VeeshanVault

You know, as a druid I get LOTS of random buff requests. A majority of the time I receive a kind "thanks" and we all get on our merry ways. Then there's always that one person a month that requests a buff (PoTC in this case) and just runs off right after getting it. No thank you, NADA!

I have a nice little no buff list of these little losers.

Mortaneous of CoE...welcome to it!

/rant off

I just put them on ignore, my asshole isnt so tight I need to come here and list them 1 by 1.

/sarcasm off

Bleh Hayley I know what you mean. Now imagine ressing an entire raid (40 plus people) and getting just one thank you! It would take too long to add them all to my list but I just put the guild there instead.

Welcome to no Rez list errr wait a minute that was my own guild!! and I wiped them out!

Never mind

Yup, it is a thankless job often enough. I had that problem sometimes when it came to picking locks. When it came to the higher end doors like in Howling Stones then I got much thanks and such. I miss playing my Rogue.

Thorns,regen,potc pls!

Having a bad day or something?? I said "Thank you kindly" just like i do with anyone else I ask for a buff. I said it out loud though rather then in tell as you ran off. Now rather then flame you here let me say it one more time so you can hear it, Thank you kindly for your potc Hayley.

And yeah, maybe I am having a bad day. Seeing fucking innocent, cute puppies being gassed to death on CNN pretty much ruined my day for me.

Here's a flame for CNN...FUCK YOU!

Melrin_Specclaster wrote:I just put them on ignore, my asshole isnt so tight I need to come here and list them 1 by 1.

/sarcasm off

Are you trying to be an asshole or am I missing the point of your post completely?

Thank You Hayley!

I vont you Hayley

JACKASS

Jackass! and yes Raistin is an asshole err so is Melrin

/wave Hayley

Who is gassing puppies?

VORO STOP GASSING THE PUPPIES

Al Queda tape.
Haven't seen it, don't want to see it, don't want to have to pay CNN for acess to video files..

DANKZ HAYLEY!

HUGZ )

Hayley so sexy

CNN showed video clips of Iraq's chemical weaponry being tested on puppies, for those inquiring what the "gasing the puppies" was.

I know what you mean Hayley.

If I am on a gimp and someone is kind enough to buff me, I always make sure to thank them... even if they run off before I notice the name of the char, I will /ooc Thanks! I even thank guildies who buff me on raids LOL.

Side note: I saw that videotape unfortunately. Made me sick to my stomach. I think if those fuckers are ever caught, someone should tie them up and unleash the chemical weapons on them. Just my personal opinion.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34 ... _bin_laden

In one tape's early frames, a white Laborador-like dog, wearing a green ribbon, is sleeping in a small room. A man wearing typical Afghan clothing, and without protective gear, drops something on the concrete floor and leaves quickly.

As a white liquid oozes across the floor and a vapor fills the lower part of the room, the dog sits up, alert, apparently sensing danger. In the next frames, the dog begins licking its mouth, salivates and sneezes.

The dog then tries standing; its head shakes violently, and its breathing quickens. Its hind legs appear to collapse. Seconds later, the dog falls and struggles to stand. Unable to control its front legs, it wimpers and moans. Then the dog appears to vomit. Its moan becomes a piercing wail.

The dog then seems to have trouble breathing. Its tail is all that moves as the screen goes blank.

A second later, the video replayed the first scene, of the dog's exposure to the gas, then jumped ahead, documenting the subsiding of its cries.

Finally, one of the dog's hind legs shoots up in the air, as its head goes down. It then lies motionless

TY New York Times for not being "too" graphic in your description.

/looks for a terrorist to keel

I loathe those who commit these sick acts upon animals.

If you want to kill something, do it humanely for fucks sake.

Heddyl

Well, they didn't show the whole tape when I saw it... just the dog sitting alert and the ooze moving towards it. They stopped at that point. I wouldn't have been able to watch it... I could hardly get through reading your reply

I think my opinion of what one should do to those that torture animals falls into the vien of my opinion of what should be done to those that rape children, if you remember that reply..

You do realize that OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of Western Country industries, like the cosmetic industry, subject animals to fates OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS worse and painfull?

Not that I dont think this is horrid, but before you run out to shoot yourself a terrioist or compare them to child rapists. Maybe you should do some dedicated effort of cleaning out in your own backyard? Since you have an infinite larger potential of affecting things nearby committed by consumer dependant industries than things going on in a foreign country by some sicko's.

To paraphrase a saying: The only thing worse than evil men, are good men doing evil.

