Assinine

Siji · Post by **Siji** » October 8, 2003, 10:20 pm

A hundred apologies and naked celestial virgins on your doorstep if this has been posted already..

But holy fuck would someone please just wipe out the human race plzkthx!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... rc/1822975

Teenager In Trouble In Inhaler Incident

A teenager was disciplined for sharing medication used to treat asthma, but he said it saved his girlfriend's life, News2Houston reported Wednesday.

Andra Ferguson and her boyfriend, Brandon Kivi, both 15, use the same type of asthma medicine, Albuterol Inhalation Aerosol.

Ferguson said she forgot to bring her medication to their school, Caney Creek High School, on Sept. 24. When she had trouble breathing, she went to the nurse's office.

Out of concern, Kivi let her use his inhaler.

"I was trying to save her life. I didn't want her to die on me right there because the nurse's office (doesn't) have breathing machines," Kivi said.

"It made a big difference. It did save my life. It was a Good Samaritan act," Ferguson said.

But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police.

The next day, he was arrested and accused of delivering a dangerous drug. Kivi was also suspended from school for three days. He could face expulsion and sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges.

The mothers of both teenagers are angry.

"My son will not go to jail. This is ridiculous," said Theresa Hock, Kivi's mother. "I believe he shouldn't be punished at all because he was helping her. She was in distress."

"If he hadn't helped her, she would have passed out or died or something because her asthma's been really bad this year," said Sandra Ferguson, Andra's mother.

The school principal said he couldn't do anything about it since Kivi not only broke school rules, but also allegedly violated state law.

"It's simply a matter that it's classified as a dangerous drug. It's an inhaler form, but yet, if it had been in pill form or any other, it's still classified as a dangerous drug," said Greg Poole, the Caney Creek principal.

"Would Caney Creek had want Andra to have died rather than my son to help her?" Hock said.

Poole said the nurse never considered Andra to be in a life-threatening situation.

The school district will hold a hearing on the matter Friday.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 8, 2003, 10:49 pm

arnt there laws saying that a person cant be held legaly responsible for any damages done to a person if they are saving the victim from a potentially fatal danger? or was that just with first aid?

Jaxomer · Post by **Jaxomer** » October 8, 2003, 11:02 pm

But couldn't you argue that Kivi was administering first aid? I think this is a fucking joke, they need to look at this realistically and make a judgement call.

I can understand that these rules and laws are in place to protect our children. That's fine. They fail to see that they cannot make these huge, sweeping rules and not allow for some exceptions. If they don't then stupid shit like this happens.

Pahreyia · Post by **Pahreyia** » October 8, 2003, 11:06 pm

I'd be willing to bet that 4 out of 5 lawyers would say that school district just opened themselves up to a HUGE lawsuit. Grats them, jackasses.

Trias · Post by **Trias** » October 8, 2003, 11:10 pm

if i was either kids' parent i'd fucking kill that nurse

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » October 8, 2003, 11:19 pm

For real, if they wanna see drug abuse they should come to my school lol, people bring all sorts of prescription shit to school and hand em out like candy, from Adderol (speed), to Muscle Relaxers, its nuts (of course, the Adminstration is full of dumbasses and they can never catch anyone, even though people do it in the fucking classrooms while TEACHERS ARE IN THERE).

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 8, 2003, 11:32 pm

Everyone wants "No tolerance" drug policies, then bitches up a storm when they're enforced. Tough shit, you can't have it both ways. You can give the principal the responsibility and authority to run his school, and take the heat if he screws up. Or you can place the matter in the hands of a no-tolerance policy and make it no ones fault.

Any non-flexible rule takes people (personal accountability and responsibility) out of the equation and is just asking for trouble. That's usually the intent, someone can point to the rule and say "Look! We have a rule against that! Not my fault.".

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » October 8, 2003, 11:57 pm

...zero tolerance is why kids hit the breaking point and bring a gun to school...

