VeeshanVault

Jesus Pils. Can't you congratulate people or, for that matter, comment on ANYTHING--without bringing your disturbing views on life into it? For pete's sake man...

Most of share personal shit here..I certainly do, as do many others.

But why, WHY do you have to add to every topic posted in ANY of the VV sections with your obviously jilted and disturbed take on things?

Here is a little tip from your uncle Canno...

1. If someone finds love, wish them luck! Don't question it.

2. Love doesn't always come from the "standard" dating regiment. (i.e. meeting x at random bar, getting # from x and then asking x out a few days or so later)

3. Women are not here on this planet to fuck you...or 'fuck you' -- take a breath and be a man--believe me, we will all be thankful

4. When someone does make a post here regarding something that is going on in their life...think one second..or more, repeat as required... IT IS THEIR POST! MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING POST WITH YOUR PERSONAL TAKE ON THINGS!!


fuck..

sadly, wasted. Well written tho! Despair not, for one day...his isp might go out or something.

I didn't question him on his actions, I questioned him on how it came to be.

I'm happy for him....just curious how that stuff works.

Pilsburry wrote: I'm happy for him....just curious how that stuff works.

Don't ask so much and try things yourself. Start off by frenching a light socket and give us your results with and without the lamp plugged in.

I'm sorry, obviously only stupid people would ask questions about how other people found love.

God, it's like you guys flame without reason.

Pilsburry wrote:I'm sorry, obviously only stupid people would ask questions about how other people found love.

God, it's like you guys flame without reason.

And it's like you post without using your brain.

Pilsburry, I think the reason people are upset at you is because that post was not for asking questions it was for saying grats and such. If you really want to know how people that met online developed their relationship then I would suggest you make a new post and ask, I'm sure a lot of people would respond to it in a much different manner.

Pils,
I think you really need to watch more Lifetime or Hallmark or WE or Oxygen. They have all the answers you are looking for. Just don't watch Spike, Tech TV, or Discovery Channel, cause those are bit more advanced and so real you might not be able to handle it.

People find love in different ways and certainly in different places. Some believe in love at first sight, or that 'connection' that is there or is not, some believe it takes time. Some are turned on by tattoos, facial piercings, cars, money, long hair, body hair etc, but one thing is for certain...

you do add something warped to almost every normal post made.

I'll be banging my head against my desk now for asking that stupid "how you met" question on Adel's thread
Didn't mean to derail it

To answer your question from the other thread, Pils...

No, we did not see each other all the time in RL. That would be rather expensive, seeing how far apart we live. He came here for 2 weeks, met my folks (they all love him), packed up my stuff and shipped it off, and brought my 2 cats back to Alaska with him. So, we met face to face only once. How do I know it will work? It's just a feeling I have, I can't explain it.

To answer another question before you ask it, have I ever been to Alaska? Nope. How will I know I will like it? I'm sure I'll love it... I'm quite adaptable, and the winters are actually colder HERE in Sudbury, than they are in Anchorage.

Ennia wrote:I'll be banging my head against my desk now for asking that stupid "how you met" question on Adel's thread
Didn't mean to derail it

Naw Ennia, asking how a couple is a common question, and couples usually love to tell there story! Pils just kinda went on a bender with it...Nothing you can do about that. He might have done that without you posting anything!

I just had to register and put my 2 copper in here.

Umm I don't see a problem with anything he asked. None at all.

I too met my wife online playing a game called netmech.

We spent HUNDREDS of hours a month on the phone and made our local long distance carriers very happy. I don't regret spending a single penny on it either.

We visited each other 4 times before we finally got married.

Our relationship entailed playing a game together ( which moved over to everquest ) we talked on the phone on average 158 hours a month. That did not include the various Inet voice solutions we tried. When not in game we were in constant online chat mode with one another. The only time we did not chat with one another was the times we got off work and headed home.

So yes this can happen and happens all the time. Personally I think our situation was extreme as I doubt anyone spent as much time together as we did.

HOWEVER there is a dark sinister side to internet relationships.

As with anything that has the benefit of bringing people together it has an inherent negative side to it.

It now gives people an excuse NOT to work on their current marriages and has made the honor of being one's spouse a dime a dozen since they can easily be replaced by trasping off to the internet to find the next idiot. My point is that it is now easier to go look online than it is to sit down and discuss any issues that are in the current relationship. I have had a few friends go through this in their marriage where there spouse decided it was ok to find a netstudwannabe or netslut instead of working on the problems at hand. Typical human behaivor why work on something that requires some effort when we can do it the easy way.

Cybercheating is just as big in numbers if not more than the side that brings people together.

