VeeshanVault

Hi guys, don't particularly want to start a huge flame war about drugs here (har) but i'll be taking acid for the first time tonight.

Now I've heard all the scare stories, and how if your feeling blue or mentally insecure its probably not a great idea...etc

I've taken mushrooms aplenty, and other drugs, although I rarely do them now, this is more a chance of getting to try acid, since its almost impossible to get it in Ireland.

Just wondering if anyone else here had tried it, had experiences they wanted to share, fancy insulting me, whatever, its a fascinating topic.


I r teh excited~!

I had a lot of fun when I did it. I thought I turned into some type of lizard and was walking on the walls and stuff, it was fun. :D

Fear and loathing flashback!

I never did acid...just shrooms. A roomate of mine did acid one night when he went out. When he came home, he sat down on the couch, and stared at the pants he was wearing for almost 2 hours.

And I bet it was the best night of his life...

ive smoked pot from 7th grade - halfway thru my soph year (high school), that shit will mess u up, ive done shrooms a lot as well

nothin more tho, acid / crack / X even, that shit will fuck you up man ~

My 2 cents...dont do it =) Ive been clean since halfway thru my soph year, ill be a sr this year

Acid is pretty much like shrooms except without the initial sick feeling, you just feel OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more dirty the next day. Make sure you don't have to work or else it's going to be a LONG day.

Clatis wrote:ive smoked pot from 7th grade - halfway thru my soph year (high school), that shit will mess u up, ive done shrooms a lot as well

nothin more tho, acid / crack / X even, that shit will fuck you up man ~

Based on your posts, I'll take your word about that one!

DONT DO DRUGS!!!

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Don't do it, Teeny. Even one acid trip can (note for the reading impaired, I said CAN, not WILL) cause permanent sideeffects. Psychedelics are fucking scary.

Jesus Christ! I can’t believe you guys are encouraging him to do this.

I had an experience w/ acid. I was at a greatful dead show (fucking music sucks nuts, but I was 21 so who gave a shit) and there were 6 tabs and 6 of us. He dropped them on the ground by accident and only could find 5. I decided not to do it and took it as a sign to never even consider trying it. Sort of, I was given one last chance not to fuck up my body, so I better take it.

My cousin did acid once.....swore he saw jesus christ and a week later switched religion.

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?!

"I can't think of anything to say except...
I think it's marvelous! HaHaHa!"

yeah basically religious experience is partially modulated by Serotonergic innervation throught associative cortex. LSD is a 5-HT2 recepter antagonist, and acts in the brain for about an hour. It induces an electrical state change in neural circuits that modulate many activities in the brain.

Basically, a good analogy is like a stereo's graphic equalizer. You raise and/or lower the electrical sensitivities of various brain systems.

For instance, the manner in which your brain filters sensory input will change. You will "see" shit that isn't there. You will "see" textures on surfaces that seem to have qualities that are unusual. You will "hear" things that (like your air conditioner talking to you) actually were not sounds in the room. The big effects of LSD are the emotional modulation though. If you are having fun, you will have ***F***U****N***, and if you are depressed, prepare for 13 hours of utter hell, with voices in your head telling you shit about you that is so fucking mean only you could say it.

LSD can be instructive in a key point in life. What you see, hear, and feel, may not have actually happened.

paraphrasing whats his face Yorke:

Just cause you feel it, doesn't mean its there

there is no coincidence that psilocybin, mescaline, and other hallucinogens have been used in religious rituals throughout the world over the years. These drugs also work (slightly differently) with the neural systems described above, and those neural systems in part are what contributes to the emotional events that people have when they are "feeling the Holy SPirit" or whatever other religion's metaphor is.

"LSD My problem child" is the book to read to start your understanding of the subject. It is written by the scientist who created the chemical. He was not somebody who favored recreational drug use. He did favor ritualistic drug use, though did not advocate it, but his descriptions of his 'trips' with his friends were hilarious.

picture these 5 or 6 European stuffy academics in the 1950s, in the Swiss countryside in their pajamas running around outside....

at any rate, worst case scenario, you will get whacked out of your skull and act wierd the rest of your life. (like the guy who found Jesus)

best case scenario, you will have a damn good time.

you will suffer no neurotoxic effects. But that doesnt mean it is harmless. It just doesnt kill brain cells. But there are some brain cells that are more dangerous when they are alive
The subtle modulations from the effects of the drug persist for many days, if not longer if you use it too often.

