as that goes, who said cable internet wasn't available to me?
Well I guess things could be totally different where you live, but around here no DSL service is anywhere near the speed of cable, and it ends up being more expensive when the cost of the phone line is considered.
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SHUT UP ASLANNA YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO MOVE TO A MORE POPULATED PART OF THE WORLD BECAUSE FUNK SAYS SO HE'S AN EXPERT IN THESE THINGS AFTER ALL
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this article is pretty retarded, the only ip addresses used for VOIP when I worked for a phone company were internal, the only way for the access world to get to your VOIP line was to call it.

it might be different for skype, and it's definitely different for some video teleconferencing stuff, but typical voip does not identify with IP addresses without some hacking capabilities (IE with an IP address you might be able to find a VOIP box, but that wouldn't magically give you the ability to call it or leave a voicemail on it).

I don't think this article has its facts straight or is looking at a company who does things much different from the norm.
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Yeah with cell phones I just don't understand land lines. I haven't had one in years and I will never have one again.
1. Home security systems (e.g. ADT, Brinks) require land lines for monitoring. Hell, they (at the time I had one) couldn't even use ISDN, it has to be a standard line.

2. When my daughter is old enough to understand 911 is for trouble, I'll have a land line installed so that I have a phone around for her to call on. I'm not going to 'hope' that she has the ability to search out a cell phone, turn it on and then dial. As soon as she's old enough to understand all of the cell phone stuff, I'll disconnect the land line again (which I haven't had one of for.. 7+ years?).
which seeks out the IP addresses assigned to phones
I don't know what you were/are using at your company but all of the voip phones in mine have IP addresses.
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we had sipura boxes (now linksys boxes) which we placed in a person's home. yes you could get to the box via an ip address, but it wouldnt be possible to use that to leave a voicemail.

are you referring to voip phones like cisco's voip pbx type phones for offices?
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One of the products my company sells is a huge PBX. I assure you that there's no way in fucking hell to send anything to the phones via IP that doesn't come from a phone number. Most VoIP installations are on logically separate networks that make use of nonroutable IP addresses. Even the phones that we deploy remotely establish an encrypted tunnel to their PBX. It's not possible to contact them via IP at all.

Edit: All VoIP devices have IP addresses. Hence the name: Voice over *IP*

Edit2: A lot of companies (like ADT for example) are pulling their heads out of their asses regarding VoIP. Assuming you have your VoIP gear UPSed, there's no reason at all why the Alarm gear or whatever can't make use of a VoIP line. That said, you're still better off with a POTS line (in the short term) in terms of overall reliability, but there's no reason for anyone to insist on it. 5-10 years from now, everything will be VoIP or wireless.
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Aslanna wrote:Why do I need cable when I have DSL?

And further, as that goes, who said cable internet wasn't available to me?
Well I guess things could be totally different where you live, but around here no DSL service is anywhere near the speed of cable, and it ends up being more expensive when the cost of the phone line is considered.
DSL can be just as fast or faster than Cable. The speed is determined by the provider, not the medium. Additionally in most Cable installations, you're sharing bandwidth whereas in most DSL installs your bandwidth is isolated and guaranteed.

As Super-Hero-IT-Mastah, I'd expect you to learn what FIOS is by tomorrow and give us all a full report.
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noel wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Aslanna wrote:Why do I need cable when I have DSL?

And further, as that goes, who said cable internet wasn't available to me?
Well I guess things could be totally different where you live, but around here no DSL service is anywhere near the speed of cable, and it ends up being more expensive when the cost of the phone line is considered.
DSL can be just as fast or faster than Cable. The speed is determined by the provider, not the medium. Additionally in most Cable installations, you're sharing bandwidth whereas in most DSL installs your bandwidth is isolated and guaranteed.

As Super-Hero-IT-Mastah, I'd expect you to learn what FIOS is by tomorrow and give us all a full report.
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Work harder. Learn all you can.

You might get to stay off the phones.

Good luck.
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So I reread the article, and I think what it's saying is: At some point in the future, you'll be able to configure your personal VoIP phone to be called via your email address, etc. If this is done, you might start receiving VoIP spam voicemail.

I'm not really sure how this is any different than the telemarketing calls people get now on landlines. This certainly isn't anything unique to VoIP. There's no way in hell they can bypass your phone and just insert messages onto your Voicemail unless... they hack your service provider's (say Vonage as an example) network.

When you're using a VoIP phone, what's really happening is that you're getting a voice stream and the associated services from a server online that's connected to a voice network. Higher speed Internet connections and lower latencies in the backbone have gotten the technology to the point that in most cases the quality is just as good as a land-line (POTS line). Your voicemail isn't stored locally and in order for someone to call you they have to do it via a phone number. An IP request not coming from your service provider's server would be discarded by your home device (the one you connect the regular phone to) because it wouldn't know what to do with it.
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