So yeah this stuff works but its also the source of OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of pain as well.

Haedes wrote:
It now gives people an excuse NOT to work on their current marriages and has made the honor of being one's spouse a dime a dozen since they can easily be replaced by trasping off to the internet to find the next idiot.

wtf?


JACKASS!!

I agree with you on that one, I think its mostly America but maybe I'm wrong. Everything has been made recyclable even relationships. And people in general would rather 'cash out' than work at it. It sucks, but its the way people in general do things these days. I will only marry once even if it takes till I'm 40 to find the right person, but because of all the shit going on in the world, I will probably force a pre-nup. Call me an untrusting bastard, but I'm not taking the risk somebody can either play the game well enough to fool me or to try to guess what the other will do when/if it does go foul (even though I don't think it will when I finally do get married). And I've worked too hard for the shit I have so far for some stupid bitch to find that as the only way to inflict pain on me for a relationship going bad.

Haedes:
150 hours long distance a month? lol. I'd hate to see that bill. But yeah it obviously was worth it to you.

And still cheaper then a couple dozen plane tickets I imagine.

Legenae:
I've never been to Alaska either, but I have moved a LOT. I definately wouldn't be concerned about the move....there are always pros and cons to every location. And except for stamford, conneticut it usually all balanced out hehe.

Not to mention the fact you have a personal tour guide and a network of friends waiting for you. That would have possibly even made Stamford, CT fun.

I mean every town in the same basically....you go to the grocery store, movies, dinner, etc....hell even most of the businesses have the same names probably. The only real difference is if your living downtown, suburbs, or countryside...and of course the actual home you live in.

And even then, I mean you spend the majority of your time in your office or your house....especially us on-line addicts.

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So we have two responses on long distance relationships so far.

Both formed on-line/phone almost entirely.
One met 1x (engaged) and one met 4x (married).

I really expected people to answer the other way.....but that's why I asked the question, I wasn't sure.

To me that is kinda cool. I'm far too uptight to do it myself....but to hear people actually did do it...it's neat.

Long distance relationships are very common - whether they are over the internet - or in my case - due to the military.

When I met my husband we lived about 6 hrs away from each other. We only saw each other in person a handful of times. A few months later he joined the Navy and then it was months between the times that I saw him.

After knowing each other for 2 years and only being together IRL a few times, we got married. Six days after the wedding he went on a 6 month Med cruise. He was on a gator boat so after the cruise he spent about 90% of the time out to sea.

He then switched ratings and spent a year in CA (me on the east coast), half a year in TX (me still on the east coast), then 2 years in Italy (me still on the east coast - of the US)!

It wasn't until after he got out of the Navy that we saw each other for 30 consecutive days. At that time we had been married for 5 years and had a beautiful daughter.

Long distance relationships can work - as long as both are dedicated. There is nothing unusual about them. Two people met and know that they are meant to be together no matter what separates them.

We just celebrated our 15th anniversary this summer.

Pilsburry wrote:Seriously don't take this the wrong way, I'm just curious....was she local or imported?

does http://www.russianbride.com count?

it's like you guys flame without reason.

Someone needs to steamroll someone or something. This place hasn't seen a good EQ flamewar in almost as much time as Furor's been practicing yoga in an attempt to blow himself.

Or is it that people just don't give enough of a crap about EQ anymore to get upset over it.. *ponder*

Bubba Grizz wrote:Pils,
I think you really need to watch more Lifetime or Hallmark or WE or Oxygen.

Oxygen! That's the channel that shows Xena reruns with the popup factoid bubbles during the show and the IRC type text chat running at the bottom of the screen.

Niiiice. : ) Yes, I've watched a few. It's a dyke channel and mandatory for renewing mangina certificates once a year.
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On topic, well a little off. Legenae, are you Canadian and Adelrune American? Are we hijacking another canadian like we steal hockey players from The Great White North? : )

me thinks ya'll are a bit hyper

Fredonia you did it the ole fashioned way long distance. Takes a lot more internal fortitude that way.

Grats on 15 years.

Yes Pils we spent a pretty penny on long distance. Let me tell you this, my wife got in on Sprints free weekends unlimited minutes plan and they called her after a month and said" Ma'am we can't possibly continue to offer you this plan at this time ". We both had a good laugh over that.

Been good times and bad times and we are now approaching our 4th anniversary. They say statisitically the 2nd 5th and 7th years are rocky road years for a marriage. One hurdle down two to go !!!

screw off on the a-lot two word thing already heh

Haedes wrote:Let me tell you this, my wife got in on Sprints free weekends unlimited minutes plan and they called her after a month and said" Ma'am we can't possibly continue to offer you this plan at this time ".