Some people think LSD is really cool. I'm one of them. I also will never do it again. If i did it would be a pretty unpleasant experience (not because i'm not happy, cause i am...but because "it remembers things").

But it will vary with your neurochemistry. Everybody's brain is wired differently, and everybody experiences drugs differently as a result.

While that part of my life is over, I used to be a big fan of hallucinogens and have done most of them several times. LSD was certainly my favorite. Well, besides, mescaline but that was always rare as shit and another story entirely. While I wouldn't encourage anyone to go out and try it, it sounds like your mind is made up so hopefully my experiences can be of some benefit to you.

The mindset you are in is certainly a big factor in how your trip will go. I'm a pretty happy-go-lucky guy with a positive attitude and - in upwards of 20 trips - I never had a bad experience. On the other hand I have a friend who would do the same exact, um, "brand" as me and it was a crap shoot as to whether he was going to have a good time or a bad time. The difference, in my completely unscientific opinion, was that he was relatively depressed at the time and that caused him more trouble.

Have plenty of fluids available for consumption, I always liked to have lots of water on-hand. Could be a throwback to other drugs, but I figure regardless of what you're on being well-hydrated is a good idea. You may also want something to chew on (gum or whatever) as I've seen people whose jaws get a little goofy.

Don't look in the mirror. Maybe it's just me, but whenever I was tripping and I looked in the mirror it always brought me down a little. You just seem to look a little different to yourself, it'll pass when you're sober again. The biggest side-effect for me was always that my stomach would get a bit upset the next day, a condition I like to call the "acid shits". (not acid as in like burning, but acid as in LSD)

Put some good music on or throw in a movie that is interesting to look at that you don't need to pay a lot of attention to. Turn the lights down.

Good luck and have fun. If you start to freak out, remember that in all likelihood it's just going to take several hours but you'll be right back to normal.

Droping a cap and reading what voronwe said would mean total bad trip..

Kiding..

That was very informative actually.

I never did give into droping an acid... only smoked weed and did some shrooms. Guess it's something people feel they have to try it once in their life.

i know this one kid he's done acid 2 times and has flashbacks a lot and he looks permenently out of it, like he's just standing there and everything happens and he doesnt notice it, but he's done other drugs as well, mainly pot

And his best friends done X 100+ times, and well... he's fucked for life.

imo, dont do the damn drugs ~

wanna see crazy shit? last 4 nights i stayed up all night/day doin summer school, takin Adderall to keep me up and focus'd most of the time (bout to go turn in my work in 2 hours here) but the later parts of yesterday and this morning when i was still up i saw shit, like everything had a smokey bubble around it, and colors floated through the air, and my instant messenger window was 3d and it looked like it was poppin out of the screen and such. But i got 4 hours of sleep last night cuz i had 2 book reports left to do.... which eh, i dunno, they look too hard to bullshit =(

In the words of some dude from some movie with drugs in it

Don't do it man, that shits crazy yo

Please don't.

My advice is based upon my having been a teenager in California in the late 60's.

I strongly advise against it.

Clatis wrote:i know this one kid he's done acid 2 times and has flashbacks a lot and he looks permenently out of it, like he's just standing there and everything happens and he doesnt notice it, but he's done other drugs as well, mainly pot

And his best friends done X 100+ times, and well... he's fucked for life.

X is terrible for you. it is highly neurotoxic, and absolutely trashes the neural circuits i was describing above. It is the only drug i ever did (i did it 2 times) that i really wish i never did.

never touch that shit ever. I had fun when i did it, and i dont know of any imparement i suffered as a result, but i know what i've read in J. of Neuroscience about it, and that shit will fuck you up big time.

the guy you describe above is fucked most likely cause he utterly shredded neural circuits which control awareness states.