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 9, 2003, 12:03 am

Sionistic wrote:arnt there laws saying that a person cant be held legaly responsible for any damages done to a person if they are saving the victim from a potentially fatal danger? or was that just with first aid?

Think you're referring to the "Good Samaritan Act" mentioned in the article. It's there in some states as it's not a federal law I believe, but it's also too vague. People still find ways to sue the person who "saved" their life. Sad.

As for the school system going after the student...what fucking dangerous drug did he deliver? They were both on the same medication to begin with. If they were seeing each other, my guess is that they knew this as well. It almost sounded like the Principal was just saying what he "had" to say, rather than what he "wanted" to say...but then again, this is just print media, so it is hard to tell.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » October 9, 2003, 12:04 am

Deneve wrote:...zero tolerance is why kids hit the breaking point and bring a gun to school...

Yep, at my school and all schools around my area if you get in a big fight, regardless of what happened, both people are suspended for 3 days. You could be just standing in the halls and someone thats pissed off at the world pick up something and proceed to beat the shit out of you for no reason and you would be suspended for 3 days. Or if people fuck with you, make fun of you, pick on you until finally you snap and beat the shit out of someone, your suspended for 3 days, even more if you end up screaming and cussing at em during it (happened many many times and they still do nothing). Teachers see kids fucking with other kids and do nothing til they get in a fight just so they can say, 3 days for both of you, and not have to worry about taking responsibility.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » October 9, 2003, 12:14 am

same thing for central florida, spineless pussies

Taly · Post by **Taly** » October 9, 2003, 3:09 am

good god! That is just pathetic. Cheers to the kid who saved his GF's life. Screw the nurse.

Eleani · Post by **Eleani** » October 9, 2003, 3:41 am

This shit is almost as bad as what went down here in NC last week

This kid's late for school... so he borrows his mother's caravan and drove to school, despite being sick, to take his math test. Low and behold there was a toy gun in the car, along with numerous other toys belonging to his younger brother. Well, the state's no weapon policy was put into effect when the security guard who was walking the premises (and looking in cars!) saw the gun. The kid was immediately suspended for 10 days and later expelled for the rest of the year by the school board...

A toy fucking gun... one he didn't even know was there. They expelled him under the "zero tolerance" weapons policy. Stupid asses

They later recanted and allowed him back in school when the finally removed their heads from their asses

Karae · Post by **Karae** » October 9, 2003, 5:27 am

If I ever see someone dying I plan to run in the opposite direction as fast as I possibly can.

Janx · Post by **Janx** » October 9, 2003, 6:38 am

Karae wrote:If I ever see someone dying I plan to run in the opposite direction as fast as I possibly can.

Take their valuables first.

Tegellan · Post by **Tegellan** » October 9, 2003, 6:58 am

That is beyond idiotic, no tolerance policies are bullshit anyway, you always need to asses the situation.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 9, 2003, 7:05 am

Zero tolerance rules are in place for a reason. Mainly to to simplify the rules to avoid frivolous lawsuits by zealous parents. I don't particularly agree with them but without them pracitcally everyone grabs a lawyer and sues the school district every time the school administration tries to discipline their child. I recall reading an article about the birth of ZT policies in schools and the author citing examples of multiple urban high schools, some of them with a half dozen or more active lawsuits at any given time over disciplinary actions. Generally ZT policies are absolute and not very open to interpretation and therefore most lawyers consider them to be uncontestable. There have been some absurd cases like that grade schooler that got expelled for pointing a chicken finger at his teacher and saying "bang" and the teacher "felt threatened."

He could have easily avoided the situation by not giving her any prescription medication. Somehow I don't think we are getting the full story from the students/parents side. I'm not really the kind of person that is going to buy a story that she was so asthmatic that she was about to die right there on the spot if she didn't get a shot of her boyfriend's inhaler. I'm not an expert on asthma but I've never known an asmathic that bad, and generally inhalers just contain some type of steroid to facilitate breathing better. If the school nurse honestly thought she was in some kind of medical emergency she probably wouldn't have made a big deal of out if.

