The members of the EU sure are going to be some impressive and credible allies.BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union has said it has found no evidence of genocide in the Sudanese region of Darfur, although killing is widespread, with little evidence of government efforts to protect civilians.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 05-12.htmlCrav wrote:Yes because even when we had evidence of genocide in Bosnia, President Clinton had so much support from the Republicans in congress. As far as the article in question I believe that the reason that they say it is not genocide is because the actions by the militias do not fall under the International Criminal court's definition of genocide. No where in the article does it deny that there are people committing mass murder in Darfur. What do you care anyways; the Bush administration is never going to send troops there, both because we are stretched too thin and they have no interests there.
Honestly you want to question Kerry's plans for the war in Iraq then please put up the Bush alternative. It's very easy to say oh that plan is dumb or it will never work, but I haven't heard any plans coming from the administration. We are stuck in Iraq, that is a given, but why do we have to keep asking reservist and guardsmen to keep paying for our President's mistake? Active duty troops expect the possibility of being in foreign countries for multiple tours, but reservist and guardsmen have had their tours extended to unreasonable lengths with no end in sight. Where is the Bush plan to end their tours, do you really think that he will admit to his mistakes and ask for help from the world? Do you honestly think that the current administration will share in the responsibility and profits in rebuilding Iraq?
And therefore, our strategy for peace is to do everything we can to protect the homeland, by being on the offense against an enemy. But it's also to spread liberty. These are historic times. That's why it's vital we stand with those who love freedom in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Ummmm, "standing firm" is a hard concept for liberals to grasp I guess.And so we've got to stand with these people, see, because, you know what, a free world -- a free Iraq in a part of the world that's desperate for freedom is an historic opportunity.
I suspect you are right.kyoukan wrote:I will bet anyone a hundred dollars that if (when) Kerry goes to the UN and apologizes for his predacessors war-mongering and arrogance, and requests assistance in Iraq, then every country in the security council will unanimously vote for as much assisstance is needed.
You say that Kerry's plan isn't specifics enough, yet when asked for the alternative you give us "standing firm". "Standing firm" is not a plan, it is, however, the situation that our fighting men and women find themselves in everyday in the face of enemy fire paying for the administration's lack of foresight, ingenuity and humility.Metanis wrote:What a novel idea... using the source.kyoukan wrote:you're using a speech by pres. bush to substantiate your argument?
I was asked to "put up the Bush alternative".
Metanis wrote:What a novel idea... using the source.
I was asked to "put up the Bush alternative".
Would you prefer if the personal agenda of every trooper in Iraq was posted so that you could feel like you are in tune with their every move?Crav wrote:You say that Kerry's plan isn't specifics enough, yet when asked for the alternative you give us "standing firm". "Standing firm" is not a plan, it is, however, the situation that our fighting men and women find themselves in everyday in the face of enemy fire paying for the administration's lack of foresight, ingenuity and humility.Metanis wrote:What a novel idea... using the source.kyoukan wrote:you're using a speech by pres. bush to substantiate your argument?
I was asked to "put up the Bush alternative".
Well we would have to begin by saying that the way the war was conducted was wrong and that it was a mistake to not allow all dipolmatic channels to be exercised. However, these words or others will not change the reality that our mistake has caused the world to be in far greater danger and that we can not correct this mistake by ourselves. We are at a point in time where the world is in flux, there is a real danger that because of our actions radical Islam, which had been a non factor in world events, is now a major threat to all peoples. From the Phillipines to Spain we have seen what our mistake has caused and we ask and need the assistance of those very people that we have endangered in order to correct that mistake.It was the US government that invented the reasons for the invasion.
It was the US government that led the coalition that invaded and destroyed the existing infrastructure.
It is the US government that is awarding the contracts to rebuild/supply everything.
Its your mess, why should I lobby/pressure my government to help clean it up?
A lot less death than when Saddam was in power.Lynks wrote:Don't forget the death, there's going to be a lot of that ahead too.Metanis wrote:How about getting a little humility yourself and realizing that this is the real world here, there's no guarantees, there's nothing but hard work and hope ahead.
