http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/ ... index.htmlNEW YORK (CNN) -- Democratic leaders, increasingly concerned that John Kerry's presidential campaign is adrift, are urging the presidential nominee to make changes in his staff before Labor Day, according to some party sources.
And Washington DC attorney Joe Sandler represents the Democratic National Committee and MoveOn.org. What's your point?Aaeamdar wrote:Except, of course:
2. Bush's attorneys were also representing the Swiftboat group.
But yeah, they are the same. /shrug.
That he doesn't work for or is paid by the Kerry Campaign. Benjamin Ginsberg was being paid directly by the Bush Campaign and advising the Swift Boat Vets. While it was not illegal for him to do so it did cast more doubt on the statements that the two groups were not coordinating. I still say his activities deserved to be looked into.And Washington DC attorney Joe Sandler represents the Democratic National Committee and MoveOn.org. What's your point?
You can think that if you want Met, but the race isn't over. The election will be too close to call until the very end. Bush won last time because most moderate voters believed he would be a moderate, he has proven them wrong and unlike other types of voters most moderates are not swayed by the shinnies that distract the majority of the population.Metanis wrote:I think the smart money in the Democratic party is going to let Mr. Kerry hang swinging in the breeze here.
They don't expect they have much of a chance anyway in this election year so why have a star like Hillary take the loss?
John Kerry = Fall Guy
Sec, I gotta bookmark this for november 3rd.Metanis wrote:I think the smart money in the Democratic party is going to let Mr. Kerry hang swinging in the breeze here.
They don't expect they have much of a chance anyway in this election year so why have a star like Hillary take the loss?
John Kerry = Fall Guy
That's your rebuttal? He was paid by the DNC but not the Kerry campaign? That's a pretty shakey splitting of semantic hairs... but if it lets you sleep at night, feel free to continue to believe that there's an effective difference. Besides, there's not a damn thing wrong with an attorney having more than one client- and very often those clients will be in the same circles of people/organizations. There has not been a single shred of evidence that the Bush campaign paid Ginsberg to advise the Swiftboat group. So again, what's your point? Oh, never mind, I figured it out- the anti-Bush people can be as hypocritical as they want to be, so long as it's anti-Bush.Crav wrote:That he doesn't work for or is paid by the Kerry Campaign. Benjamin Ginsberg was being paid directly by the Bush Campaign and advising the Swift Boat Vets. While it was not illegal for him to do so it did cast more doubt on the statements that the two groups were not coordinating. I still say his activities deserved to be looked into.And Washington DC attorney Joe Sandler represents the Democratic National Committee and MoveOn.org. What's your point?
Semantic hairs? The DNC does not direct the election campaign of the candidate. The key here is coordination; one would assume that the candidate's campaign is the one that decides on the direction to take not the national party. I understand how this can be confusing for a Republican where the national party gets involved in state and other politics such as the redistricting issue in Texas and retiring congressmen having stated that they had no choice but to go along with the national party, but in principle this should not happen.Mak wrote:That's your rebuttal? He was paid by the DNC but not the Kerry campaign? That's a pretty shakey splitting of semantic hairs... but if it lets you sleep at night, feel free to continue to believe that there's an effective difference. Besides, there's not a damn thing wrong with an attorney having more than one client- and very often those clients will be in the same circles of people/organizations. There has not been a single shred of evidence that the Bush campaign paid Ginsberg to advise the Swiftboat group. So again, what's your point? Oh, never mind, I figured it out- the anti-Bush people can be as hypocritical as they want to be, so long as it's anti-Bush.Crav wrote:That he doesn't work for or is paid by the Kerry Campaign. Benjamin Ginsberg was being paid directly by the Bush Campaign and advising the Swift Boat Vets. While it was not illegal for him to do so it did cast more doubt on the statements that the two groups were not coordinating. I still say his activities deserved to be looked into.And Washington DC attorney Joe Sandler represents the Democratic National Committee and MoveOn.org. What's your point?
moveon gives (mostly) fact. Swift boats is flat out lies, moveon also deals with issues, not veitnam.Kylere wrote:I do not think there is any difference between tht Swiftboat group and moveon.org
Anyone that does is a fool, both are fringe nuts at the far edges of society
Swift boats is about character and John F. Kerry's lack therof.Xzion wrote:moveon gives (mostly) fact. Swift boats is flat out lies, moveon also deals with issues, not veitnam.
Isn't that a contradiction in logic? If Jerry Falwell were so important to the conservative cause why would we forget him? I haven't heard or read anything by Jerry Falwell in YEARS. I think he's more important to you "liberals" as a "juice-up the debate" lightening rod.Xzion wrote:Let them scream michael moore all they want, they forget they have jerry falwell
Pretty strong hyperbole. How about posting some proof of Falwell's so-called extreme traits or beliefs. Then try and show me how how much more extreme it is than 10 Michael Moores. At 10x Moore I would guess that Falwell would have to advocate regular on-going genocide or something equally nasty...Xzion wrote:... he is far more extreme then even 10 michael moores
Just try and keep it in perspective...
I think if there was an calmer climate than a primary election, many modern Dems and Reps would find that they cross many similar paths of thought. Moderate makes more sense IMO.... anyways, carry on. 
