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If both win out who do you think will be in the Sugar Bowl.

If LSU wins out they will probably end up #2 due to SoS but thats just my guess. Never know what those crazy ass computers will do.[/i]

USC is the better team of the two by far imho. However, when has the two best teams ever played eachother for the championship...

LSU will lose to UGA in the SEC championship.

You mean UGA the team they already beat.

yep, that very same one

I really wish they would jsut get a small playoff system going. Have like three weeks of playoffs with just the top 8 teams. That would prove who was the best.

Zamtuk wrote:LSU will lose to UGA in the SEC championship.

Umm, no.

Deward wrote:I really wish they would jsut get a small playoff system going. Have like three weeks of playoffs with just the top 8 teams. That would prove who was the best.

I'd rather see January Madness!

oregon state beats usc
arkansas beats lsu

michigan goes to the sugar bowl

Hail To The Victors!!!!!!

God that'd be sweet if it happened. A boy can dream, can't he?

I doesn't really matter who plays OU. I do not believe any team has a chance against them.

xZiBiT wrote:oregon state beats usc
arkansas beats lsu

michigan goes to the sugar bowl

Hail To The Victors!!!!!!

LSU would still have to beat Georgia in the SEC title game for Michigan to slide into Nawlins for New Year's.

masteen wrote:LSU would still have to beat Georgia in the SEC title game for Michigan to slide into Nawlins for New Year's.

no, if LSU beats Georgia, they stay in front of UM. If they lose then UM goes ahead.

In other exciting news, most of ESPN's "experts" are picking the Orange Bowl to be a rematch between Miami and OSU. I don't know who I'd take in that bet.

OSU, if they play like they did against Michigan anyway.

Zamtuk wrote:

masteen wrote:LSU would still have to beat Georgia in the SEC title game for Michigan to slide into Nawlins for New Year's.

no, if LSU beats Georgia, they stay in front of UM. If they lose then UM goes ahead.

I was playing along with Xbit's fantasy about the Hogs beating LSU.

masteen wrote:

Zamtuk wrote:

masteen wrote:LSU would still have to beat Georgia in the SEC title game for Michigan to slide into Nawlins for New Year's.

no, if LSU beats Georgia, they stay in front of UM. If they lose then UM goes ahead.

I was playing along with Xbit's fantasy about the Hogs beating LSU.

if arkansas beats lsu, it won't matter what georgia does to lsu i.e. lsu will fall somewhere around 7 or 8 in the BSC race and thus damage georgia strength of schedule regardless of if they defeat LSU or not

don't forget, strength of schedule is based calculated by 66% of your opponents strength of scedule and 33% of your opponents' opponents strength of scedule

LSU's strentgh of schedule leaves them only 1.2 points ahead of Michigan in the BCS

michigan will also move up to number 3 in both polls if LSU loses and lower its BCS score

the only way georgia has a shot to pass michigan is if the hogs lose to LSU and georgia beats LSU, but then its still unlikely

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSRankings

michigan is #4 in the bcs right now, georgia is #7

georgia has to make up a lot of ground with only 1 game left (I think)

all this talk is useless anyways cause OU will dominate whoever they play

xZiBiT wrote:all this talk is useless anyways cause OU will dominate whoever they play

yeah, cause OU plays nothing but great teams, 2 of which are even ranked! WOW!

seriously, all this OU is god shit sounds familiar to me...

'02 Miami anyone?

seriously, all this OU is god shit sounds familiar to me...

'02 Miami anyone?

Uhh... no?

Miami last year was obviously on a similar level to several other teams. If you recall, Florida State missed a 43-yard field goal to hand Miami one game. Rutgers took them down to the line, leading in the second half. Pitt was six inches away from overtime.

Miami was obviously excellent, but not dominant. A number of teams had chances to beat them.

Compare that to Oklahoma's scores this year: 37-3, 20-13, 52-28, 59-24, 53-7, 65-13, 34-13, 34-20, 52-9, 77-0, 41-3 and 56-25.