Yea, his names Zack, and he's always telling me how theres a pattern over what he see's and its there even when his eyes are closed. He's like 'have you ever started at something plad so long that its kinda imaged in ur head, then when u look up real quick you see the pattern over everything for a few seconds.... well thats how it is for me, cept it aint plaid, its buncha odd shapes, and they never fade. And thats the least of his worries....He's a sr right.... Iowa test said he read at a 3rd grade reading lvl

Like i said man Dont do that shit ~

I've done about every big name drug at least once except smack and crack (cos I'm rock fuckin hard, me) so here's my rundown on acid:

1) If you're going to do it stay the fuck at home, with company. The great outdoors is potentially lethal if you happen to get a total-ego-meltdown-wtf type of trip.
2) If you've done a decent quantity of fungus you'll be somewhat prepared for the effects (if mushrooms "made you giggly" you didnt do enough). But acid is a lot 'bigger' and more profound.
3) If it goes bad try to hang on to the thought that it _will_ end.
4) Have fun. It's like nothing else on earth.

Everyone else has covered the risks and benefits so I won't bang on about those. The worst things that ever happened to me where borderline religious epiphany (avoided, shew) and a couple of totally lost-in-space trips (see total ego meltdown above). The best things that happened varied from good clean fun to _really_ sorting my head out. If there's something gnawing away at you and you can't put your finger on it, drop some acid and you'll know one way or another inside 14 hours.

Just be aware that I eventually forswore all hallucinogens about 10 years ago and my resolution on this matter is unshakeable. This kind of thing, like most dangerous psychoactive drugs, are not something you want to do too much of.

Cheers folks

I've always had fun when I do acid.

1) Never get into a conversation about religion.
2) Never get into a conversation about politics.
3) Never get into a conversation about anything you feel contreversial about.
4) Have fun.

The good? thing about LSD is that it's not addictive (impossible to get physically addicted actually).

but like anything that is involved with pleasure, it can be psychologically addictive.

perceived rewards (like euphoric pleasure...or phat lewt) are potent motivators for people to engage in behaviors .

you do have to kind of step back and monitor yourself. You can become pretty "enthusiastic" about it.

Clatis, how can you possibly sit here and lecture on the evils of drugs and then discuss taking adderall to help you work and study? You are aware that adderall is a drug, specifically an amphetamine, and if taken in large doses is basically the same thing as speed? Before you get to college or the workforce or whereever you're heading, you better read up a bit and realize that just because a drug is legal doesn't mean that it's any safer than a drug that's illegal.

Teeny: Enjoy yourself.

Teeny seems like the happy kind of druggie with the whole frolicking in the field thing. It sounds like from reading this thread though that all of the people that have tried it won't do it anymore.

On a side note for Voronwe or anyone else...What's the effects off too much nitrous? (laughing gas)

One hit off an empty whipped cream can is nice for about 30 seconds : ) What's the effects of inhaling too much of the stuff like the freaky dentists do? I understand some partiers will buy a whole canister of the stuff. The effects I've heard are one hell of a head ache afterwards.

I personally like having my mind as clear of drugs as possible and won't even take asprin/advil most of the time for headaches unless it's that one killer migrain a year.

PS, did those Warp Cores have alcohol in them at FF?

I have done it twice, and I had a blast. As people have said, keep your throughts clear and happy. Enjoy yourself and relax.

My trips lasted about 12 hours and the tracers at the end tried very hard to keep me up the first time....was VERY hard to get to sleep as the sun rose. So, the second time I drank...and drank and drank. 3 of us put down 3 cases and I never felt drunk, but I fell asleep much better that morning.


The following day and the few days after I felt very drained, tried, and dirty. Took a while to feel 100% again, about a week...but it was a blast.



acid + cartoon network + any music = teh win.

no matter what cartoon against what music...they always line up and it always makes sense....when you are on acid~

i dont know how bad Nitrous is for you winnow.

i would think the biggest problem is that any time you do too much of an inhalent like that, you are replacing the oxygen on your red blood cells with the NO (drug), and it may take a while to come off the red blood cells.

That is why sitting in your garage with the car running is a good way to kill yourself. Biological reactions often have what is called a Dissociation Constant. And basically this is an indicator of how long a bond between two molecules lasts. Carbon Monoxide (CO) has a Dissociation Constant with Hemoglobin (carries Oxygen, O2 in your blood) like 250 times longer than O2. You die because eventually, too much of your hemoglobin is bound to CO, and you can't carry enough Oxygen in your blood to keep your brain operational.

So lets say Nitrous (NO) has a long dissociation constant too, the danger is not so much the drug, but that your brain gets a decreased oxygen load. Neurons are extremely chemically expensive cells to operate, and they cannot operate anoxically like muscle cells. They are pretty sensitive to low blood oxygen.

