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Rugby World Cup

Posted: October 8, 2003, 11:55 am
by vn_Tanc
Starts this weekend and I implore you all to try and check some of it out :)

It's an entertaining enough sport in it's own right but you septics should get a kick out of seeing the sport that gave rise to your own "football" even if it's just to chortle at its quaintness :)

If you _do_ decide to check it out I'd recommend you try and catch a match featuring one of the southern hemisphere big guns as they play a very entertaining game. In the northern hemisphere it tends to be less pretty but more effective. Try to check out:

New Zealand: The all-blacks are to rugby what Brazil are to soccer. Legendary prowess.
South Africa/Australia: Two traditional southern hemisphere powerhouses who are a little off their usual game right now but still dangerous.
Samoa have their moments too :)
England: Current favourites which means we should lose in the semis. Worth seeing for the spectacle of a totally domineering pack of fowards. Some half decent back for a change too, and the golden boot of Johnny Wilkinson.
Wales: Every welshman is born with rugby in his blood. Which is great cos their team sucks scrotum atm and they hate it. Especially when us English beat them.

Forget all the nonsense you hear about drinking beer while playing - that's strictly amateur shenanigans. These guys are top athletes and put on a great show.

Oh, and it's taking place in Australia so the timezone difference should be noted.

Posted: October 8, 2003, 12:10 pm
by Sylvus
It's nothing but laziness that prevents me from searching the internet, but would you mind giving a run-down on the rules of rugby? I've watched it here and there but never really grasped everything that was going on. I know it's pretty similiar to American Football, the scrum being probably the part I understand the least.

Posted: October 8, 2003, 1:46 pm
by vn_Tanc
Any time there is a breakdown of play without a foul being committed there will be a scrummage.
Just like US Football, the forwards of a rugby team are the combined offensive and defensive lines. You've seen a scrummage - it's very much like a scrimmage except the lines lock together. Here's a quick badly formatted illustration of a scrum formation:

Front row L->R: Prop, Hooker, Prop
Second Row: Flanker, 2nd Row, 2nd Row, Flanker
at the back: No.8

Instead of the ball being snapped to the QB, the rugby equivalent (the scrum-half) of the team awarded the "put-in", er, puts the ball into the scrum from the side. Each team's Hooker then tries to, er, hook the ball backwards, through the rest of the forwards, until it gets to the No8. The scrums will be pushing against each other to gain ground during this time.
Anyway the ball arrives at one or other of the No.8s, it's then collected by the scrum-half again who then feeds it to the backs via a lateral pass and open play recommences.

The "put-in" must be straight down the middle tho spin is allowed to give your team an edge. It's perfectly possible for possession to turn over in a scrummage and it often will if one set of fowards dominates the others. It's also acceptable to keep the ball in the scrum and drive it forward but that runs the risk of collapsing the scrum which will usually result in a penalty.

Other than that it's 5 points for a try (ball MUST touch the ground not just cross the goal-line plane) and 2 points for a conversion (the kick after). You can also score 3 points for a penalty kick and 3 points for a drop-goal. A drop goal can be attempted at any time by any player and is essentially what you would know as a punt, except that the ball MUST hit the ground before being kicked. This makes it quite a difficult feat which is why you don't see them happening every time a player is in range of the posts.

Other general ramblings. . .umm. No forward passes are allowed. Any kind of forward movement of the ball unless its a kick is a foul whether the movement was intentional or not (so a dropped pass will usually push the ball forward and be a foul and so will an attempted kick that comes off your shin or whatever). Offside rules are arcane and beyond the scope of this forum. You are not allowed to play the ball from the ground (if you're on the ground) and if tackled you must release the ball. If the ball goes out of play at the sidelines there is a "lineout". The team awarded the line-out chooses how many forwards are in the lines, the forwards line up next to each other facing the sideline and the scrum-half throws the ball in from touch. The enormous forwards then leap for the ball and try to get it to their backs and open play resumes.

Phew. Need any more? Just ask :P

Posted: October 8, 2003, 1:55 pm
by Voronwë
i will check out a game or two i think =)

beats watching California election coverage.