The only close game was Alabama in week two, but that game wasn't the sort of scare that Pitt-Miami was last year, or even Rutgers-Miami.

They've won eight games this year by more than 30 points. Eight. Miami won only four by that margin last year. The two teams are not comparable.

OU's games this year:

August 30 North Texas W 37-3 1-0 (0-0 Big 12) - wow, those southern belt teams are nasty....

September 6 at Alabama W 20-13 2-0 (0-0 Big 12) - 2-6 against a respectable division and they kept it within one score

September 13 Fresno State W 52-28 3-0 (0-0 Big 12) - had some big games last year....last year, and still put up 28 points.

September 20 UCLA W 59-24 4-0 (0-0 Big 12) - while the 59 points excite most, I look at the 24 points.

October 4 at Iowa State W 53-7 5-0 (1-0 Big 12) - Iowa St. has been known to pull some upset, so I will commend them on this game

October 11 at No. 11 Texas W 65-13 6-0 (2-0 Big 12) - UT = overrated pieces of shit, still another commendable game on OU's behalf.

October 18 Missouri W 34-13 7-0 (3-0 Big 12) - ok

October 25 at Colorado W 34-20 8-0 (4-0 Big 12) - 20 points...

November 1 No. 15 Oklahoma State W 52-9 9-0 (5-0 Big 12) - I will commend them on this game as well.

November 8 Texas A&M W 77-0 10-0 (6-0 Big 12) - I expected an assraping, but not this bad.

November 15 Baylor W 41-3 11-0 (7-0 Big 12) - It's fucking Baylor.

November 22 at Texas Tech W 56-25 12-0 (8-0 Big 12) - 25 points from a 7-5 team.

Some people may wonder why I included the other teams points in a few of the opinions. Well, its arguable that those teams that they played against had for shit defenses. Hell the numbers show that and pull it out of the range of arguable almost to fact. The teams they will be playing January 4th will have a defense, and if you let them put up numbers like 25, 24 and so forth, you could be in for a loss. And there is nothing Jason White can do if DB_01 picks you off time and time again.

I am not comparing OU to last years UM, it would be stupid. But I am comparing the hype. But, hey, lets argue about this countless times in countless threads while we won't find out until January 4th. And for the record, I think OU would beat the piss out of USC.

I don't think they would beat the Piss out of USC or LSU. LSU has arguably the best D in the country depending on what you look for. While OU has the lowest ypg avg and LSU the 3rd only trailing by 23 ypg. Scoring - LSU has the best scoring D beating OU by 4 points. Rushing - LSU again number 1 and OU 10. Passing - OU number 2 beats LSU by 60 ypg.

I think either game would be a lot closer than most think. The best D OU has played all year was North Texas who gives up 100 more ypg than LSU and the best scoring D was Fresno State who gives up over 21 points a game. Deffense wins games and USC has a good D and LSU has a D as good as OUs

Yeah, but Zamtuk hasn't learned to read past the first page of the Monkey Times to see that some of those teams are/were better than he thinks. He's stuck on the fact that he doesn't think Oklahoma is good enough to win it all. I hope they don't, but I actually watch their games. He just looks at stats that he doesn't fully understand and posts them here. Just like that useless Oklahoma State game that he referred to as over-hyped a while back as well, even though he didn't seem to realize that Oklahoma State is the team that beat them the last two years...but now he commends them on that game. Also, his comment about commending them on beating Iowa State just shows how little he knows about anything outside whatever "his" conference is.

Basically, Zamtuk's predictions are biased somehow towards whatever team it is he likes, and I think he secretly wants Central Florida to make it to the Fiesta Bowl or something. Watch more than the highlights on Sportscenter, and read more than the scores on the front pages. Then come back and claim to know something about the caliber of team you think is overrated.

When you do that, you can also include the records of the teams that they played. You can also include when/if those teams WERE ranked at one time or another during the season rather than just at the time of the game (more proof that you don't look past the schedule/score section).

OU offense - Good.
OU defense - Not as good.

USC offense - Good.
USC defense - Good.

OU probably will win, but they DO have given up a few more points in some games than they probably should have.

