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It doesnt matter which team you want to win, THAT was an exciting ending.

For those of you who dont watch basketball, the Lakers/Spurs game 5. Check it out.

I'm about to stop watching the NBA. I am sick and fucking tired of the refs fucking up games (and in particular of sucking Lakers cock). Did anyone see how Wade got raped but barely ever got a call against Indiana? Or the last shot of the Sacramento - Minnesota game? Obviously a foul, but the ESPN experts themself said "If that had been a superstar it would have been a foul. If that had been Kobe it would have been a foul". That's just damn wrong. Or how the fat fuck Shaq can do pretty much anything he like because.. well he is fat and he is Shaq. Bah, fuck them all.

The refs are ruining the game.

I was just trying to figure out how the heal Duncan was falling like that, hit the shot, and didn't get the foul. Letting teams play is one thing, but doing it at the VERY end of the game is another.

He could do that because he was not playing for the Lakers. Did you see the other two Spurs players who got thrown to the floor on the play as well?

Ok, I like you both, but...

Shaq covered Duncan PERFECTLY. There was NO FOUL. Duncan made an incredible/impossible shot.

Then D. Fish made an even more incredible/impossible shot. I objectively watched that final shot several times. The clock started when it was supposed to, and the ball was released before time ran out. Much to my disbelief, heh.

I saw the final .4 seconds of the game. That was the longest .4 seconds I have seen in a long time. The interview with Shaq after the game was pretty funny. Everyone else from the Lakers ran into the locker room. Both shots were... inconcievable!

I harbor no love for the NBA, but that was a helluva game.

I do agree Shaq covered Duncan perfectly, however it appears the play was designed for Ginobili(I think it was him cutting off the screen) who got tripped by Shaq on his way around, and pushed by the guy trying to chase him around the screen.

That should've been a foul!

But it was a great game regardless.

The NBA is for entertainment purposes only. It's rigged. Ratings will be much higher with the Lakers advancing bringing with them all the drama.

Let me run down the NBA champions for the past few years if it wasn't corrupt:

2000 Phoenix Suns
2001 Phoenix Suns
2002 Phoenix Suns
2003 Phoenix Suns

WOOHOO GO LAKERS !!! Best game i've in a while

No way that Stojakovic shot was a foul. I can launch myself into someone else who already has position, throw up a god awful shot, and complain that I was fouled too, but all it means is that I was unable to get an open shot and want someone else to blame for the fact that my team just cannot play in the clutch.

I completely and totally disagree with your assessment of the referees. Certainly, games are occasionally called poorly, and superstars get a few more calls (note: both tim duncan and peja stojakovic are examples of superstars who are more likely to get calls). This happens in every sport. I've been a basketball referee in the past, and I don't know if people who haven't done it can understand just how hard it is to objectively judge the level of physical contact occuring between 10 people sprinting all over the floor.

Quote from Marty Burns of cnnsi.com that I agree with:

As for the Spurs, meanwhile, they know deep down they have nobody to blame but themselves. They can decry Fisher's lucky shot -- and the refs' slow trigger finger -- but the fact is the Lakers were the better team most of Game 5.

In the biggest game of their season -- at home -- San Antonio laid an egg for the first 40 minutes. The Spurs just could not get in any offensive rhythm. Hedo Turkoglu and Tony Parker couldn't knock down open shots, Parker kept dribbling into traffic and losing the ball and Ginobili wasn't able to create his usual havoc. The Spurs did turn up their defense at the end to get back in the game, but they were pressing their luck the entire way. Kobe and Shaq each had shots go in and out that could have pretty much iced the game. Then Tim Duncan hits not one - but two! - prayers in succession to keep the Spurs alive.

No way that Stojakovic shot was a foul.

Every expert I have seen talk about it on ESPN claim otherwise. Direct quotes "In the third quarter that would have been a foul. In the 4th, in a situation like this, it would have been a foul for a superstar like Kobe. Stojakovich has not yet reached that level." Giving "superstars" special treatment is plain and pure bullshit. And the refereeing of the playoffs has been horrible in general.

There is special treatment for star players. At least according to the guy who trained me to officiate, referee's are specifically instructed that "fans don't pay to watch stars foul out." I wonder, however, what makes you (or any "experts") think that Peja is not a star who receives such treatment. He's the second leading scorer in the NBA, probably the best jump shooter, was one of the leading candidates for MVP halfway through the year, and is the best player on a team that has consistently won 55+ games and advanced to the second or third round of the playoffs for a number of years running. I've seen Peja draw a number of calls that I think are pretty questionable. I also think he doesn't go to the line as much as other stars because he doesn't possess the same speed, ballhandling ability, or athletic explosiveness that allows them to force contact.

