Soldiers puzzled by media slant

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » December 9, 2003, 8:06 pm

Yet again I bump into this sentiment.

http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cf ... -03&cat=II

noel · Post by **noel** » December 9, 2003, 8:09 pm

That's certainly a professional looking piece of news you have there from the Scripps Howard News Service. I look forward to many, many, many more articles with their insightful commentary.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 9, 2003, 8:12 pm

who is scripps howard?!?!

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » December 9, 2003, 8:33 pm

Google says....

Scripps Howard News Service

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 9, 2003, 11:12 pm

Oohh, they have bridal tips! What were you REALLY looking for Adex

Mak · Post by **Mak** » December 9, 2003, 11:42 pm

Scripps-Howard has been around for a long time, iirc. It's certainly not one of those "weekly world news" type sites. I think it was the owner of a lot of newspapers and TV stations in the 40's and later. I think it's founded/funded quite a few journalism schools over the years as well.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » December 10, 2003, 1:53 am

Where is the violation of journalistic ethics that you so quickly dismiss the article?

All I see are soldiers talking about life in Iraq.

miir · Post by **miir** » December 10, 2003, 3:21 am

Well no-fucking-kidding....

Only a moron would believe that the situation in Iraq is a 100% warzone with Iraqis and Americans blowing the shit out of each other nonstop.

There are surely some 'nice' situations in Iraq but the fact remains that this invasion was based on unfounded accuasions and lies by a corrupt American government whos only apparent motives were revenge and the almighty dollar.

I bet the families of the 446 Americans who have been killed in Iraq would feel all warm and fuzzy after reading this article.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » December 10, 2003, 3:00 pm

Rather than treating this information as a threat to your political stance, why not read the article, and use it as a component to help form your political stance?

I'm not your enemy, nor is this article some kind of personal attack on your opinions.

It's just information.

noel · Post by **noel** » December 10, 2003, 3:05 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Rather than treating this information as a threat to your political stance, why not read the article, and use it as a component to help form your political stance?

I'm not your enemy, nor is this article some kind of personal attack on your opinions.

It's just information.

I'll field this one.

The reason is because this small sampling doesn't change the overall political situation one iota. Reread what Miir wrote. He's 100% accurate.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 10, 2003, 3:24 pm

During WW2 some people in the occupied countries in Europe supported the Nazi-Germany as well. Some women married Germans and had their childres. If you wanted to, you could write a narrow article about those people and create a picture of how the countries in general supported the occupying forces.

Would that be true? Of course not.

Nobody believes that the entire Iraqi people is against the American forces. Nobody believes that the entire Iraq is a warzone. However, this article is as slanted as the worse war articles are.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » December 10, 2003, 3:53 pm

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » December 10, 2003, 5:28 pm

THIEF!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 10, 2003, 10:03 pm

Kelshara wrote:During WW2 some people in the occupied countries in Europe supported the Nazi-Germany as well.

You mean like all of Norway?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 10, 2003, 11:02 pm

No, actually you show your lack of knowledge again. The underground resistance was fairly fierce in Norway, and the country was considered too important to lose due to the coast line, so the Germans kept 400-450 000 soldiers there even when Germany was loosing towards the end. It was in fact believed that the soldiers in Norway would keep fighting after Berlin fell.

Your small jabs are pretty weak when you don't know shit about what you are talking about. They end up being fairly amusing though.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » December 10, 2003, 11:19 pm

I thought the norweigan resistance was to keep the allies from taking away your nazi masters?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » December 10, 2003, 11:26 pm

Why must Nazi analogies creep into so many threads?

If you must lean on Miir's conspiracy theories to support your viewpoint, then I urge you to consider the solidity of your stance.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » December 11, 2003, 12:04 am

I could have made an analogy about how some people in Russia wants the Communist regime back. Or a gazillion other analogies. It wouldn't change the point though, now, would it?

miir · Post by **miir** » December 11, 2003, 1:28 am

If you must lean on Miir's conspiracy theories

Haha, what conspiracies?

Dude, Dubya's main focus on his invasion promotion was Saddam's "Weapons of Mass Distruction". It was vital to "Homeland Security" that Saddam be deposed and his "Weapons of Mass Destruction" be dismantled....

I have one question, after America's 9+ months of Iraqi occupation....

Where the fuck are they?

Are you really that fucking ignorant of your govenrment's motives in Iraq?
How many more of your contrymen must die before you get it through your thick fucking head that George W Bush is nothing but a vengeful simpleton?
How much deeper in debt does this moron have to get your country before you open your fucking eyes?

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » December 11, 2003, 1:33 am

Are you really that fucking ignorant of your govenrment's motives in Iraq?
How many more of your contrymen must die before you get it through your thick fucking head that George W Bush is nothing but a vengeful simpleton?
How much deeper in debt does this moron have to get your country before you open your fucking eyes?

Do you know the majority of the nation didnt vote for him?
Do you know the massive protests there were and still are to the war?
Do you really think most Americans think we are there for wmd's?