If they start making exceptions to zero tolerance policies then I honestly fail to see the point of them at all. You might as well drop them entirely and going back to trying to discipline kids with litigation attornies hanging over their heads.

It's pretty much the student's responsibility for being aware of the zero tolerance polcies and what offenses fall under them. If sharing prescription drugs and bringing toy weapons onto school property are governed by ZT policies (they are), then don't fucking do it. Just because you break a law by accident doesn't make you any less culpable.

Zero tolerance is the school's answer to the litigious society we live in. But if you can think of a better way to administrate discipline in a modern school system when the admin to staff ratio is shrinking almost as fast as the teacher to student ratio. There's more drugs in schools than there ever was, more crime, more weapons, more violence, and no money to combat it all effectively.

Also, you can be sued for administering first aid, even if you do it properly. There are multiple examples of successful lawsuits where the plaintiff was injured during CPR after drowning or a heart attack. Especially lifeguards get hit with this. It's not hard to crack or break a few ribs if you are administering CPR properly and they get sued for it all the time.

The US is in pretty bad need of torte reform.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 9, 2003, 7:24 am

kyoukan wrote:...frivolous lawsuits by zealous parents.

The US is in pretty bad need of torte reform.

By melodramatic money grubbing asshole parents (and others) who sue at the drop of the hat. "My Johnny would never do that!" I blame network television

There's a ~13 year old kid down the street that none of the other kids in the neighborhood will hang out with. He's a destructive, psychotic little shit whose mother can't see that he's the problem. It's everyone else in her view, of course she's a loon too so go figure.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 9, 2003, 9:08 am

That cracking rib example brought back memories. I used to be a lifeguard some 16 years ago and still remember how common an occurence cracked ribs can be while administering CPR. If you are licensed to perform CPR and do not, you can be sued as well.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I can't fucking stand lawyers

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 9, 2003, 10:47 am

Zero tolerance rules are beyond idiotic.

Language will never be able to encompass every situation, no matter how many trees you kill trying to write it all down. When you take away discretion, you create injustice.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » October 9, 2003, 11:17 am

kyoukan wrote:Also, you can be sued for administering first aid, even if you do it properly. There are multiple examples of successful lawsuits where the plaintiff was injured during CPR after drowning or a heart attack. Especially lifeguards get hit with this. It's not hard to crack or break a few ribs if you are administering CPR properly and they get sued for it all the time.

The US is in pretty bad need of torte reform.

No. Most, but not all, states have "good samaritan" laws that free adult bystanders from liability if they percieve a situation to be life threatening and are trying to administer CPR and/or first aid to an injured person.

Tort (no e, this isn't the Queen's Court, you hussy!) laws are indeed being reformed, although in most cases it is for the benefit of insurance companies, government and large corporations to limit the amount of liability they have.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » October 9, 2003, 11:19 am

Tort reform is a hot subject in my state at the moment. Something has to be done to limit damage awards, as malpractice insurance is becoming so outrageously expensive that specialist doctors are simply closing up shop.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 9, 2003, 11:26 am

Fallanthas wrote:malpractice insurance is becoming so outrageously expensive that specialist doctors are simply closing up shop.

Yes and no. What's happening is they are moving to areas without the "Lets sue!" mentality.

The dermatologist I visited last week had moved from the next county over to ours. I didn't ask the question directly, but I gathered he did so because his customer base contained too many assholes. He'll definately make less money out where I live than in a metro area.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 9, 2003, 1:47 pm

Karae wrote:If I ever see someone dying I plan to run in the opposite direction as fast as I possibly can.

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode. Some guy (most likely a doctor) is working to save a person on the street and someone says "Good work Doctor!" The guy says, "Oh no, I'm not a doctor!"

Or something along those lines. We have a sue crazy society!

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 9, 2003, 2:30 pm

I said it once, I'll say it again...FUCK LAYWERS.

