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Okay, I had an interesting discussion today, but wanted to open the concept to the vault for input.

Male(well me): The CSGirl thing has to be an impression of society, it is not a natural thing, other than the concept of younger women. I think it is taught from generation to generation, but it had to have had an origin somewhere as a fixation. Probably some alpha male insisted it was hot, and his pack agreed and boom. Nurture over Nature.
Female: Well women may dress that way to please their partner, but it is not a natural thing I agree. But it is a vaguely disturbing thing as it is a fantasy about young girls
Male: But surely some women who like women find it attractive also, what is it about then?

What do you all think?

To skip Kyoukan just slamming me I will save some time Kyoukan says, "Kylere is an idiot", now proceed to provide input please

I think it is nature and nurture. You see, first let us take what the CSgirls have (Allegedly):
Virtue.

Now for most men, the thought of having a virtous woman, to be that first, etc. is supposedly a turn on, because by nature it is supposed to be the unattainable.
Of course, we know better than to assume something like that. Still, the image mixed in with the common ideal behind them (Nurture) is something that appeals to the desire in men for having that which they cannot (Nature).

At least that is my feelings on this matter as they came to me.

Kylere wrote:Okay, I had an interesting discussion today, but wanted to open the concept to the vault for input.

Male(well me): The CSGirl thing has to be an impression of society, it is not a natural thing, other than the concept of younger women. I think it is taught from generation to generation, but it had to have had an origin somewhere as a fixation. Probably some alpha male insisted it was hot, and his pack agreed and boom. Nurture over Nature.
Female: Well women may dress that way to please their partner, but it is not a natural thing I agree. But it is a vaguely disturbing thing as it is a fantasy about young girls
Male: But surely some women who like women find it attractive also, what is it about then?

What do you all think?

To skip Kyoukan just slamming me I will save some time Kyoukan says, "Kylere is an idiot", now proceed to provide input please

Please rephrase your question. It looks like you were drunk when you wrote that.

Altered but I have not been drinking

Ok seriously, this is really Pilsburry, and you got Kylere's account info somehow, right?

I think the question is:

Why do men find women/girls in catholic school uniforms attractive, and furthermore what is the mystique?

Yes, but also, are women attracted to the same thing, straight, bi, lesbian, etc.

And if so what is the overriding appeal

check this out......


http://www.scienceblog.com/community/article1737.html?

I went to a catholic school in high school and yes I got hooted at and hit on by men older than my dad twice as much in my uniform than I did wearing tight jeans and a crop top or whatever.

The attraction stems from the reputation catholic girls have. Catholics have a reputation for teaching their children to be sexually repressed, which of course 99% of the time results in said teenaged girl to turn into a deviant sex maniac who is obsessed with sex. Frank Zappa wrote a song about it.

Combined with the schoolgirl uniform in general being symbolic of innocence and youth (most guys have the whole teaching young/innocent girls how to become a woman via their Monster Cock fantasies). Also, the uniform itself is quiet esthetically pleasing; generally with a nice looking kilt and wooly leggings or kneesocks and cute peasant shoes with a blouse and a tie. Most girls look fairly natty in one.

Women don't often share the same type of sex fantasies as men do, and different things motivate most women, so I doubt many lesbians would go for the same kind of image.

Zygar_ Cthulhukin wrote:check this out......


http://www.scienceblog.com/community/article1737.html?

I read that article a few days ago and I didn't really buy much of it. I hope Northwestern didn't pay out too much money to fund that kind of research.

The study itself fails to even ask why women are more naturally bi-sexual than men. Completely off the top of my head I could have told them that hundreds and even thousands of years of things like societal pressures and social conditioning impressing into males that being gay is wrong and something is wrong with you and you aren't as much of a man if you are gay, where women don't really face the same kind of opposition to their sexuality.

It could be argued that its a chicken/egg deal where homosexual males are considered abnormal because its abnormal for men to be homosexual, but I think its more of a conditioning thing than instinctual.

Either way it's not really relevant to this thread.

They fail to ask why women are more naturally bisexual? That's a whole other study. This one just suggests that they are, and if they are where does that lead us? That they possibly have the same ingrained ideas about innocence and such which would tend to make them get more hot and heavy over a Catholic school girl than a regularly dressed girl. Besides, this may be where many bisexual/lesbian girls get their first "taste" of the lifestyle. Relevant? I think so....... mmmmmmmmm lesbian teenage catholic scoolgirls

Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

kyoukan wrote:Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

Because women are by far more beautiful creatures than men.

Agreed with teh Acies on this one.

Now I want to see Kyou in a Catholic schoolgirl uniform..

I just like short skirts on chicks.

When I think of Catholicism, I think of old men fucking young men. The school girl and cheerleader uniforms turn me on but I don't associate them with religion.

Word.

kyoukan wrote:Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

Yeah, I agree. Why the FUCK is there still a double standard in existence today?

Something I've never understood are the things along the lines of:
two gay men having sex = SICK, GROSS whereas
two gay women having sex = OH MAMA I WANT MORE

Xaem, you have that wrong. It should be

two bi men having sex = SICK, GROSS whereas
two bi women having sex = OH MAMA I WANT MORE

kyoukan wrote:Women don't often share the same type of sex fantasies as men do, and different things motivate most women, so I doubt many lesbians would go for the same kind of image.