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » December 11, 2003, 2:28 am

Ah Miir,

They day you and I agree will probably be when we're not talking politics.

I read that article, and found nothing that would make me suspect it was dishonest. I shared it because I've noticed this premise in other articles.

I'm still not sure what spooks you so about it other than the rarity of it's theme, or is it that it so dramatically contradicts your world view that you vehemently reject it? Is it one of those "does not compute" moments?

Did I read eariler that Aranuil? discounts it because so few news sources mention this kind of story.

But in a way, doesn't that go to support the premise of the article?

The people that are actually living there tell a different story than the AP.

That's a good thing to know when you're forming an opinion.

BTW Sionistic, I'm not particularly fond of Bush. But my gut says that he was the better man for the job than the alternative, Mr. Gore.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » December 11, 2003, 3:06 am

I didnt like either person in that election, I just dont like how he paints all Americans as ignorant.

miir · Post by **miir** » December 11, 2003, 3:40 am

I read that article, and found nothing that would make me suspect it was dishonest. I shared it because I've noticed this premise in other articles.

I'm still not sure what spooks you so about it other than the rarity of it's theme, or is it that it so dramatically contradicts your world view that you vehemently reject it? Is it one of those "does not compute" moments?

Are you dense?

The 'article' is a microcosm of the situation in Iraq.

If the 'interviews' were a completely accurate representation of the situation in Iraq, then perhaps you could explain to me why Americans and Iraqis (andt others) are getting slaughtered in armed conflicts on a daily basis. If all is well and good in Iraq why have there been thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of Americans lost in armed conflict the past few months?

I'm not denying the accuracy of the article, I'm merely stating that the experiences of a handful of soldiers is virtually meaningless in the big picture.

Should the opinion of a handful of Iraqis hold more relevance than the thousands willing to give thier lives to kill off the american invaders?

If another contry was to invade and occupy the USA, you can be damn sure you'd find more than a handful of Americans supporting the foreign invaders.

I could throw out hundreds of apt analogies discounting the validity of that particular article but I suspect you're too thick headed to ever understand my point.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » December 11, 2003, 1:34 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:All I see are soldiers talking about life in Iraq.

You could dismiss the article using just this point.

I'd agree with the premise that the media isn't showing the "good side" very much.

However, I'll point out that they really aren't showing the "bad side" either. US media reports of soldiers killed are just quoting numbers. And only the number of soldiers killed.

You don't see the bodies, the mutilations, and the true reality of war.

You don't see the caskets coming home or the funerals. Thank politics for robbing these people of the military honors they deserve.

You don't see the injured and maimed that have returned. You don't even know how many there are.

And you have no idea how many Iraqis you have killed or maimed.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » December 11, 2003, 1:40 pm

didnt read much of this thread, but as far as i know (i'm not a journalist) Scripps-Howard is a "real" news service.

Dalmoth · Post by **Dalmoth** » December 11, 2003, 2:11 pm

All this righteous indignation over soldiers being killed in a "war" zone. You know what, we ARE occupying another country. Don't play dumb and expect nothing to happen and it all to be roses and cream. People die in "war" zones.

People are so anti-war and so caught up on, another 1-2 deaths today they forget that mostly young people are dying in their own streets at a rate that puts those numbers to shame, yet nothing is said about it anywhere because there is no political agenda to support.

Understand its one thing to be against the U.S. using arms to enforce its will on other nations (one thing that I'm not at all in favor of), but it is another thing to condemn it on General Purpose because your favorite party isn't in power. Which is to where MUCH of this stuff can be traced.

Liberals were lining up before the shooting had really even gotten underway stating that all the estimates of needed men and material were GROSSLY underestimated and that we couldn't win a war against the IRAQI military because of this (puh-lease). Bullets, grenades and shrapnel are flying folks, flesh WILL be in the way. Sad as it is, a friend lost a brother in IRAQ, but he was there because he CHOSE to be there and believed in what they were doing. They were losing the economny as a way to attack Bush to get him out of the whitehouse so they have no tried to paint the IRAQ occupation as a complete and utter failure.

Conservatives lined up behind the president in droves hoping to ride his coattails in the coming election after his approval ratings went thru the roof. You can now see some of them backpedalling in order cover their own asses.

I long for a system in which you are unable to run for office if you currently hold office, the never ending running for re-election from day one in office is tiresome.

For my stance, Sadamm is out of power I see this as a good thing for the stability of the area, REGARDLESS of weapons of mass destruction. I do believe they had them and he divested IRAQ of them since we basically gave him a year to do it. But I don't and never believed they had nuclear capability, if we even remotely thought they did we would not have gone in with troops.

And interesting quote I heard the other day, In the eyes of the world America used to chase skirts, now we wear them.

Salis · Post by **Salis** » December 20, 2003, 8:38 am

Man, and I thought I was drunk. That makes about as much sense as eating horseshit.