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BKL arguments continued here....

I'm starting a guild for retired EQ players. Our raid times are set at Never o'clock EST all week long.

I am recruiting the following classes.

Level whatever , class whatnot

Our first raid will be this post.

Dups. wrote: Our first raid will be this post.

I'm guessing we'll be killing Time?

for some reason retired folks are coming back .. and having some fun. Lord knows I am. I actually like how the game has progressed.

my attitude is different as well ... short spurts of fun. Not long camps for lewts.

do a couple hundred more adventures and see if you still feel refreshed

After reviewing the BKL thread, I would like to take the time to say the following:

I told you dipshits that you didn't need to waste time in Vex Thal to be successfull in PoP. You know who you are.

/rude

I've said the same thing before, many times.

Vex Thal is worth doing when you only have 2 or 3 guilds in your timezone after it. But with 5+ heh, you could probably gear up faster farming 3-day spawn PoP shit.

Last night we spent 5 hours in VT to get 9 loots, all of which had at least 3 people ask for, including a collective FT17. This is opposed to doing Aerin Dar or Grummus where alts get loots, or Agnarr which takes around 3 hours to get 2 loots. Below SolRo there's just not many options for guilds that aren't ready for MM/Bertox. I would even venture to say that the lifespan of VT mobs is > the lifespan of mobs like Behemoth, Terris, Rydda, Carprin these days, due in large part to eqraiders and backflagging orgs.

In short, in our experience VT is very worth it.

if it takes you 3 hours to do Agnarr, that is a problem =)

Personally, I think VT is a great zone for progression. Learn the creep, learn to handle it quickly (which will be so fucking useful in Earth), get a lot of loots for your troubles and you can tuck a guild in there for months and basically forget about them.

The problem occurs when you've got 5-10 guilds competing over it.

From calling raid to AE TLing people out after ferrying the flagless people who showed up late, I think 3 hours was right at how long it took on our first win. This was just an example. Also take into account that as soon as Agnarr dies I have to go see what other named are still up and uncontested, as opposed to VT where once you kill one named you start clearing to next while doing loot.

That's assuming that someone else hasn't set up a CoH and leapfrogged themselves past your raid.

This thread is misleading, nobody's penix is bigger than mine.

Sanaelya wrote:do a couple hundred more adventures and see if you still feel refreshed

Heh, you do three to, maybe, five a week, it still will be.

Do five a day, they won't, just like anything else entirely overdone in life

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:After reviewing the BKL thread, I would like to take the time to say the following:

I told you dipshits that you didn't need to waste time in Vex Thal to be successfull in PoP. You know who you are.

/rude

Hi!

The big debate wasn't that VT was required for PoP. Just that it would make it easier.

You can't count additional inches of penix that are sticking out of your mouth Syl~

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:After reviewing the BKL thread, I would like to take the time to say the following:

I told you dipshits that you didn't need to waste time in Vex Thal to be successfull in PoP. You know who you are.

/rude

I guess that's why the first 3 guilds to finish time did Vex Thal. Waste of time...yes.

Guess some people are just willing to settle for mediocrity. You know who you are.

Karae wrote:

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:After reviewing the BKL thread, I would like to take the time to say the following:

I told you dipshits that you didn't need to waste time in Vex Thal to be successfull in PoP. You know who you are.

/rude

I guess that's why the first 3 guilds to finish time did Vex Thal. Waste of time...yes.

Guess some people are just willing to settle for mediocrity. You know who you are.

For the record. The 4th guild to finish Time cleared VT but never went back again.

Unless I'm mistaken, the first and third guilds to finish time were working on or were near vex thal before time was opened.

Sionistic wrote:Unless I'm mistaken, the first and third guilds to finish time were working on or were near vex thal before time was opened.

You are correct sir, yes, FOH never went back to VT after POP came out (with the exception of small groups of bored ones late at nights on some occasions), and COE\CD was only in VT for around a month or so after POP I believe, and they were pretty far ahead of all other guilds already, except Valhall, but Valhall fell apart soon after anyway.