OMG, they actually called her to say that she was no longer qualified for the "unlimited" plan because she was "over the limit"? That's pretty fucked up. Marketing and Product Management in companies like Sprint make these plans based on estimated average usage and documented historical usage and assume that there will be people who will have high usage on any "unlimited" plan. I've never heard of anyone having the plan revoked though.

Ashur [FoH] wrote:

Haedes wrote:Let me tell you this, my wife got in on Sprints free weekends unlimited minutes plan and they called her after a month and said" Ma'am we can't possibly continue to offer you this plan at this time ".

OMG, they actually called her to say that she was no longer qualified for the "unlimited" plan because she was "over the limit"? That's pretty fucked up. Marketing and Product Management in companies like Sprint make these plans based on estimated average usage and documented historical usage and assume that there will be people who will have high usage on any "unlimited" plan. I've never heard of anyone having the plan revoked though.

Wow, what a scam it that's true. I've got the free weekend and night long distance from Sprint and would raise hell if they took it away. It's UNLIMITED.

Winnow wrote:

Ashur [FoH] wrote:

Haedes wrote:Let me tell you this, my wife got in on Sprints free weekends unlimited minutes plan and they called her after a month and said" Ma'am we can't possibly continue to offer you this plan at this time ".

OMG, they actually called her to say that she was no longer qualified for the "unlimited" plan because she was "over the limit"? That's pretty fucked up. Marketing and Product Management in companies like Sprint make these plans based on estimated average usage and documented historical usage and assume that there will be people who will have high usage on any "unlimited" plan. I've never heard of anyone having the plan revoked though.

Wow, what a scam it that's true. I've got the free weekend and night long distance from Sprint and would raise hell if they took it away. It's UNLIMITED.

Nothing surprises me regarding cell phone companies. They are all thieves and blackguards. Sprint and Verizon are the worst.

whoops... /threadjack off

Or is it that people just don't give enough of a crap about EQ anymore to get upset over it.. *ponder*

Everyone loves everyone now. It's a truly joyous thing.

They play Xena constantly on Oxygen???
No shit.

nothing lives longer then 5 minutes on the server. theres no time for a steamroll to get started...

then of course you have euro/jap guilds killing DXXT in VT before AHR spawns and repops all the warders..

Everyone loves everyone now. It's a truly joyous thing.

Cats n' dogs living together eh?

Yeah they play Xena on there....I was flipping through the channels once and caught it and when I saw the little factoids etc I was like "WTF?!?" And then I looked to see what channel I landed on.

And yeah that's screwed up if they revoked unlimited minutes plan on you heh. That's the whole reason you buy that package, so you can use it 24/7.

I think Ransure trained me the other day on purpose....

Pilsburry wrote:
Legenae:
I've never been to Alaska either, but I have moved a LOT. I definately wouldn't be concerned about the move....there are always pros and cons to every location. And except for stamford, conneticut it usually all balanced out hehe.

Not to mention the fact you have a personal tour guide and a network of friends waiting for you. That would have possibly even made Stamford, CT fun.

I mean every town in the same basically....you go to the grocery store, movies, dinner, etc....hell even most of the businesses have the same names probably. The only real difference is if your living downtown, suburbs, or countryside...and of course the actual home you live in.

And even then, I mean you spend the majority of your time in your office or your house....especially us on-line addicts.

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So we have two responses on long distance relationships so far.

Both formed on-line/phone almost entirely.
One met 1x (engaged) and one met 4x (married).

I really expected people to answer the other way.....but that's why I asked the question, I wasn't sure.

To me that is kinda cool. I'm far too uptight to do it myself....but to hear people actually did do it...it's neat.

You're right, Pils, I do have a network of friends up there already. Both my fiance's best friends (Grumsh & Ironfoot) play(ed) EQ, so I already know them. I've also chatted with his family (have yet to meet them in person) and they can't wait till I am up there. Neither can I.. the INS can't move fast enough for me /sigh.

As for spending a majority of our time indoors, that will change once I am up there. We plan on having a very active lifestyle, plus, we want a family, so we won't be playing too much online games (just WoW casually).

That would be nice to have someone who wanted to do a new active lifestyle.

I'm trying to do it on my own but most of the active stuff is like one on one stuff. And all my single friends want group activities, and that usually is a party or a bar....something with beer for sure.

So I go to the gym....that's about the only active thing I can do solo without feeling like a retard.

I was going to post something, but I sat on my hands to stop myself. But, i can't help it, so here I go

Women are all over. They don't just hang out in bars or gyms. Try the symphony, a community concert or play, a rock concert, a coffee joint, work, internet, a volunteer function, a fundraiser.. they are all over. I suggest expanding your geographic area a bit...