Actually I do research on products and their parent companies and buy stuff that is NOT tested on animals. Cosmetics? The Body Shop... all natural stuff, not tested on animals. A bit more expensive than the others but I have peace of mind. There is a website that lists companies that do and do not engage in animal testing.... good info. Http://www.allforanimals.com
Cleaning agents though are a bit tougher... OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of the big named cleaning supplies and laundry soaps are under parent companies that still engage in animal testing unfortunately

EDIT: Added a link to that site if anyone cares.

You think I like the fact that animal testing goes on? Not particullary.

I see the necessity of it, but for the most part I don't see it as somthing you should do. I do think that a bit of it is totally unnecessary, and if I had it in my power to stop the practice, I'd be more than happy to.

Unfortunately, the difference in this conversation is that while animal testing does happen, it is GENERALLY not done out of cruelty. Nor is it DESIGNED to kill. (Tho if the choice was for a life of torture or a quick albet painful death, I'd say death every time)

The other thing is, dog fan I am not, everybody loves puppies. And now you've got evidence further villifying the most wanted man in america (world?) ordering, or sanctioning, testing biochem weapons on puppies. It just don't fly with those of us in the states. I think that this is the major part of this outcry, along the lines of "He's an evil bastard - he even kills puppies!" AND it's being broadcast world wide thanks to CNN and other media outlets.

The public heart is a cruel thing to play with. You can incite riots if you portray somthing that is done on a hourly basis in a negative light, and the worse you portray it, the more you tug on the heart strings of the people in general.

~Akaran, 60 Crusader
Farstorm, Veeshan
"Oh shit he pulled another one."

Here is something to chew on... speaking from experience rather than researching the subject...

There are two MAJORLY different fields of research that use animals for testing. Pharmacuticles and Cosmetics.

The cosmetic industry is the one that is under fire (the most) and has given the drug manufacturers a really bad rep that they don't (always) deserve.

Do you have any idea how many life-saving and life-improving medications would NOT even be on the market if it were not for animal testing? GADS! The amount of research and testing required to "dial in" a new experimental medication is so long and extensive that in many cases it becomes cost prohibitive without animals.

Animal testing and animal cruelty are not the same thing. Granted, I readily admit that in some cases the lab workers end up being torturous little serial killers wannabe's that never grew up. Other cases, the animals are cared for and monitored in a very loving and tender environment.

PETA and other similar groups only make a big fuss about the assholes. They never EVER say anything good about the companies that strive to be kind and gentle to their test subjects. I have had my (former) lab protested, vandalized, burglarized etc. by the militant animal rights fucktards... My facility manager has an "Open Door Policy" towards these mentally incompetent sheep whereby they are allowed to tour, inspect, and observe all activities within the walls with the exception of learning what chemicals or drugs we are administering. When I say "Open Door" I'm talking about requireing a THREE MINUTE NOTICE. Ya can't hide much nasty stuff in three minutes, so that kinda proves to those fucktards that we have nothing to hide.

yeah, flame on to your hearts content... I don't give a fuck. I was there. I held them, fed them, talked to them, treated them like pets rather than experiments. In my lab... they don't all live in cages, some are free to wander around and follow the workers up and down the halls... Long term testing sometimes lasts up to 3 years. 3 years in a cage would be far more cruel than anything I ever subjected an animal to... You can get very fuckin attached to the animals under those circumstances.

Wondering what I was working on? Many large and giant breed dogs have a disease called Canine Hip (and elbow) Dysplasia. Very painful crippling disease to say the least. Contrary to popular myth, CHD is NOT hereditary - only the genetic TRAIT is inherited. We were working on several issues, all of which had to do with Arthritis/Join damage, repair, treatment and PREVENTION.

Not ALL of these big doggies were showing symptoms of CHD - some never did develope it, even though they were shown to posses the trait.

HELL! I even took one home with me -- He is an red colored Alaskan Malamute and his name is Vermillion BaadPuppy. He's 7 years old now and weighs about 90 LBS. So far no sign of CHD either (/cheer drugs).

My take on Animal Rights is this...
They have the right to feed me.
They have the right to clothe me.
They have the right to entertain me.

I have the right to TEST THEM, Hunt and Kill them, sheer them, skin them, cook them and eat them, and then take their dead carcasses to a taxidermist and hang them on my wall. Anyone want to see my 6/8 nontypical white tail rack? Perhaps you'd like to see my 34 Lb Northern Pike? yaya I had them stufffed.
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My only real suggestion is that they should make test animals out of criminals serving life without parole. Let those worthless rotting fuckers that are costing so many thousands of dollars per year to feed and shelter finally have some kind of redeaming quality! Let them damn murderers test drugs and cosmetics.

Spelling and Grammar > Me.

You do realize that OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of Western Country industries, like the cosmetic industry, subject animals to fates OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS worse and painfull?

I feel saddened that the animals are getting tested on, but I fear more those weapons will be brought and used against us in america, considering we're probably target number 1....