Zamtuk wrote:OU's games this year:

August 30 North Texas W 37-3 1-0 (0-0 Big 12) - wow, those southern belt teams are nasty....

September 6 at Alabama W 20-13 2-0 (0-0 Big 12) - 2-6 against a respectable division and they kept it within one score

September 13 Fresno State W 52-28 3-0 (0-0 Big 12) - had some big games last year....last year, and still put up 28 points.

September 20 UCLA W 59-24 4-0 (0-0 Big 12) - while the 59 points excite most, I look at the 24 points.

October 4 at Iowa State W 53-7 5-0 (1-0 Big 12) - Iowa St. has been known to pull some upset, so I will commend them on this game

October 11 at No. 11 Texas W 65-13 6-0 (2-0 Big 12) - UT = overrated pieces of shit, still another commendable game on OU's behalf.

October 18 Missouri W 34-13 7-0 (3-0 Big 12) - ok

October 25 at Colorado W 34-20 8-0 (4-0 Big 12) - 20 points...

November 1 No. 15 Oklahoma State W 52-9 9-0 (5-0 Big 12) - I will commend them on this game as well.

November 8 Texas A&M W 77-0 10-0 (6-0 Big 12) - I expected an assraping, but not this bad.

November 15 Baylor W 41-3 11-0 (7-0 Big 12) - It's fucking Baylor.

November 22 at Texas Tech W 56-25 12-0 (8-0 Big 12) - 25 points from a 7-5 team.

Some people may wonder why I included the other teams points in a few of the opinions. Well, its arguable that those teams that they played against had for shit defenses. Hell the numbers show that and pull it out of the range of arguable almost to fact. The teams they will be playing January 4th will have a defense, and if you let them put up numbers like 25, 24 and so forth, you could be in for a loss. And there is nothing Jason White can do if DB_01 picks you off time and time again.

I am not comparing OU to last years UM, it would be stupid. But I am comparing the hype. But, hey, lets argue about this countless times in countless threads while we won't find out until January 4th. And for the record, I think OU would beat the piss out of USC.

what do the scores prove and who they have beaten prove? go to look up usc and lsu and see who they have beaten

the only ranked opponents usc has beaten is a underachieving auburn team and a mediocre washington state team (neither of those teams is near the caliber of texas or oklahoma state)

lsu has beaten perrenial powers like lousiana monroe and western illinois

the point being is that every team plays cupcakes, and if you want to bring a team's opponents into the mix look at the BCS strength of schedule

OU #10
USC #39
LSU #61 (that right their strength of schedule is 61 out of 117 Div-IA schools)

p.s. an 8 team playoff would squash any of this debate, now if only the damned NCAA would make this a reality

Boogahz wrote:Yeah, but Zamtuk hasn't learned to read past the first page of the Monkey Times to see that some of those teams are/were better than he thinks. He's stuck on the fact that he doesn't think Oklahoma is good enough to win it all. I hope they don't, but I actually watch their games. He just looks at stats that he doesn't fully understand and posts them here. Just like that useless Oklahoma State game that he referred to as over-hyped a while back as well, even though he didn't seem to realize that Oklahoma State is the team that beat them the last two years...but now he commends them on that game. Also, his comment about commending them on beating Iowa State just shows how little he knows about anything outside whatever "his" conference is.

Actually, I commended on them winning those game BECAUSE of their ability of upset great team. Iowa State has pulled some upsets just as well as OSU. I am well aware of their past meetings and was hoping for the same this year.

Basically, Zamtuk's predictions are biased somehow towards whatever team it is he likes, and I think he secretly wants Central Florida to make it to the Fiesta Bowl or something. Watch more than the highlights on Sportscenter, and read more than the scores on the front pages. Then come back and claim to know something about the caliber of team you think is overrated.

You go from saying I only look at stats to telling me to look at more scores (not to mention I posted all the scores). Umm, ok. Like I have said in every single post about OU, and must now repeat because you seem to harp on the same thing every else does; I am not saying anything about the caliber of OU, I am saying something about the calibers of the teams they play.