Don't try to analyze the dating game... You'll only confuse yourself more than you are now.

When someone posts that they just got married, just grats them and move on... It's one thing to ask how a copule met, and want to hear their story, but to derail a thread on purpose to satisfy your needs/curiosity is a cause for a smack! Start another thread, or even better, send a PM to the couple and ask them if they would be willing to share how their experience was, because you had never had something like that before and are curious.

Just some suggestions

Slightly off topic, but I like Pils posts. They're long, sure, but it usually stays related. Ive always thought of it as he always assumes he is being asked why he thinks what he does, so he goes ahead posts it (if he didnt you'd probably ask him why.) With pils its a discussion, not a flame fest.

Coatlicue [KoE] wrote:
Women are all over. They don't just hang out in bars or gyms. Try the symphony, a community concert or play, a rock concert, a coffee joint, work, internet, a volunteer function, a fundraiser.. they are all over. I suggest expanding your geographic area a bit...

Hey, the School Choir worked for Oz in American Pie!

Pilsburry wrote:So I go to the gym....that's about the only active thing I can do solo without feeling like a retard.

What about waxing your carrot? That can't make you feel like a retard! (if you do that alone that is)

don't forget band camp Yes, the choir does have some interesting women in it too ... I'm a flautist and went to band camp, had met a few boys there too *grin*

for some reason, the guys in high school always liked me better when i was in my marching band outfit!! WTF?!!?

Coatie in band uniform?

- somebody STOP me!

One time in band camp...

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Coatie in band uniform?

- somebody STOP me!

No doubt.

LOL i'll have to find a picture of me in my band uniform and have it scanned. I did, however, find a picture in my elusive Best Buy outfit from my sophomore year in High School.

It was early October, 1996....

I was living in north east Pennsylvania. I had just purchased my new Macintosh Performa 6400 and was eager to set it up. AOL was not entirely new...but it did not have a firm chokhold on the market. Of course, a free trial of 10 whopping hours for AOL came with my new computer. I joined AOL under the screen name CeltsRisng. One of the first things I found was an online bulletin board for people interested in Scotland. Since that is where I was born and raised, I made a post.

I was interested in finding a penpal from Scotland. It was a purely platonic endeavor. A little more than a month later, I had signed on to AOL after getting home from work. I was greated with "You've got mail!". Now this was a very rare occurence indeed. There was no mass spam mailing...and I had not corresponded with anyone as of yet...so there was normally no mail for me to read. The e-mail was from someone named CelticSoul. This person said they liked what I had posted and wanted to have a penpal as well.

Now...this is where it gets tricky. I thought I was corresponding with someone from Scotland. This CelticSoul person thought THEY were corresponding with someone presently living in Scotland. It took us over a month before we finally realized that neither of us were in Scotland. In fact, the day I found out this person was not in Scotland was the same day I found out this person was a female. You see, the e-mails were pretty non descript. We included things like...."What type of music do you like....who is your favorite poet....Have you seen this movie yet...? Well, this day, she did not sign her e-mail with the usual, "CelticSoul". She signed it..."Anne". My reply to that e-mail was signed, "Matthew". And thus we found out a little more about one another.

Fast forward to February. We now knew that I was living in Pennsylvania and she was living in Kansas. We had exchanged addresses and sent one another small trinkets....books...a tape of favorite songs...letters...etc. Then one late February day I got up the nerve to ask for her phone number...and she e-mailed me her number. I called her the very next day from work (on my lunch break). That call lasted about 10 minutes...with hardly a word to be said. It was very awkward and I felt like such a dork. I did nearly all of the talking...because when I stopped talking...there was silence. Later we both signed online and IM'd each other...and we were laughing at how easy it was to talk online and how hard it was to talk on the phone. I told her that now that we have broken the ice, the next call will be much better. So after we signed off of AOL late that night...I called her. She was not expecting the call. We talked from midnight until around six AM.

Over the course of the next few months, we would talk for a few hours in IM's then talk on the phone for an hour or two. It became very difficult to talk in IM's when all we wanted to do was talk on the telephone and make things a bit more real. One evening, I asked Anne about her graduation from university. She was graduating in mid May and we had been talking about meeting in real life. I asked her if I could come out to visit and come to her graduation. That worked out well for both of us. I booked fare for 10 days in Wichita, Kansas. The plan was for me to stay in the guest room at her apartment...even though I offered to get a hotel room many times.