There is a bit of a difference between the required testing on animals for drugs which will save lives or ease symptoms of dibilitating diseases, and testing which sorts of eye liners will cause a dogs eyes to rot out of their skull when applied directly to the eyeball. Drug testing on animals is often a nescessary evil, testing cosmetics is never right.

What has been stated that was shown in that video (they thankfully wont show the full thing on TV in Australia) is simply the casual cruelty of men with no regard for life.

Sure Zotha. But your country, my country and others including the good ole US of A have arsenals of chemical weapons. Guess what they were tested on?

If we're going to hold up Al'Qaeda as a paragon of evil we should stop using examples of practices of which our own governments are just as guilty.

US is just trying to turn more hate towards the middle east with that sort of video tape. That video was an example of what 90% of any militant countries do to test that shit. If you dont like it protest to US government, or whatever government you belong to, cause its very likely they do it just the same. Maybe we dont use dogs(no idea, do we?), we just use chimps, is that better? or rabbits? cats? horses? pigs? mice? who chooses which animals its ok to do it on?

If hooking a car battery up to a monkey's brain will somehow help scientists find a cure for cancer, I got 2 things to say to you... Black is negetive and red is positive.

Keverian FireCry wrote:US is just trying to turn more hate towards the middle east with that sort of video tape.

The political spin machine is running, always keep that in mind.

Our government is trying to justify a war and get the US public behind them. Most people don't seem to support another war against Iraq right now, and this is good PR to make attacking Iraq palatable to the public.

There is no way of knowing when or where this video was taken.

Ahmik wrote:Here is something to chew on... speaking from experience rather than researching the subject...

There are two MAJORLY different fields of research that use animals for testing. Pharmacuticles and Cosmetics.

The cosmetic industry is the one that is under fire (the most) and has given the drug manufacturers a really bad rep that they don't (always) deserve.

Notice in my post I stayed away from commenting on pharmacutical research? Even though I don't really like the thought, truth is, that type of research is the one that helps save lives. That's where they find cures and vaccines for OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of illnesses and disease.

I was refering to cosmetics, and other household products, which have absolutely NO business being tested on animals; and chemical/biological warfare, which have absolutely NO business being made in the first place.

Aabidano wrote:
Our government is trying to justify a war and get the US public behind them. Most people don't seem to support another war against Iraq right now, and this is good PR to make attacking Iraq palatable to the public.

There is no way of knowing when or where this video was taken.

Sunday night was the first time most people in the US government had a chance to see the tapes. The CIA had not seen them, and neither had anybody in Bush's cabinet. CNN was extremely selective in who they let see these tapes over the 10 days prior to them airing because they did not want to get "scooped". Very few people within the company were allowed to see them.

At any rate, medical testing on animals is unfortunately necessary.

Testing chemical weapons on dogs is of course disgusting. What is more disgusting though, is the people who are trying to make these weapons ultimately want to use them on humans.

Unfortunately, i dont think there is anyway to change these people's minds, and killing them is necessary to protect ourselves, because they arent going to fade away. They aren't going to stop trying to disrupt any aspect of our society, no matter how trivial, until they have exhausted their last breath.

They hate the West for a reason. How about seeing if we can make them stop wanting to kill us all by reducing the hate? Examine the root causes instead of addressing the symptoms?

It's either that or just kill everyone in the world who disagrees with you.

Al'Qaeda didn't appear from a vacuum no matter what the government try to tell you. And if September 11th carried one message it was this: No matter who you are or how strong you are, if someone hates you enough they WILL find a way to hurt you.

Yeah yeah, not the most popular opinion. All you "wtf nuke the ragheads and stfu you damn liberal" rednecks can just go get fucked before you even start k?

To all of you bleeding hearts that have the nerve to even tell me to look within my own country before slamming anothers...I have news for you.

I will fucking bitch all I want about the Al Queda and their "research" regarding testing nerve treatment. The same idiotic people that did this to the dogs ALSO killed thousands of INNOCENT people (including children) less_than_a _year ago in the WTC and Pentagon. What doesn't make you think that you yourself might not be part of their next "research?"

At any rate, do not EVER lump me and my gov't in the same breath with these imbiciles that believe anybody that does not believe in the same "God" as theirs deserves to die.

Tanc:

i can see how you may have interpretted my post as a "kill all them A-rabs" type of statement.

That was not its intent. And yes i agree taht there have to be other avenues of this "war" on terror than military alone. But these people who are in Al-Queda now are the problem i was talking about. If you think they are going to be responsive to any sort of negotiation or other non-violent means to achieve resolution, i believe you are mistaken.