Well 3 out of 4 of my Lesbian/Bisexual friends have mentioned that the school uniform thing is something they like...

Personally it works for me...I don't think I'm much of a chauvinist oppressor...

I think its such a broad fantasy thing because, sexual stimulation is strongly conditioned behaviour...The things that are paired with sexual arousal early in our sexual development have greater impact on our long term fantasies...The uniforms are worn at a developmental time when guys begin to notice girls bodies and begin to have feelings of arousal...

Its kind of like the Fuzzy Sweaters and Cheerleader Uniforms etc; things which are associated with sexual stimulation (especially repeatedly) tend to become in and of themselves sexually stimulating...

If every time I was in a green room I had sex...If I went in a green room my body would respond sexually...

No deep psychological thing here simple, classical conditioning paradigm at the base.

Well, after having just been going with an 18 year old irish catholic school girl for the last 6 months, I personally can see the attraction^^

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I think the reason some women may get aroused by female bisexual material is due to conditioning, like arbor said.
The ratio of women as opposed to men portrayed in movies, magazines, calanders, billboards, music videos, and contests displayed in provacative ways has got to be 75:1 if not greater.
Our daily lives contain a parade of supple, shiny, barely covered female bodies that say "hey world, this is what's sexy!".
I'm not a feminazi. But I do think that, in a world thats historically been influenced by what men want, it only goes to show that what's considered sexually stimulating is what men have a desire for: Women.
Just my pop theory anyway.

Side note related to the csg thing :I remember an article I read a long time ago about one reason why Shirley Temple was so popular and it had to do with mens lust for youth and innocence.
Sounds sick at first since she was 5 when she started, but makes sense since thats how they packaged her, adorable waif with shining curls in dresses so short her frilly panties were always flashing and permanantly puckered lips. Hrmm.

Teenybloke wrote:Well, after having just been going with an 18 year old irish catholic school girl for the last 6 months, I personally can see the attraction^^

Teeny! Irish Catholic schoolgirls are nice, but you know you miss the man-sex!

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I think the reason some women may get aroused by female bisexual material is due to conditioning, like arbor said

Nah I think it's cos male sexual response is more focussed on the visual.

Also, from 1000s of years of evolution, men find younger women attractive.
Hence the "blond" thing (young have fair hair), the middle-aged sugar daddy thing, etc etc.
Schoolgirls = young = attractive.
Stir in a bit of Kyou's monster cock fantasy theory and you've pretty much summed it up.

Male sexual response. Pretty straightforward.

Enough said!

The fun is sapped from many things upon over-analysis. Just sit back and enjoy the catholic schoolgirl fetish. If you think about it too much, you'll realize it's borderline pedophilic and that is no fun. I'd liken it to eating hotdogs, they sure are tasty until you stop and think about what they are made out of. Don't think about it.


P.S. Please don't actually go have sex with schoolgirls, I'm not advocating that. Dress your old lady up like one, though, and go nuts.

vn_Tanc wrote:

I think the reason some women may get aroused by female bisexual material is due to conditioning, like arbor said

Nah I think it's cos male sexual response is more focussed on the visual.

Coupled with my next paragraph that's basically what I said. Remove your nah, sir.

Yeah, I agree. Why the FUCK is there still a double standard in existence today?

Something I've never understood are the things along the lines of:
two gay men having sex = SICK, GROSS whereas
two gay women having sex = OH MAMA I WANT MORE

Women are aesthetically better looking than men. Not to mention woman take more pride in thier looks. If all beings were evaluated for their physical attributes, a woman would take first prize. The very word beauty when refered to humans is female.

While I find men extreamly attractive, it has much less to do with them physically than rather the package as a whole.

Two woman having sex is beautiful. Two men having sex is comical, and often just plain gross.

Cartalas wrote:Enough said!

Lingerie of hollywood ehh Cart?

Pherr the Dorf wrote:

Cartalas wrote:Enough said!

Lingerie of hollywood ehh Cart?

Umm the link was sent to me, I swear.

I think the whole attraction that most people have toward a catholic school girl, or just the school girl uniform for that matter, is because most people associate school girl, with youth, purity, and innocence. Those three are some of the most attractive aspects of the uniform.

kyoukan wrote:Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

From what I have been exposed to growing up with 2 gay parents (not just raised by a gay couple, but both my mother and father are gay) is that men tend to be more homophobic. This would be my idea for why women are more likely to try out the bi thing.

supz teeny

Xaem wrote:

kyoukan wrote:Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

Yeah, I agree. Why the FUCK is there still a double standard in existence today?

Something I've never understood are the things along the lines of:
two gay men having sex = SICK, GROSS whereas
two gay women having sex = OH MAMA I WANT MORE

It's not really a double standard - it's more or less a point of view. I know I'm assuming but I'll bet my money most of the people you talked to that said two gay men having sex was gross were straight males. Obviously they're going to find it gross, assuming they're straight. Straight males would obviously be aroused by females, so two females having sex would be arousing, not gross.