So my *guess* would be the biggest problem with lots of nitrous would be you lower your blood oxygen level a bit, which each time may kill off a few neurons. No big deal with small usage. But with chronic usage, this could be a big problem.

This is why at the dentist office, they give you a mixture of NO and O2 when they are anesthatizing you.

Sueven wrote:Clatis, how can you possibly sit here and lecture on the evils of drugs and then discuss taking adderall to help you work and study? You are aware that adderall is a drug, specifically an amphetamine, and if taken in large doses is basically the same thing as speed? Before you get to college or the workforce or whereever you're heading, you better read up a bit and realize that just because a drug is legal doesn't mean that it's any safer than a drug that's illegal.

Ya, i know, ive been abusing it like all hell lately, its an amphetamine, and ya, it is addictive, and can be an halucinogen and it keeps you awake for the period of time its taking effect so, after today (deadline on all my work) i wont be on it at all for a while. And i know its not safe but its safer than acid =P

Clatis wrote:And i know its not safe but its safer than acid =P

Not necessarily.

well, its not gonna be safer if im poppin like 400mg or some crazy dousage, but if i stick to what the doc said, shit ya its safer

If u had 2 ppl , one on Adderall, one on Acid, and they both took the same amounts, in mg/g wonder who would be more fucked up?

I've never smoked, had a sip of alcohol, or done any recreational type of drug.

Other than acid that is. Kind of an odd leap if you stop and think about it, but its a story within itself. Anyway, I've tripped about 10-12 times total since the age of 19. I once did a whole weekend, then didn't drop for 5 years. It's fun, but the drug itself has varied in quality. I once took 4 hits of something or other and had a good time. Years later, I had "Window Pane (pain?)" and it completely, absolutley, goddamn fucked me up for almost 24 hours. That stuff was smaller than a birdseed too, and I had only ONE.

Bottom line is I enjoy it very much. I just don't have time for that stuff since you need to have a clear weekend scheduale.

My advice is to stay indoors, have good friends around (that drop too, of course), and have stuff to do. Nothing really holds my attention for too long when I trip. My mind is everywhere at once except on what I'm suppossed to be doing. I'm more likely to be engrossed with staring at my hand than I would be playing a video game or something. Of course, all this is only after I laugh non-stop for a good 2-3 hours. Oh yeah, rumor on the street is that you should eat/drink anything with Vitamin C in it. It could just be Urban Drug Legend, but it's supposed to make the trip last longer. We always had plenty of OJ around.

Next, is my warning.

I had a buddy who completly fucking freaked on a bad acid trip. He moved away to CA and was visiting when he told me his story. He has since sworm never to do acid again. He mixed 2 types, one he had, and one his friend had. His story sounds unbelievable, but somehow he thought he was God (and invisible) so he took off all his clothes and started walking around this apartment comlex at 3am, knocking on doors to share his immortal knowledge. Well, it was all kind of a blur for ahile there, but he definatley remembers a young cop shining a flashlight on him and yelling "DON'T FUCKNG MOVE!!!!!" My buddy says in hindsight, he understands he might have looked a bit odd standing out in the hallway, naked, with OJ all over himself (don't ask). This young cop was terrified. So, he got busted (while he was peaking!) cuffed to a hospital bed, and driven to the local hospital where he was diagnosed as a possible suicide/drug OD. He had to explain all this later to his corporate office when they saw the hospital visit on his insurance.

The story above is a brief synaposis of events. My buddy was understandably shaken up by the whole thing. One of my favorite details of his story (he had many) was when he was in the ambulance headed to the hospital and he kept trying to convince the orderly to let him go. Whenever the vehicle slowed down for a stoplight, he was certian that they were pulling over to let him out, lol. He also threw a marble chess board through a sliding glass door. See, I think it's funny cause it didn't happen to me, but he wasn't laughing. It was a pretty traumatic experiance from someone whose tripped maybe 6 times a year for about 10 years.

You have been warned!

LOL that is a hilarious story


being less "fucked up" is not an index of safety.

for instance Potassium Cyanide won't make me feel "fucked up" at all.

The bottom line is you have to be as active as you can be in understanding how the medications you are on effect your body.

From one standpoint Aderol is definitely safer than Acid. That standpoint would be Aderol is manufactured in a controlled environment, and is FDA researched, etc. The LSD Teeny is about to eat was made in some dude's basement (though it is probably a lot easier to make than Aderol).