When you do that, you can also include the records of the teams that they played. You can also include when/if those teams WERE ranked at one time or another during the season rather than just at the time of the game (more proof that you don't look past the schedule/score section).

The fact is they do play a lot of winning teams, but their records are like 7-6, 6-5, 8-3, etc. I am not biased towards anything in my previous statement. I am just pointing out that they, may *not* be as good as everyone (including you) think they are. And only two of those teams WERE ranked. It is the same two teams that ARE ranked. We will just find out Jan. 4th.[/quote]

Zamtuk wrote:OU's games this year:

September 13 Fresno State W 52-28 3-0 (0-0 Big 12) - had some big games last year....last year, and still put up 28 points.

September 20 UCLA W 59-24 4-0 (0-0 Big 12) - while the 59 points excite most, I look at the 24 points.

November 22 at Texas Tech W 56-25 12-0 (8-0 Big 12) - 25 points from a 7-5 team.

because i thought it was ludicrous just wanted to pick apart your argument a little further

Let me set the stage for the Fresno State game, 45-7 OU in the fourth quarter, OU sends in the third stringers, Fresno scores 21 on the backups

heres the boxscore:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232560201

OU beats UCLA 59-24
USC beats UCLA 47-22

go ahead look at the 24 points cause i'll look at the 22 they scored on usc

OU 56 TT 25
you say 25 points from the 7-5 team, i say 25 points by the #1 ranked offense in the nation, the same team that averaged 500+yds/gm passing and 600+yds/gm total before they went up against OU

OU held them to 230 through the air
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=233262641

Kelshara wrote:OU offense - Good.
OU defense - Not as good.

USC offense - Good.
USC defense - Good.

Go here:
http://www.foxsports.com/named/FS/CFB/statsTeamIndex

Look at the defensive team rankings for anything. Then rethink your argument.

USC is #23 in ypg against, OU plays the #1 offensive team in the nation and they are still #1 defensive team in ypg against

OU is also better in scoring defense

Denadeb wrote: I don't think they would beat the Piss out of USC or LSU. LSU has arguably the best D in the country depending on what you look for. While OU has the lowest ypg avg and LSU the 3rd only trailing by 23 ypg. Scoring - LSU has the best scoring D beating OU by 4 points. Rushing - LSU again number 1 and OU 10. Passing - OU number 2 beats LSU by 60 ypg.

I think either game would be a lot closer than most think. The best D OU has played all year was North Texas who gives up 100 more ypg than LSU and the best scoring D was Fresno State who gives up over 21 points a game. Deffense wins games and USC has a good D and LSU has a D as good as OUs

let me congratulate you on using some facts as the basis of your argument, OU hasn't played "top" defenses in the rankings but lets not forget what they did to the defenses they played against, 65 on texas, factor out those 65 points OU laid on texas and texas allows 16.2 ppg scoring defense against the rest of its schedule, that not shabby

and if i could ask you a question, show me the top ranked offensive team that LSU played?

florida the team that beat them is ranked #44 in ypg net and that is the highest ranking of any team they have played against (texas a&m is #42, and we all no what OU did to them)

florida is also the best in ppg with 30.8 ppg which is #42 in the nation (oklahoma is #1, texas tech #2, and texas #3 in the nation in ppg)

now i can return to my masterbation session and masterbate in peace

read wrong will fix later.

Here's what I don't understand

And for the record, I think OU would beat the piss out of USC.

OK we have the #1 offense in the nation, arguably the #1 defense in the nation, and you admit that we would "beat the piss" out of the #2 ranked team in the nation. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ARGUING?

It's tremendously ironic that an ohio st. fan thinks OU is overrated. I ask you again, what team is better than OU?

Look at the defensive team rankings for anything. Then rethink your argument.

I didn't compare the two teams, I was making a general statement. But arguing with you is a waste of time because you got the intelligence of a retarded mule.

Kelshara wrote:

Look at the defensive team rankings for anything. Then rethink your argument.