This topic actually brought some questions up so I talked to a few females I know, some straight, one lesbian. Also, since it's a small number of people "surveyed" it may not be accurate for the majority, but what I gathered was that straight women ( while not exactly finding it arousing ) did not consider gay men having sex "gross." It just wasn't something they were into. Some of the straight females DID find gay females having sex "gross" and/or "disgusting." The lesbian I spoke with obviously was into gay females having sex, but was pretty indifferent towards gay males having sex.

So it's not really a double standard, it's just a perspective based upon your sexuality, which completely makes sense. A straight male who isn't "turned off" by gay male sex more than likely isn't truly straight. And for the most part, a straight male WOULD be turned on by lesbian sex. It's human nature.

Also, as Kaluian said, females are by phsyical appearance, simply more attractive to look at.

A real double standard however is the player / slut scenario. A man can have sex with as many women as he wants and often get support and recognition for it, while a woman who sleeps around is often looked down upon and termed as a slut.

I was a Catholic School Girl until my first year university. We wore the white shirt, forest green skirts and tall white socks. I think men/women find the catholic school girl outfit appealing because of two reasons already mentioned:
- it reminds them of a time when sexuality was just awakening
- Catholic School girls are "restricted" and therefore pure and "innocent" which many (especially men) find appealing. For the same reason it appeals to the dirty/misbehaving types (feel like your doing something naughty!).

Personally, thinking on those outfits just reminds me of school *shrug*

Xaem wrote:

kyoukan wrote:Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

Yeah, I agree. Why the FUCK is there still a double standard in existence today?

Something I've never understood are the things along the lines of:
two gay men having sex = SICK, GROSS whereas
two gay women having sex = OH MAMA I WANT MORE

I think the disgust people exhibit at your homosexual overtures toward Drewon, and vice versa, stems not from your both being men but from the thought of the nauseatingly repellent mental image of the two of you repulsive creatures in embrace. In other words, it's not gay men that society deems gross, it's just you.

Karae wrote:

Xaem wrote:

kyoukan wrote:Well most people could tell you just by opening their eyes that women are more pre-disposed to bi-sexuality than men. A more important and worthy question would be "why?"

Yeah, I agree. Why the FUCK is there still a double standard in existence today?

Something I've never understood are the things along the lines of:
two gay men having sex = SICK, GROSS whereas
two gay women having sex = OH MAMA I WANT MORE

I think the disgust people exhibit at your homosexual overtures toward Drewon, and vice versa, stems not from your both being men but from the thought of the nauseatingly repellent mental image of the two of you repulsive creatures in embrace. In other words, it's not gay men that society deems gross, it's just you.

rofl

Cartalas wrote:Enough said!

Somone make this their avatar. I would but it's not animated and I have standards. It disgusts me! I need to see it daily to be reminded of all things evil.

OK, Pilsburry reference sighted, I may as well comment now.

It's all about stealing innocence...it's a really old infatuation...I mean like sacrificing virgins to make beleive gods etc....most of you won't be able to follow that line of thinking but oh well...I'll try to explain but it's hard....innocence is something people find important...a valuable trait. People like valuable things. Thus to take someones innocence is something people like the concept of....

A Catholic School girl is like the poster child of innocence "theoretically" anyone who went to a catholic school or knew a catholic school girl should reckognize that as false....but still in the back of our mind they have a innocent quality.

Anyway that's my take on it. It's not so much age as it is "innocence". I find the outfit attractive...but then again I'm a bit odd, I think a sports bra and cotton panties is hotter then a lace victoria secret outfit. So take anything I say regarding men's take on women's fashion with a grain of salt.

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As far as gay sex.....guys are just less appealing...we are all bumpy and hairy....and our genitalia...what's up with that? Dicks are gross. Sorry but it's the truth...

Women are smooth and have soft edges....thier boobs are round and soft, thier butts are usually rounder and softer. Even non-sexual parts like thier arms....less veins sticking out...less muscles popping out. More of a soft feel. This is partly due to the fact that women have a slightly larger amount of subcuteaneous fat (fat directly beneath the skin) in general then men. Before people bitch at me, I'm not saying women are weaker or lazy and fat...subcutaneous fat is just genetically more prevelent in women. And most would consider the softness a good thing....to a point.

Plus since men have historically been the ones to expose the female form to the public via art or pornography or whatever.....people are more used to looking at the female form. I mean how often do you see a dick in a movie? If we saw them more often we would probably have a less "harsh" reaction to it....although I still don't think it would be that attractive.

Plus with guys you have the other factor......Someone is always getting the short end of the stick heh, it's uncomfortable...either it's having your asshole torn apart or someone gagging you with a foreign object...neither sound like fun. Sure you could envison yourself getting the better end of the deal or whatever you want to call it....but then you have a sandpaper beard, hairy ass...and some people don't like anal even if it was straight sex....just the whole idea of assholes turn them off.

For me lesbian scenes aren't so much of a big deal....I'd prefer to be able to participate...I'd want the women doing things to me, not each other. I mean if they want to do things to eachother...fine...but don't do it for my sake.