Sov on the other hand was about even with PD for a long time, til VT, Sov did VT 3x, cleared once, then moved on and worked hardcore on POP. PD worked on VT first to get stronger...Sov has cleared time now and PD has teamed with Farstorm and still hasn't even broken into time now.

Last night we spent 5 hours in VT to get 9 loots, all of which had at least 3 people ask for, including a collective FT17. This is opposed to doing Aerin Dar or Grummus where alts get loots, or Agnarr which takes around 3 hours to get 2 loots. Below SolRo there's just not many options for guilds that aren't ready for MM/Bertox. I would even venture to say that the lifespan of VT mobs is > the lifespan of mobs like Behemoth, Terris, Rydda, Carprin these days, due in large part to eqraiders and backflagging orgs.

In short, in our experience VT is very worth it.

For quite some time, I had the same opinion of VT as you, and sure, VT can be benificial. But with the amount in there, I would say it would be much smarter to do it one time through, then work on POP unless its full pop and for some reason no one is there.

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Sov on the other hand was about even with PD for a long time, til VT, Sov did VT 3x, cleared once, then moved on and worked hardcore on POP. PD worked on VT first to get stronger...Sov has cleared time now and PD has teamed with Farstorm and still hasn't even broken into time now.

Holy shit, I actually agree with Asheran.

Karae wrote:

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:After reviewing the BKL thread, I would like to take the time to say the following:

I told you dipshits that you didn't need to waste time in Vex Thal to be successfull in PoP. You know who you are.

/rude

I guess that's why the first 3 guilds to finish time did Vex Thal. Waste of time...yes.

Guess some people are just willing to settle for mediocrity. You know who you are.

The first 3 guilds to finish Time were in VT before PoP ever opened. After PoP came out they didn't waste much of their time there now did they? Sovereign didn't even become a guild until after PoP was out....they did raid together as 2 guilds before that but quite honestly had the mindset that I and a few others had. The reason I left is because I would not settle for mediocrity for myself or my guild. Being passive and happy for scraps is not my style as I am sure quite a few of you know. History is obviously not your strong point.

Sargeras wrote:

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Sov on the other hand was about even with PD for a long time, til VT, Sov did VT 3x, cleared once, then moved on and worked hardcore on POP. PD worked on VT first to get stronger...Sov has cleared time now and PD has teamed with Farstorm and still hasn't even broken into time now.

Holy shit, I actually agree with Asheran.

His mind is clear now, the Queen no longer speaks to him..

z3rg f0rce g0!

Actually Kilmoll, CD and CoE killed emp for the first time the day of or the day after PoP came out. History is obviously not your strong point, lol.

VT is useful, but not necessary, that is really all there is to it.

Takes about the same amount of time to fully flag a character as it is to kill the blobs though. I'm sure VT gear helps though. Although now that I think about it, ornate and tradeskill shit would get you through to elemental OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS faster than VT gear.

PS. I like boobies.

Korell wrote:

Sargeras wrote:

Asheran Mojomaster wrote:Sov on the other hand was about even with PD for a long time, til VT, Sov did VT 3x, cleared once, then moved on and worked hardcore on POP. PD worked on VT first to get stronger...Sov has cleared time now and PD has teamed with Farstorm and still hasn't even broken into time now.

Holy shit, I actually agree with Asheran.

His mind is clear now, the Queen no longer speaks to him..

hes still a fucking pothead..

Thess wrote:Actually Kilmoll, CD and CoE killed emp for the first time the day of or the day after PoP came out. History is obviously not your strong point, lol.

That is true, but they also had VT all to themselves for so long that it helped them equip and prepare for POP faster than doing just trying to advance in POP with ssra gear., which isn't the case when you have to fight with 8 other guilds for mobs.

Valhall killed emp about 3 weeks later, and CoE/CD and Valhall rotated every other week. Estrella killed emp a few weeks after Valhall.

CD/CoE only stayed in VT for 3 months while doing PoP content in the downtime between clearings.

