More AA's then just mana burn being refunded

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » October 12, 2002, 9:09 am

Due to the upcoming changes to Manaburn, Rods of Mystical Transvergence and a previous change to Innate Regeneration, we will be reimbursing several Alternate Advancement (AA) abilities. This will happen with the next patch (scheduled for 3 am the morning of October 16th).

Once you log on after the patch, if you have any of these abilities, please check your AA window immediately!

If you have more than 30 unspent points, it is very important that you make certain that your character has 30 or fewer AA points before the launch of Planes of Power on October 21st! The return of these AA points may put your total number of unspent points over the 30 point maximum. Your pool will be reduced to 30 the first time you log in after the launch of Planes of Power on October 21st.

We will be refunding all Alternate Advancement points in the following abilities:

Innate Regeneration
Manaburn
Mental Clarity
Quick Summoning
Refunded Alternate Advancement points may be spent in any way you choose.

Thank you for playing our game and for your patience and understanding while we make these changes.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » October 12, 2002, 3:31 pm

what are they doing to mental clarity and regen?

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » October 12, 2002, 4:38 pm

Mental clarity is required for Manaburn. OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of wizards only got it because of that. Mental clarity I is worth 2 points. However, I dont feel MCII and III are worth 4 and 6 points. They are giving the points back so wizards can do what they wish with them. You can always put them back into MC.
Innate Regen I think was the choice OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of people took because of the whole mod rod thing. They were able to regen faster while rodding. I guess they want to give those back as well. I am sure OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of people will still put them into that. Regen is good.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 12, 2002, 4:56 pm

Races with innate regen also took all the regen AAs because originally, if you were an iksar or a troll, the regened 2 per tic more. They changed it so that it did only one per tic and there was a big uproar over people having spent tons of AA to get all the regen AAs for this effect and VI originally stated there would be no AA refund. With the refunding of Wizard AAs for MB, I think VI is preemptively covering its ass on this one, especially since they dont need any more backlash with PooP almost out of the chute.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 13, 2002, 2:06 am

so why don't they just add a 'refund AA points' button into the AA interface to save them the trouble of refunding a new class everyweek for the next 8 weeks? because this is becoming a chain reaction, and in the name of balance, what they do to one, they have to do to all, no?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » October 13, 2002, 2:18 am

Races with innate regen also took all the regen AAs because originally, if you were an iksar or a troll, the regened 2 per tic more.

I'll be happy with Regen refund! I would have never put points into Regen if I would have only gotten one per tic. It's not worth it. Perhaps they should have had the General regen 1 a tic and the Arch (Or Class. Wherever it is) regen give 2. At least that would have made it a little more worthwhile for the points spent. 12 points AA for 3 tic regen? Yeah, that's a good deal!

so why don't they just add a 'refund AA points' button into the AA interface to save them the trouble of refunding a new class everyweek for the next 8 weeks? because this is becoming a chain reaction, and in the name of balance, what they do to one, they have to do to all, no?

Well, it's in the text file, actually. But not sure if that's a GM thing or not. If they did something like this they wouldn't make it a one-for-one thing. It would be too easily exploitable. For example, if I was dotted and close to dying I could quickly refund 9 points from Ambidex , train Purify Body for 9, cleanse myself, then move it from PB back into Ambidex.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 13, 2002, 2:29 am

ya I know what you mean Aslanna...the same sort of thing happened with 'spec'ing' in DAOC...basically they've developed themselves into a corner...

At this point really...You reset/refund everyone's AA points and let them redo them this one time (or until you fuck it up again and it needs to be done again) OR You say "screw all you bastards, suck it up."

Obviously...that's just how I see it could be done fairly...there are other options I'm sure...

PhyscoBloodspiller · October 13, 2002, 10:04 am

Nah, you got a chance to respec in DAoC was because too many people put points into the wrong thing, because they did not know the usefulness of the skill. Not because Mythic fucked up the skills, or redid them.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 13, 2002, 1:59 pm

No, quite a few skills were redone, and players were unable to adjust for them. It was part of the PvP tuning that they once tried to do and since have given up on.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 13, 2002, 2:22 pm

My dumb ass wants the points back from Casting Fury1

Yes, I am stupid.