Certainly there are things the US has done in the middle east that have led to the problems we are experiencing today. However, to say that the US is simply "reaping what it has sowed" i believe is incorrect as well. Al-Queda is not some organization that is fighting for the rights of wronged muslims around the world. That would be like saying the Democratic Socialists were great defenders of German heritage.

If you think that's the reason for Al'Qaeda your government's brain-washing program has all ready worked.

I'm not disputing their evil - it's plainly apparent. But it's not the gassing of dogs that makes them so; the same thing goes on behind the closed doors of the governments of the West.

But as long as blind emotion and propaganda rule people's actions (like your post there Hayley) we're all pretty screwed.

Tanc? Why the FUCK do you still have a "vn" in your fucking name?

Does it MATTER why they hate us? Not really. We are enemies. Knowing WHY they hate us is unimportant at this point. Since they used a terrorist attack to bring their hate to our attention, we can't back down.

S'cool Voro I didn't read it that way.

I agree there is no way to deal with the current problem other than force. All I'm saying is that in itself creates more problems in the future.
Al'Qaeda needs isolating from other Arab causes before it's destruction otherwise, in the eyes of the average oppressed arab, we're just acting in the way our enemies predicted.

My main point though, was that if we're gonna prove to the people that Al'Qaeda are "Evil" we shouldn't use examples of practices of which we too are guilty.

Oh, and I'm also trying to make sure people don't fall into the lazy thinking promoted by our respective governments. Al'Qaeda was formed for a specific reason and due to a specific set of (very complex) circumstances. To think they attack us simply because we're white/rich/christian is lazy and damn dangerous.

We are enemies. Knowing WHY they hate us is unimportant

Seig Heil, eh Searyx?

vn_Tanc wrote: Oh, and I'm also trying to make sure people don't fall into the lazy thinking promoted by our respective governments. Al'Qaeda was formed for a specific reason and due to a specific set of (very complex) circumstances. To think they attack us simply because we're white/rich/christian is lazy and damn dangerous.

"By God's grace," bin Laden says on the tape, "we have formed with many other Islamic groups and organizations in the Islamic world a front called the International Islamic Front to do jihad against the crusaders and Jews."

Need a little lesson on who the crusaders are that he uses in his quote?

The battle between Saladin and Richard marked the high point of the Crusades, the first major clash between Islam and Western Christendom, which lasted more than three centuries. And though they are only faint in the Western consciousness, in the Muslim world the Crusades still loom large in cultural memory. When Osama bin Laden declared his own jihad in 1998, he accused America of "[spearheading] the crusade against the Islamic nation." And in a tape released to his followers last year, he promised that the world would "see again Saladin carrying his sword, the blood of unbelievers dripping from it."

I am also aware that bin Laden has some sort of hardon for the fact that we used Saudi's bases to attack Iraq for the protection of Kuwait, and that this is one of many reasons he feels the need to attack us. He feels it necessary to call this a jihad, or Holy War. Funny how MOST Muslims are not backing him up on this isn't it?

So tell me again Tancred how religion isn't the root cause of bin Laden's drive to kill Americans.

Seig Heil, eh Searyx?

Know what that sound is? It's the sound of someone who is trying to convince others to be more open-minded's credibility deflating. To sit there and preach the evils of stereotyping and rash decisions, and then turn around and make an accusation, nay, an insult as heinous as this, throws your entire character into question. I mean, that kind of thinking is just "lazy and dangerous".

What ever happened to a simple "thank you"???

This thread has been TOTALLY hijacked!

It's a perfect example of why we should read past the third post in each topic. hehe Damn Hijackers.

I seriously doubt that destroying the towers was just a bitch slap to us so they could say, "Hey, incase you didn't know, we hate you". Besides it is important to know why they hate us. Ignorance will only cause more problems.

I am fairly certain Avon is not thinking about mixing up a few million pounds of eyeliner and dump it from the sky across New York City. Even if they did, I don't think I would give a fuck. I am damn well sure that testing cosmetics on a rat != gassing an animal like a dog.

You may be one of the biggest dumbasses ever Leyor. No wonder you can't come up with any type of strategy on your own. Hell, maybe Furor should help you out and send you charts and graphs since you are clearly fucking mentally handicapped. (my apologies to Searyx for the shot at the mentally handicapped).

Seig Heil, eh Searyx?

I'm not sure how that correlates to what I said. Could you clear it up for me? How does what I said put me on par with the Nazi's of WW2 Germany?

Wow what fucktard even proposed a correlation between Al'Fuckasheepintheass killing dogs to prove they can kill Humans and testing drugs on animals to SAVE lives?

To make a comparison like that is obsurd.

The reason they made the tape is obvious. They are trying to strike fear into the American people. Well all I can say is Fuck you Bin Laden oh and here is a nice M16 shoved up your ass.