I arrived in Wichita the day before her graduation. The meeting was wonderful...there in the airport...few words were said...few words were needed. Most of that first day is still an amazing blur...lots of staring into one another's eyes...lots of talking...it was sublime. THe next day, I attended her graduation. The odd part was afterward I had to go to her parents house (we met at the graduation) and meet her entire family...aunts...uncles...cousins...grandparents....friends....it was family overload for me. I do remember one of her uncles saying, "So this is the wierdo you met on the computer?" Heh....

The next 8 days were spent just Anne and I pretty much. I did meet some of her friends, but it was mostly just the two of us. She took me to see the sights of Wichita (yes, there are sights here...the largest city in KS...500,000 people). We spent a lot of good time getting to know one another. I did not want to leave...she did not want me to leave...but my stay had come to an end.

When I arrived back in PA, we began to talk even more on the phone. My phone bill for the month of June was over $1200. I asked her if she wanted to seriously pursue a relationship...even if we did live 1400 miles apart. We both wanted to. I told her that I did not want this to be a long distance relationship...and after much talk, we decided that I would move to Kansas (it would be cheaper to move than paying a $1200 phone bill every month ). I applied at nearly 40 places in Wichita. One day, I was home for lunch...the phone rang. It was a lady from Kansas wanting to conduct a telephone interview with me. She said she has never nor would normally ever consider doing an interview over the telephone...however she felt motivated to do so and would let me know at the end of the interview her reason for doing this odd interview.

The interview went very well. It turns out that the woman interviewing me was very big into geneology. Her ancestors hailed from a one streetlight town called Catawissa in Pennsylvania. On my resume, the job I was presently working was in Catawissa. She had always wanted to come back east and visit the town where her ancestors hailed from...and she took this as a good sign that someone from there was applying to work for her. It turns out that I took it as a good sign as well. I was offered the job right over the telephone.

I called Anne and told her about everything. I told her that I had a job and was going to move out to Kansas at the end of July. So one hot July morning at 6 AM, I loaded my car up with everything I could pack into it...I couldn't even see out the rear or side windows. I started my car up and drove west. 23 hours later...only stopping for fuel and some Jolt Cola...I arrived in Wichita Kansas. That was July of 1997.

June of 1999 we were married in a Renaissance wedding in the backyard at her parent's house. We honeymooned in Scotland. We bought our first house last year in March of 2002....and I am announcing here for the very first time anywhere....that on Tuesday of this week we found out that we are expecting our first child together.

Yes, I know it's a long story...but it is story worth mentioning (and I know Pils likes details and I didn't want to leave anything out... ). Internet relationships can and do work out. The internet is just another means of meeting another person....and since I did it nearly seven years ago...I sort of feel like a pioneer


Regards,

Moonwynd

Yeah that kinda sums up what I do....I always assume I will either be asked for detail or flamed before I post. So sometimes I just put it all out there in advance.
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Also I should clear things up a little. My situation has changed some and I'm pretending it hasn't. I actually do meet girls on occassion now. And they do show interest on occassion.

There was one last night, she showed all the signals of interest. Smiled tons, repeated physical contact, laughing at stupid shit..the works. She seemed really nice, and I thought she was cute...avg weight, short blond hair, short...like 5' 1", pretty eyes, nice smile.

But I did what you know me best for....
I over analyzed it. Then I came to the conclusion it would be easier to run away then to ask for her number.

And that's really the main issue causing me to be dateless.

See Moon is more like me, he got to a point where he said "F this" and packed up his stuff moved there and dated face to face.

It's hard to express my next question so I'll PM you heh.

They still dated long-distance from October to July and it seems they formed the core of their relationship in that time. *shrug* That's what I got out of that post. *hugs* - a_guide

What you say is true...

But this is the quote that makes me think he is like me

Moon wrote:I asked her if she wanted to seriously pursue a relationship...even if we did live 1400 miles apart. We both wanted to. I told her that I did not want this to be a long distance relationship...and after much talk, we decided that I would move to Kansas

I read that to mean he got to a point where he said..."this has to be face to face to go any further"

I mean I could talk on the phone and get the relationship to a certain point. I mean I can see myself meeting a girl on-line and talking to her a lot. I can see me getting to the point of going "wow, this girl sounds great, I really like her a lot.". But then it's like...you passed the test...let's date. And I'd have to do that in person.

And that's basically how I thought it went with the whole on-line deal. Until I decided to ask to make sure...

Grats on the kid Moon!

Coatie, you were beautiful then, are now, and will be in the future. I love your pics!

And Gratz Moon!!!

Congradulations Moonwynd. You have always been a true friend and will be an excellent father. Much happiness wished for you and your family /hugs Valkeria