Also, most of the "experts" I've seen have taken the opposite stance, which probably just means that we watch TV at different times. In absence of a consensus, I'm going to go with what I saw, which was Stojakovic throwing his elbow into Hassel's outstretched arm. Defensive players have a right to maintain legal defensive position, and they possess rights to operate in the vertical space that they're standing in. It seemed to me that Hassel just played solid defense.

Keep in mind that I dislike the Kings, and think that Rick Adelman and Peja Stojakovic make up a deadly combination of most overrated coach and most overrated player in the NBA. So my opinion certainly could be biased.

I just think it's funny since he specifically said "the ESPN experts" and never claimed to be one himself.

Nah I am not an expert by far, I do however watch quite a bit of basketball (both NCAA and NBA). I can't for the life of me remember the name of the guy on ESPN, but it is the guy they usually bring in on Sportscenter etc to deal with basketball.. white guy, not the journalist from Philly (who is a riot heh.. and who also agreed that superstars would have gotten a foul there).

And Stojakovic isn't in the same category as Duncan, Kobe (in particular) etc. And I am not a Kings fan either

Now, can someone give the entire Lakers team the flu or something?

You can complain about the officiating on the final play of Game 5, but the Spurs lost because they turned the ball over all night. If they cut one or 2 turnovers the shot at the end would have been meaningless.

Never claimed they didn't shoot themself in the foot, but that doesn't change the fact that the officiating through the entire playoffs has been horrible. Another example was last night in the first quarter, Shaq uses his shoulder to bulldoze his defender and the defender gets a foul. It is ridiculous that his fat ass his cuddled that way. Then on the other end Devin Brown I think it was (who I went to class with btw at UTSA heh.. damn cool to see him defend Kobe etc now) got raped going to the basket and it never got called on what should have been a 3-point opportunity.

I've heard several teams claim that when they play the Lakers they have to beat the refs as well. I agree completely.

If you want to nitpick, you can always pull out several mistakes the referees made per game. And, if you're objective, you also noticed that they're split pretty evenly between the teams.

It's pretty clear, however, that you aren't. You're just a San Antonio fan looking for someone to blame. You're looking in the wrong place. I realize, however, that as a fan it's difficult to blame San Antonio's .302 from the field (.213 in the second half), .125 from the 3-point line, or their giving up 10 points in transition while scoring none themselves. Or to blame Tony Parker's 4-18 shooting and 6 turnovers. Or the Spurs utter ineptitude, once again, in the 3rd quarter and that Tim Duncan didn't make an single field goal in the quarter - all told he went from 2:05 left in the second until 8:25 left in the 4th, nearly 18 minutes, without a field goal. Yes, it is difficult to admit that the Spurs didn't play well.

Yet more difficult would be to blame the Lakers for shutting down Tony Parker, Hedo Turkoglu, and Bruce Bowen or containing Tim Duncan to only 20 points and holding him without a field goal for a stretch of almost 18 minutes. And impossible to blame the Lakers for smashing through the vaunted San Antonio defense. Or to blame Kobe Bryant for scorching the league's second best perimeter defender for 26 points, and 12 in the 4th quarter. Or to blame Shaq for making the game clenching free-throws when San Antonio tried the "hack a Shaq" defense when they couldn't keep LA from scoring in the 4th. Yes, it is much more difficult to admit that the Lakers are just better than the Spurs.

It is, however, easy to blame referees. Even referees who did a tremendous job of allowing *BOTH* Tim Duncan and Shaquille O'Neal finish the game by letting them *BOTH* get away with plays that could easily have been fouls. See, the thing idiots like you don't realize, is that it doesn't matter how referees call a game as long as it's consistent. It's up to the players to adjust their game. The Lakers did that, San Antonio continued to throw their bodies against Shaq in an attempt for foul him out. The referees were consistent, maybe you wanted more fouls called on Shaq but I'll bet you didn't want more called on Duncan. Fact is, you can't have it both ways. If you could then, and only then, would you be able to say the referees didn't do a good job.

The simple fact is, the Lakers outplayed San Antonio in, not just game 6, but in all of the last 4 games. They deserved to win the series, San Antonio didn't. This year, the Lakers were the better team and referees had nothing to do with it.

**Evil Mod!**

I like to see numbers, and arguments tossed around. But just flat out telling someone to fuck off in my forum, and Im not the one doing the fucking off, is a personal foul!

When in the post above Karae's did you mention other teams?