I didn't compare the two teams, I was making a general statement. But arguing with you is a waste of time because you got the intelligence of a retarded mule.

i was just pointing out your "general statement" is completely asinine because you obviously didn't check to see that OU's defense is better than USC's defense

and i apologize to everyone for sounding like an asshole, i don't mean to be rude, but i hate when people make arguments without providing solid evidence

if you provided solid evidence as to why one team is better than the other, i can respect your perspectives (no matter how wrong they may be )

please excuse me while my mule ass pulls the OU bandwagon

Xyun wrote:Here's what I don't understand

And for the record, I think OU would beat the piss out of USC.

OK we have the #1 offense in the nation, arguably the #1 defense in the nation, and you admit that we would "beat the piss" out of the #2 ranked team in the nation. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ARGUING?

It's tremendously ironic that an ohio st. fan thinks OU is overrated. I ask you again, what team is better than OU?

They do have the number 1 offense no doubt. But they don't have the best defense, that isn't even arguable. At all, period. I am not an OSU fan, I will root for them mainly because I'm from Columbus. I am, ironically, a Michigan fan. (hey, betting against OSU during the Cooper era was smart money)

Who do I think could beat OU? LSU, UM, possibly USC (though, I wouldn't bet on it), and a handful of other defensive teams.

go ahead look at the 24 points cause i'll look at the 22 they scored on usc

umm, good for you...

I just have one question for all you OU praisers. What will you say if they lose? You have obviously dug yourselves a big enough hole to make a new ocean, what will happen if you're wrong? If I am wrong and they do win it all, I will give them their due, all the while cursing the bcs committee for not doing a playoff system.

Zamtuk wrote: I just have one question for all you OU praisers. What will you say if they lose? You have obviously dug yourselves a big enough hole to make a new ocean, what will happen if you're wrong? If I am wrong and they do win it all, I will give them their due, all the while cursing the bcs committee for not doing a playoff system.

Hell, I'm a tried and true UofM fan, too. I am praying for a UofM vs OU match-up that why i played out the scenario in my first post in this thread. If it does happen, I will just cross my fingers and pray that U of M comes out as #1.

I'm by far not an OU supporter but the scores that were posted and the "general statements" that were made were misleading

EDIT: spelling owns me

Kelshara wrote:OU offense - Good.
OU defense - Not as good.

USC offense - Good.
USC defense - Good.

General statement? Are you implying OU's defense isn't as good as their offense? That's because their offense is no. 1 and their defense is no. 3

Or are you trying to say that USC is a better team because their entire team is good and OU has weaknesses?

USC's offense is 5th and their defense is 19th. So does that make their defense "Not as good" as well? How exactly were you trying to spin your general statement?

Zamtuk wrote:I just have one question for all you OU praisers. What will you say if they lose?

The better question is, what will you say if OU beats whatever opponent by a margin of 30 or more? You won't see OU's 3rd string defense on the field like you did in those games you mock them for.

Ok personally I hate OU with a passion, however, I also love college football and I haven't seen a team as dominate OU in a very long time. I've seen them play against North Texas, Texas, Texas A&M, OK St. and Texas Tech and the important thing about the stats and scores that were posted is that except for the Alabama game it hasn't even been close. For a team as dominate as OU you have to look at the first two quaters of games when both teams are playing their first strings and if you look at that the score is really telling (324 to 46).

Offensive teams LSU played.

Louisiana Tech #25 avg ppg 26.9 held to 10 points
Ole Miss #22 Avg ppg 34.5 only scored 1 TD on the D
UGA # 46 avg ppg 26.4 held to 10 points

All 3 have very good QBs Ole Miss having arguably the best QB in college at this time weren't able to do anything.

LSU has another strong offensive team this week in Arkansas.

People saying LSU SoS is weak havn't said anything about them playing another ranked team this week and if they win that game another most likely top 10 team. USC's SoS will be damn near the same if not worse than LSU's by the end of the season.

With a win over Arkansas this week its very possible LSU could jump USC in the BCS. LSU is #2 in 2 comps #3 in 2 comps and #4 in 2 comps. So its very possible for them to move up in those other 4 comps. I don't count the NYT comp cause its been trowing out crazy numbers all year.