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » October 9, 2003, 3:26 pm

Zero Tolerance = Zero Thought.

If a neighborhood or society is too fucking busy to look at each case individially on its own merits, then take the law or policy off the Goddamn books.

That is all.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » October 9, 2003, 3:36 pm

I said it once, I'll say it again...FUCK LAYWERS

Don't hate the players, hate the game.
It's as much your judges' faults for not laughing these asshats out of court in the first place. If the judges aren't allowed to laugh them out, change the system.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » October 9, 2003, 4:26 pm

lawyers are just a symptom of a worse problem.

cases can't be looked at for their individual merit because if it's left up for people to decide for themselves then their decision will usually be opened up for interpretation of the court. it's very easy to not get in trouble with a zero tolerance policy by not fucking breaking any of them.

mmm torte reform. I must have been hungry when I posted that.

Spicy Mexican Torte
Serving Size : 8

8 ounces chorizo sausage, casings removed
1 cup chopped onions
2 Clove Garlic,finely chopped
1 can (4 ounces) chopped green -- Chilis, drained
8 teaspoons Flour tortillas*
2 cups shredded Monterey Jack or a Mexican Blend
1 can (16 ounces) refried beans
1 jar (7 ounces) roasted red peppers, drained

Cook sausage, onions and garlic in 10-inch skillet over medium heat, stirring occasionally, until sausage is done; drain. Stir in green chilies; set aside. Heat oven to 400°. Grease pie plate, 10 X 1 1/2 inches.
Place 2 tortillas in pie plate. Spread half of the sausage mixture over tortillas. HOOKERWHORESLUT with half of the cheese. Place 2 tortillas on cheese.
Spread with beans. Place 2 tortillas on beans and place peppers on tortillas. Place 2 tortillas on peppers. Spread with remaining sausage mixture. HOOKERWHORESLUT with remaining cheese. Cover and bake 40 minutes. Uncover and bake 15 minutes or until cheese is melted and center is hot. Cool 10 minutes before cutting. Serve with salsa, sour cream or Guacamole if desired. Serves 8.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » October 9, 2003, 4:52 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
I said it once, I'll say it again...FUCK LAYWERS
Don't hate the players, hate the game.
It's as much your judges' faults for not laughing these asshats out of court in the first place. If the judges aren't allowed to laugh them out, change the system.

The players created the game. These judges were once lawyers themselves.

mmmmmmmm.....chorizo.

Deneve · Post by **Deneve** » October 9, 2003, 10:53 pm

Aabidano wrote:There's a ~13 year old kid down the street that none of the other kids in the neighborhood will hang out with. He's a destructive, psychotic little shit whose mother can't see that he's the problem. It's everyone else in her view, of course she's a loon too so go figure.

haha, my 8 year old brother was at a friend's house and some, like 12 year old neighbor kids came out with airsoft guns and shot at them, hitting my little brother's friend in the leg and sending the younger ones running inside...so i told my little brother that if they do it again let me know, i'll sit in the bushes down the street and shoot them somewhere in the leg with scope pellet gun...donna think they'll be too wild bout shooting other kids again

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » October 9, 2003, 11:05 pm

When I was younger some kids thought it would be funny to throw golf balls at my house. So I went inside and grabbed my pellet gun, pulled the blinds down on my window, sat there and waited for them to come back. Sure enough he comes back with his buddies to show them. He threw another one and I nailed him.. Little prick wasn't too happy but he had it coming to him.

Melrin_Specclaster · Post by **Melrin_Specclaster** » October 10, 2003, 2:05 pm

I had a sped picking on me in high school cause we had a zero tolerance policy (along with security guards). I talked to the VP's cause I didnt wanna get kicked out, they said I could defend myself, but if I won, I'd get expelled for excessive force. Zero tolerance policies are bullshit.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » October 10, 2003, 2:45 pm

kyoukan wrote:HOOKERWHORESLUT with remaining cheese.

Not familiar with that cooking term myself