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U.S. says diplomacy over for Iraq


Britain's Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock announces Monday the allies will not pursue a vote on the resolutions proposed by the UK and "take their own steps to secure the disarmament of Iraq."


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March 17 — The United States declared that the “diplomatic window has closed” for a peaceful resolution to the Iraq showdown and that President Bush would warn Saddam Hussein later Monday that the only way to avoid war was to leave the country. At the United Nations, the United States and its allies withdrew a resolution that would have paved the way for U.N. authorization for war, having failed to persuade key members to support the measure.


THE WHITE HOUSE scheduled the address for 8 p.m. ET after U.S. and British diplomats announced at the United Nations that there would not be a vote on their resolution to give Saddam an ultimatum or face war.
“He will say that to avoid military conflict Saddam Hussein must leave the country,” spokesman Ari Fleischer said.
On Sunday, the president and his allies from Britain and Spain announced that they would give the United Nations one day to resolve the diplomatic dispute.
But shortly after the Security Council met on Monday, Fleischer said: “The diplomatic window has closed as a result of the U.N.’s failure to enforce it’s own resolutions for Saddam to disarm.”
He declined to say whether Saddam would be given a deadline. “I will not get into any discussions about when military hostilities may or may not begin,” he said.
At the United Nations, John Negroponte, the U.S. ambassador to the world body, told reporters, “It has been nearly 4½ months since the council unanimously adopted (Resolution) 1441, which found Iraq in material breach and gave it a final opportunity to disarm. The government of Iraq has clearly failed to comply.”

Fleischer’s call for Saddam’s exile echoed Bush’s words Sunday at a news conference in the Azores. Speaking of Saddam, the president said, “He got to decide whether he’s going to disarm, and he didn’t. He can decide whether he wants to leave the country.”
Fleischer said U.S. officials were reviewing whether to raise the national terror alert.
In Baghdad, Saddam was quoted by state television telling a diplomat from Tunisia that his government no longer possessed weapons of mass destruction although it did have them in the past.
It appeared, however, that his declaration would have little effect on the United States, which has been preparing the world for a war to disarm the Iraqi leader.

SIGNS OF WAR
Earlier Monday, several top administration officials filed into the White House. The group included Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and FBI Director Robert Mueller.
Also Monday, the administration invited congressional leaders to the White House for a 5:45 p.m. ET.
Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and their summit partners met Sunday at a U.S. air base in the Azores as the American-led military buildup in the Persian Gulf continued. More than 250,000 troops, a naval armada and an estimated 1,000 combat aircraft are in the region, ready to strike if and when the president gives the word.


The American public, by a 2-1 margin, supports military action against Iraq to remove Saddam, a slight increase in support from recent weeks, according to a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll out Monday.
There were unambiguous signs that war could occur within a short period of time.
The State Department on Sunday night ordered nonessential personnel and all family members to leave Israel, Kuwait and Syria in a precautionary move. The departure order updates an advisory last month that authorized those people to leave voluntarily.

OVER AT THE U.N.
Monday’s fast-paced developments began when British Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock said at the United Nations that the three co-sponsors of the U.N. resolution were not going to call for a vote of the Security Council.
The dramatic announcement, ahead of closed-door Security Council talks on the Iraq crisis, came as the United States advised the United Nations to withdraw its inspectors from Baghdad, countries closed their embassies and foreign journalists left Iraq.
Ending weeks of silence on the issue, Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned military action against Iraq, saying earlier Monday that war would be a mistake that could imperil world security.
But British Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock singled out France for threatening to veto the resolution, which would have given Iraq an ultimatum to disarm by Monday or face military action.
“We have had to conclude that council consensus will not be possible,” Greenstock said, flanked by U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte.
Negroponte said he thought the vote would have “been close.”
“We regret that in the face of an explicit threat to veto, the vote-counting became a secondary consideration,” Negroponte said.
Moments later, French ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said that in one-on-one consultations in the past hours “the majority of the council confirmed they do not want a use of force.”
In a State Department news conference, Secretary of State Colin Powell said the crisis on Iraq was a “test the United Nations did not meet.”

OTHER DEVELOPMENTS
Prime Minister Tony Blair has called an emergency Cabinet meeting on the crisis Monday, with a decision on military action drawing close. Also, the government’s top legal adviser, Attorney General Lord Goldsmith, said war on Iraq would be legal on the grounds of existing U.N. resolutions.
A former Iraqi army chief, Nizar al-Khazraji, disappeared from his Danish home on Monday, defying a court ruling restricting his movements to prevent him avoiding a possible trial for war crimes, the state prosecutor said. “The only thing we know for sure is that he has disappeared. He probably left his flat this morning,” state prosecutor Birgitte Vestberg told Reuters.
Australia has made no decision to join a U.S.-led attack on Iraq but is much more likely to be involved in a war than it was a week ago, Prime Minister John Howard said. An attack would be legal without a further U.N. resolution, Howard said.
Finland said on Monday it would expel three Iraqi diplomats working at the Iraqi embassy in Helsinki, making it the latest country to send home diplomats following a request from the United States.

how about editing out the advertising text, as well as the promos for who is on w/ Chris Matthews at 730p

Done

OK, it's less retarded now.

Sorry bout that.