That being said, if you got labratory grade LSD, it is a drug that has been researched by the FDA, and has been used in medical settings (in limited scenarios). In fact, one thing it was prescribed for was people having problems with uterine contractions back in the 50s (in Europe). I think they are happy with Oxytocin for that now

it doesnt make any difference which drug is "worse" than what other one. Almost all drugs, prescribed or illegal, have risks involved with their use. It is the responsibility of the individual to ultimately understand those risks and weigh them accordingly. You can't just have blind faith in your doctor. Some doctors are paid quite a bit of money to encourage the use of certain pharmaceuticals. It is a huge business, and you can't always be sure the physician is not just looking out for his pocket linings.

Here's the catch about LSD:

Strychnine is one of the by-products of its manufacture. If it's not done carefully, you can actually be eating more of that shit (it's used as rat poison) than actual LSD.

Also, some unscrupulous dealers just dip paper into rat poison and call it acid. Since they're very similar chemically, it's hard to tell the difference without experience. If you're shivering and sweating at the same time, grinding your teeth, and just generally wired but not really hallucinating, you got rat poison and should go to the hospital.

As an addage to the above story, when my friend was in the ambulance, he thought the United States was in the middle of a modern Civil War and he had been captured by the oppossing side. When he was talking to the orderly, he was calmy explaining that he was just a spy and he was actually on their side, so they had no reason to hold him.

Like I said, I thought this was all funny as fuck Oh, there's more, but I'm busy at work.

Hehe !

Wasn't it you preaching about smoking to me last year Fairweather? You vagabond!

stryctnine isnt a byproduct of the manufacture.

There are a lot of urban myths about its relationship to LSD.

I cant say for sure if any are true.

The ones i had heard was that stryctinine helped keep the LSD "in suspension" in the paper.


the biggest problem i see with homemade acid is that Lysergide is very sensative to temperature and UV radiation (aluminum foil, Ziploc, and freezer for storage), and the reason the product varies so much is that the chemical breaks down easily. So it has a short 'shelf life' and depending on how it was handled between manufacture and your tongue, determines how much Lysergide is actually on there. There are psychoactive breakdown products, so you can still get high from the other chemicals, but the quality of the high will not be as good, because they don't have as high of an affinity for the 5-HT2 receptor in your brain.

it's all about the 5-Hydroxtryptamine

I happen to have 2 litres of pure orange downstairs, bling bling!

Does it break down into strychnine?

Strychnine is C21 H22 N2 O2

LSD is C20 H25 N3 O

I had a buddy in the chemistry program analyze the bad blotter I'd gotten, and he told me that it was strychnine. So either it was really old and had decomposed so that all that was left was the strychnine suspension or the dude I got it from had just dipped some blotter into rat poison.

its all dumb imo ~

I've done acid many times in the past, smoked weed for many yrs< since i was 9> PcP,Shrroms <picked fresh in Tillimook>,Coke,etc even yes the BIG H...

DONT friggin do it, it CAN mess you up for life



PS,

Yes I am fine~

interesting, thanks Masteen. Interesting infoz!!

Masteen, that doesnt make any sense, maybe if it bonded with something else along the way, or split into the atmosphere, but that would result in a loss of oxygen, not a gain. I don't know, I'd have to go back and take a look at the calculations. I know we have a chemist somewhere on these boards, maybe they can enlighten us?

Voronwë wrote:In fact, one thing it was prescribed for was people having problems with uterine contractions back in the 50s (in Europe). I think they are happy with Oxytocin for that now

Lol, ya think?

Teeny, if you're going to do it, and it sure sounds like it, keep the board posted

I'm serious, I want to read about your flight of passage

God damn! Am I the only motherfucker here who hasn't polluted their body with any of this shit?

Kelgar wrote:God damn! Am I the only motherfucker here who hasn't polluted their body with any of this shit?

Damn!! it would of explained a lot.

The guy who has the acid is apparantly on his way and should arrive in an hour or two, he is travelling from Dublin, which is only bout 100 miles away.

As far as I am aware, it is 100% on, so hopefully I will have something to tell you tomorrow, or whenever I return

damn, i wanna be there when ur trippin for some reason

hope its worth it man =P gl

If it's the real deal, you should be re-entering the atmosphere sometime Sunday! Enjoy, bud!