No crap? I better vote for Kerry then, I'm sure he will stop Death in it's tracks... just like he did that naked Viet Cong soldier.Lynks wrote:Don't forget the death, there's going to be a lot of that ahead too.Metanis wrote:How about getting a little humility yourself and realizing that this is the real world here, there's no guarantees, there's nothing but hard work and hope ahead.
What I would like is an idea on how we are going to handle the logistics of this war. Obviously we have to rebuild the country and no I'm not asking for a set date on when it will be done. What I am asking is for a very general idea on how exactly we are going to accomplish this. We can not keep our reservist and guardsmen in Iraq for five years. We can not ask our active duty personnel to "stand firm" with no sight of reinforcements. It's all well and good to say it will take hard work, but an army marches on its stomach and the logistics for a five year reconstruction are not in place. There is no plan from the administration on how they are going to keep our troops at combat strength or how we are going to react to threats outside of Iraq and Afghanistan. Like it or not we need help, I just hope that which ever candidate wins they will be able to properly ask for it and more importantly receive it.So what do you want Crav? You want to micro-manage their every move? You want President Bush to become GOD and state that the job will be done on X day in the future?
Imagine that. I'm totally devastated.kyoukan wrote:he was mocking you.Metanis wrote:Thank you!miir wrote:I had a nice, well thought out rebuttal typed out but I decided I'd just rather stand firm on my opinion that Metanis is an ignorant shithead.
Loan me $1.05?
With that and your opinion I'll buy a cup of coffee at McDonalds.
He is???? Holy shit!!! I wasn't thinking that but hell, since you said it. Sure!Metanis wrote:No crap? I better vote for Kerry then, I'm sure he will stop Death in it's tracks... just like he did that naked Viet Cong soldier.Lynks wrote:Don't forget the death, there's going to be a lot of that ahead too.Metanis wrote:How about getting a little humility yourself and realizing that this is the real world here, there's no guarantees, there's nothing but hard work and hope ahead.
/truceCrav wrote:Like it or not we need help, I just hope that which ever candidate wins they will be able to properly ask for it and more importantly receive it.
Where's Kooky when you need her? This is where she's supposed to point out that I'm mocking you...Lynks wrote:He is???? Holy shit!!! I wasn't thinking that but hell, since you said it. Sure!Metanis wrote:No crap? I better vote for Kerry then, I'm sure he will stop Death in it's tracks... just like he did that naked Viet Cong soldier.Lynks wrote:Don't forget the death, there's going to be a lot of that ahead too.Metanis wrote:How about getting a little humility yourself and realizing that this is the real world here, there's no guarantees, there's nothing but hard work and hope ahead.
kyoukan wrote:Metanis wrote:What a novel idea... using the source.
I was asked to "put up the Bush alternative".
that's not a plan you fucking dumbass. jesus.
the UN helps out dozens of countries a year through peacekeeping and administration. all you arrogant bullies do is bomb shit, take what you want and leave. and you have the fucking gall to say the UN is all talk and no action? please. the UN is stretched thin because of all the peacekeeping and helping they do internationally. all you violent war criminals do is attack countries when you want something they have or to exact vengeance and then you leave.
I believe this is exactly what President Bush plans on doing. (Without John Kerry's help thank you.)Kelshara wrote:No offense but I have no interest in cleaning up your mess. You shit in your own nest, now clean it up.I would contend that the WORLD needs to step forward and recognize they have a moral obligation to keep Iraq from sliding into anarchy.
Kelshara wrote:No offense but I have no interest in cleaning up your mess. You shit in your own nest, now clean it up.I would contend that the WORLD needs to step forward and recognize they have a moral obligation to keep Iraq from sliding into anarchy.
Was The TV Show Life Goes On About You? lOL hiCartalas wrote:kyoukan wrote:Metanis wrote:What a novel idea... using the source.
I was asked to "put up the Bush alternative".
that's not a plan you fucking dumbass. jesus.
the UN helps out dozens of countries a year through peacekeeping and administration. all you arrogant bullies do is bomb shit, take what you want and leave. and you have the fucking gall to say the UN is all talk and no action? please. the UN is stretched thin because of all the peacekeeping and helping they do internationally. all you violent war criminals do is attack countries when you want something they have or to exact vengeance and then you leave.
Was the movie Clueless about you?