Edit: Oh wait you said the officiating in the playoffs has been terrible then went on a rant about the lakers. My mistake.

I am no fan of the lakers, in fact I actively root against them. I am a knicks fan and always will be.

Kelshara wrote:Hi I am Karae and I am too much of a dumbass to read! I didn't notice that the posts included several different teams and series, not just the Spurs! But of course, that would have ruined my point so I had to ignore that!

It's fairly obvious what your motivations are. You hate the Lakers for beating the Spurs and want to blame the referees for it. Let me provide some examples.

From your first post:

Kelshara wrote:I'm about to stop watching the NBA. I am sick and fucking tired of the refs fucking up games (and in particular of sucking Lakers cock).

Kelshara wrote:Or how the fat fuck Shaq can do pretty much anything he like because.. well he is fat and he is Shaq.

Second:

Kelshara wrote:He could do that because he was not playing for the Lakers. Did you see the other two Spurs players who got thrown to the floor on the play as well?

Third:

Kelshara wrote:Now, can someone give the entire Lakers team the flu or something?

Fourth:

Kelshara wrote:Shaq uses his shoulder to bulldoze his defender and the defender gets a foul. It is ridiculous that his fat ass his cuddled that way. Then on the other end Devin Brown I think it was (who I went to class with btw at UTSA heh.. damn cool to see him defend Kobe etc now) got raped going to the basket and it never got called on what should have been a 3-point opportunity.

I've heard several teams claim that when they play the Lakers they have to beat the refs as well. I agree completely.

Even your other examples, are just a lead in to pointing at the Lakers. As an example.

In your first post you wrote:

Kelshara wrote:Did anyone see how Wade got raped but barely ever got a call against Indiana? Or the last shot of the Sacramento - Minnesota game? Obviously a foul

but immediately follow it with:

Kelshara wrote:"If that had been a superstar it would have been a foul. If that had been Kobe it would have been a foul". That's just damn wrong.

and follow it with the aforementioned tirade on Shaq.

I merely focused on the Lakers/Spurs series because you were so obviously focused on it yourself. I give you evidence, you return with insults.

I guess it's also much easier to call anyone who disagrees with you a dumbass than admit you were wrong, eh?

I have complained about the refs all through the season, in several NFL games and in NCAA games. Refs have sucked ass this last year in general, and most people who actually watch the games agree with me.

1. Wade has been assraped because he can outplay anyone but is a rookie so get zero calls.

2. Shaq's weight advantage and the way refs love him make him barely foul out, even though he bulldozes people both on offense and defense.

3. Stojakovich's last shot was an obvious foul in game.. 3 was it? Didn't get it because he isn't a superstar. When commentators then say "That would have been a fould in the third quarter, but only a superstar would get that call now" explains how pure wrong it is.

4. If the refs saw Garnett in today's game and didn't toss him.. well.. I will give them the benefit of the doubt first on the pull of the Kings' player arm, then the elbow the next trip down the floor. They both should have been ejected.

5. Opposite problem for Rasheed Wallace (sp). He is generally disliked by refs and get every bad call possible.

I could go on and on. It has nothing to do with me being a Spurs fan (I am more a fan of good games than a big Spurs fan), and I really hate treating teams/single people differently due to how well known they are since I've experienced it first-hand.

Yes I do actively watch basketball and haven't missed many of the playoff games - what you need to understand is basketball players are actors as well - they *try* to draw the foul.

And yes some are actors, and some are horrible actors. Several sports have ncluded penalties for "flopping" or acting, wish NBA would as well.

Ok. Time out.


This is the Sports forum. If you 3 want to bitch at eachother, go to current events or something. Im not being a dick hence I deleated/edited posts from all 3 of you. Equal hateing.


I edited the attacks out, and left the sports mojo in there. It still looks like a decent type of thread with the attacks deleated out. Some how Karae did in fact find a loophole, and post a persons own thoughts. And just pointed out why you seem like a Spurs fan. No attacks, unless you arnt a fan:P

So no bitching, no crying. Just talk sports. You can hate and bash eachothers team, players * like Arod and how he needs to be beaned in the head* and such. But when it comes down to " Your a dumbass! No you are!".* then we hit a bump in the road.


It was a good game. I wanted the spurs to win. Yet the lakers have out played them and pulled their shit together. I guess Kobe did rape someone, poor spurs!:(

No doubt that Lakers outplayed them in games 3-6, I just want equal treatment for everyone wether your name is Kobe Bryant or #6 off the bench of Miami Heat. A foul is a foul whoever commits it or whenever it is done.