With LDoN, the upped rates of Ornate dropping - VT really isn't necessary at this point, exspecially with 8 guilds in there.

As I remember it, Estrella killed Emperor Snake before Valhall. For some reason or another they didnt start doing Vex Thal for quite some time after that though.

Omj is right, them lagging actually doing VT is what confused me

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I told you dipshits that you didn't need to waste time in Vex Thal to be successfull in PoP.

^------my original statement. Am I wrong on this or is Sovereign so superior in skills to the rest of the server that they are the only ones who can clear time without farming VT?

Aslanna wrote:The big debate wasn't that VT was required for PoP. Just that it would make it easier."

Bullshit. I wish I had copies of the guild board from then to show you how wrong this statement was. There were a ton of loot whores crying because they wanted the candy instead of working a little harder and having to pay attention more to do PoP. I don't think we had 25 people total that thought you could progress past Grummus without having full VT gear on every person in the guild.

Kilmoll wrote:Being passive and happy for scraps is not my style as I am sure quite a few of you know.

^------this was my reference for the history statement. I don't have access to the CD/COE boards to know their times and dates....nor was I busy slobbering on any of their cocks, so to speak, while trying to focus our own people on moving ahead instead of the back farming, loot whoring, too pussy to move forward, Xanupox raising of their E-bay value ways.

/shrug

Still a tad salty over realizing we had recruited so many true tools that didn't fucking care. The old school CT may have had more of a zergalicious flavor, but at least they gave a fuck.

Winnow wrote:For the record. The 4th guild to finish Time cleared VT but never went back again.

Probably why I said first 3. I suppose I could have mentioned that Valhall was on pace to be the 4th before breaking up. But it's really pointless, since they broke up and weren't.

Karae wrote:

Winnow wrote:For the record. The 4th guild to finish Time cleared VT but never went back again.

Probably why I said first 3. I suppose I could have mentioned that Valhall was on pace to be the 4th before breaking up. But it's really pointless, since they broke up and weren't.

Im talking about Sovereign not Valhall. I was against VT in CT and wasn't a big fan of it in Legion. I spent time in both guilds helping flag everyone for VT only to clear it one time. It still seems like a waste to me. I think Ixt/Legion -->Sovereign would have been the third to clear Time if we had skipped VT but that's my own opinion.

That said, it's still a nice accomplishment for any guild as it shows dedication and patience for the guilds that complete the keys. It's like getting your college degree. An expensive waste of time but the diploma in your hand shows your ability to endure pain and suffering and that you are trainable by whatever company you get a job with afterwards.

College degrees and VT keys really don't relate but my Arby's lunch hasn't settled yet and I'm in an after lunch daze. Using my bowl of jello analogy is on hold until my stomach is back to normal.

Karae wrote:Winnow wrote:
For the record. The 4th guild to finish Time cleared VT but never went back again.


Probably why I said first 3. I suppose I could have mentioned that Valhall was on pace to be the 4th before breaking up. But it's really pointless, since they broke up and weren't.

or maybe you should just use words that communicate your meaning more efficiently.

cause all you said was "did Vex Thal".


i understand what you meant..."farmed Vex Thal"...but it isn't what you said.

Jugata wrote:Takes about the same amount of time to fully flag a character as it is to kill the blobs though. I'm sure VT gear helps though. Although now that I think about it, ornate and tradeskill shit would get you through to elemental OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS faster than VT gear.

PS. I like boobies.

Except ornate didn't exist until almost a year after PoP was released.

In reality, a well done VT raid only takes 3-4 hours...about half the time of time. Dunno why people think it takes so long.

As for your original statement, Kilmoll, you are wrong is saying that it was/is a waste of time. It is correct to say that it isn't necessary but it is helpful and worthwhile to do. But in any event, if you were actually playing and in an active guild you'd just be bitching about how time won't be necessary for GoD at this point. That's the type of person you are, a whining, slackass, bitch.