Saying a team beat a team that was good last year or the year before is bullshit. On any given Sat. ANY team can win.

Look at last years teams and compare them to this years. Penn State anyone? UM? I can go on and on.



The point is. OK hasnt played anyone that is in their league * meaning in their range*. They are good, but they arnt the best. They just have lady luck on their side, and have played a majorty of weak teams.


You can praise Texas, Texas Tech, OK state all you want. Look at the teams they have played. Weak Teams beating Weak teams. On to other teams they have played outside of the 3 I mentioned. What are their records? Shitty. Peirod. LOOK AT THEIR RECORDS, AND WHO THEY HAVE PLAYED. SHIT. PURE SIMPLE SHIT.


This is nothing but facts.


I think Michigan would win vs OK. I think even Ohio would beat them. Im pretty sure OK would beat the fuck out of Penn State. Thats a diffrent matter tho! These 2 teams have the defense to stop them dead.

Denadeb wrote:Offensive teams LSU played.

Louisiana Tech #25 avg ppg 26.9 held to 10 points
Ole Miss #22 Avg ppg 34.5 only scored 1 TD on the D
UGA # 46 avg ppg 26.4 held to 10 points

not trying to beat a dead horse or anything, Ole miss is #22 and arkansas is #20 (i made a mistake in a previous post about LSU)
I'm using this for the purposes of disputing defensive arguments between OU and LSU that have been made here

however, i must contest that those offenses are nothing of the caliber that OU has faced

Texas Tech #2 (25 points)
Texas #3 (13 points)
Oklahoma State #10 (9 points)
Kansas State #8 (Dec 6, Big 12 Championship game)
(not to mention that the #1 defense in the nation faces the #1 offensive team in the nation everyday in practice and vice versa)

Denadeb wrote:People saying LSU SoS is weak havn't said anything about them playing another ranked team this week and if they win that game another most likely top 10 team. USC's SoS will be damn near the same if not worse than LSU's by the end of the season.

With a win over Arkansas this week its very possible LSU could jump USC in the BCS. LSU is #2 in 2 comps #3 in 2 comps and #4 in 2 comps. So its very possible for them to move up in those other 4 comps. I don't count the NYT comp cause its been trowing out crazy numbers all year.

i don't dispute LSU may be better than USC, i just hope both of them lose so Michigan can slip into the title game

What I meant with my statement is pretty simple (I might not have worded it very good though, I'll gladly admit that:

- OU's offense is better than their defense.
- USC's Offense and Defense are more balanced.

That said, I don't really believe in looking at pure stats to judge a team. Like for instance, Texas Tech's offense is ranked very high but they are fairly one-dimensional. Or Jason White's QB ratings are off the chart, but he is far from the best QB in NCAA atm. A defense might not be ranked #1 by numbers, but they can still be the best defense in actually playing. Makes sense?

Personally, I believe UM could give OU a hell of a game and might stand a good chance in beating them. I believe OSU might as well, and *maybe* USC. I also believe that OU's defense might be overrated and that it could run into some problems against a balanced good offense.

Well LSU destroyed Arkansas so if they play Fla or Tenn in the Championship game they will more than likely pass USC if they play UGA they might and they might not due to beating UGA again will hurt there SoS.

unless UF beats them again.

Since they are playing Georgia, if LSU beats them again, georgia will fall out of the BCS's top ten and thus LSU will not get any quality of win points which will make it harder for them to pass USC.

What they Loose in Quality points they will make up in SoS. Its ashame though they loose the Quality points. They really need to fix it so if you beat a team earlier in the season and you play them again for the confrence you don't get penalized.

(SoS from beating Georgia the second time) * 0.04 < 0.5 (deduction for beating Georgia the first time)

Can I choose BOTH?

Tyek wrote:Can I choose BOTH?

I feel the same way. The only team I think that shouldn't play for the national championship is OU. Its really going to be horrible if USC ends up number 1 in both polls and doesn't have a oppurtinity to play for the NC.

BCS teh suck