Wait, you mean I have to HELP CAMP EMP KEYS TO GET MINE? /guildremove Kilmoll

thats funny i had an ornate BP like 5 months after PoP was out?

Winnow wrote:

Karae wrote:

Winnow wrote:For the record. The 4th guild to finish Time cleared VT but never went back again.

Probably why I said first 3. I suppose I could have mentioned that Valhall was on pace to be the 4th before breaking up. But it's really pointless, since they broke up and weren't.

Im talking about Sovereign not Valhall unless Valhall cleared Time before breaking up.

Hi, you're a fucking moron. Learn to read.

Voronwë wrote:thats funny i had an ornate BP like 5 months after PoP was out?

Good for you. 1 piece of ornate doesn't even begin to make up for VT moronwe.

I was refering to the fact that it was rare to the point of almost nonexistance, and couldn't be used to equip a guild as a consequence. I'll be sure to use clearer language next time since you're obviously too stupid to understand otherwise.

Breastplates were actually quite common off bosses and legs were not extraordinarily rare, it was everything else that was stupid rare...but it did drop very very ultra rarely in bot and tactics.

Karae wrote:

Winnow wrote:

Karae wrote:

Winnow wrote:For the record. The 4th guild to finish Time cleared VT but never went back again.

Probably why I said first 3. I suppose I could have mentioned that Valhall was on pace to be the 4th before breaking up. But it's really pointless, since they broke up and weren't.

Im talking about Sovereign not Valhall unless Valhall cleared Time before breaking up.

Hi, you're a fucking moron. Learn to read.

You came to the rigth place being on the rag. Let it all out. Learn to read what? Your totally unclear posts?

Karae wrote:

Voronwë wrote:thats funny i had an ornate BP like 5 months after PoP was out?

Good for you. 1 piece of ornate doesn't even begin to make up for VT moronwe.

I was refering to the fact that it was rare to the point of almost nonexistance, and couldn't be used to equip a guild as a consequence. I'll be sure to use clearer language next time since you're obviously too stupid to understand otherwise.

LOL moronwe good one. stealing flames from Kylere is pretty fresh.

look if you are too lazy to communicate your points and instead chose to throw in vague generalizations that are in fact bullshit, live with the consequences.

the rest of us believe it or not are not hanging so desperately on your every word that we wish to divine the true meanings of your missives.

as much stomping your feet as you'd like to do about it, you not typing clearly is your issue, not everybody else's on the planet.

I should mention I was on pace to kill 30 giants rats yesterday in East Commons but It's really pointless since I logged instead and never killed all 30.

Or maybe it's just that you're both idiots that don't want to admit you're wrong and are trying to twist what I'm saying so you don't have to.

Nah, no chance of that. Of course farming VT doesn't help in PoP. That's why I'm the best equipped necro in EQ and still have 2 items from there.

Karae wrote:Except ornate didn't exist until almost a year after PoP was released.

You're in the No Spin Zone! The Factor begins in...

err

Karae wrote:Or maybe it's just that you're both idiots that don't want to admit you're wrong and are trying to twist what I'm saying so you don't have to.

Nah, no chance of that. Of course farming VT doesn't help in PoP. That's why I'm the best equipped necro in EQ and still have 2 items from there.

Karae, have you even did VT since POP came out? Sure, if you did a lot of VT before POP, or early in POP when almost no one was there, it would be very helpful to you in POP. But at THIS TIME there is NO point in doing VT, ornate is just as good in most cases, and there is so much competition in VT, that you will prolly end up getting more ornate just trying to advance in POP than you would if you put all your efforts into VT.

edit : I can't type.

Karae wrote:Nah, no chance of that. Of course farming VT doesn't help in PoP. That's why I'm the best equipped necro in EQ and still have 2 items from there.

Did you want a cookie?

And actually, how does your burst DPS stand up serverwide?

Penux

Teh IronSausage!

oh yeah well i have the 10th best ranger megalo in my guild (top 10 fucker!!) and what i said in like the 15th post is still true:

VT is useful but not necessary for PoP progression.