In other news, Gwen Stefani looked really tasty at this years Grammy Awards.

She has nice abs. I wouldn't mind lookin like that.

It's going to be quick, ...... and chemical.

man I can't believe the americans are starting a war. I thought western civilization had advanced to the point where that doesn't happen any longer but it's only taken one stupid cowboy president and his old boy's club to wreck everything.

I guess people never truly will change. They are violent and bloodthirsty at their core.

Drop your cocks and grab your socks! It's showtime. I wonder if I can get 24/7 coverage on Pay-Per View?

Jaxomer wrote:Drop your cocks and grab your socks! It's showtime. I wonder if I can get 24/7 coverage on Pay-Per View?

you could join the army and get front row seats, private machismo. you've already got the stupid, phony hollywood jargon down.

Hehe, it was the first thing that came to mind.

I am all for getting Sadam and the Bath party out of Iraq, but I am terribly embarassed for how we came to this point. I think Bush had decided to go to war from the very beginning, and it's been a major clusterfuck of stupidity leading up to today.

kyoukan type-R wrote:man I can't believe the americans are starting a war.

9/11 was the first blow. Bin Laden, Hussein, and all others who live their life to do evil unto Americans are now on bended knee, mouth open, ready for the insertion of our vengeful peni.

Saddam surrended last time when the bombs hastily designed to burrow and get to his bunkers started rattling the walls.

I don't remember the source, but I watched an interview with a middle eastern expert who had interviewed Saddam a couple of times. He stated Saddam was the most selfish and self-centered person he had ever met. His position is that as soon as they light up the tomahawks and F-18's, Saddam will announce he is chosing exile.

Hopefully that is what will happen.

9/11 was the first blow. Bin Laden, Hussein, and all others who live their life to do evil unto Americans

I still don't see the correlation between Saddam and Bin Laden.

Al Qaeda has a long history of planning and executing terrorist attacks against America and American interests.

Saddam Hussein is a former 'ally' of the USA whose war effort against Iran was funded in part by the USA. He also happened to foolishly invade Kuwait 12 years ago.

Where do you get the impression that Iraq and Saddam Hussein lives to do evil to the USA?

Saddam surrended last time when the bombs hastily designed to burrow and get to his bunkers started rattling the walls.

He never actually surrendured.
His troops were either slaughtered, surrendured or whithdrew from Kuwait and Saddam secluded himself in one of his palaces.

Saddam will announce he is chosing exile

He will never go into exile.
Bush and everyone on the UNSC knows that.

One interesting thing about the Gulf War is that Saddam Hussein sincerely believes that he won. To him, survival is the win.

"One interesting thing about the Gulf War is that Saddam Hussein sincerely believes that he won. To him, survival is the win."


I like that thinking that means The Dallas Cowboys won the super bowl

Yes, there was no formal surrender.

However, when the pictures started falling off the walls around him, and the ceiling fans started dropping, Saddam gave it up and the UN negotiated the current sanctions.

I think he will be quicker to give it up this time for the very reason you stated. He wants to survive. He will realize very quickly that he can better work to come back to power from exile than he can from a prison facing a war crimes tribunal, which will probably happen if he is captured by the US.

Time to curl up in a corner and pray for the best

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:9/11 was the first blow. Bin Laden, Hussein, and all others who live their life to do evil unto Americans are now on bended knee, mouth open, ready for the insertion of our vengeful peni.

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 you FUCKING RETARDED JACKHOLE. How many fucking times does this need to be said to someone like yourself? What is the average for you? Fifty? A hundred?

kyoukan type-R wrote:

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:9/11 was the first blow. Bin Laden, Hussein, and all others who live their life to do evil unto Americans are now on bended knee, mouth open, ready for the insertion of our vengeful peni.

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 you FUCKING RETARDED JACKHOLE. How many fucking times does this need to be said to someone like yourself? What is the average for you? Fifty? A hundred?

I think that statement cannot be proven or disproven, the one about Iraq and 9/11..not the one of Midnyte being a FUCKING RETARDED JACKHOLE~

Gurugurumaki wrote:

kyoukan type-R wrote:

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:9/11 was the first blow. Bin Laden, Hussein, and all others who live their life to do evil unto Americans are now on bended knee, mouth open, ready for the insertion of our vengeful peni.

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 you FUCKING RETARDED JACKHOLE. How many fucking times does this need to be said to someone like yourself? What is the average for you? Fifty? A hundred?

I think that statement cannot be proven or disproven, the one about Iraq and 9/11..not the one of Midnyte being a FUCKING RETARDED JACKHOLE~

Kyo, because you refuse to read you failed to see I didn't mention Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

Guru, correct.

When you start a sentence with 9/11 and continue with Bin Laden and Hussein you most certainly ARE implying a connection. If thats not your intent then the fault is YOURS for being so sloppy in your communications, not the readers for failing to magically understand what you actually meant. They teach english in school for a reason you know, and its not just to waste the time of all the kids who think they already know how to speak it...

"mouth open, ready for the insertion of our vengeful peni." Oh lordy. Try, just try, to have just a little class why dont you, rather than go with a mindless and crass powertrip image and wording thats offensive to nearly half the planet. Try. For your mother's sake, or something.

Doltish, unthinking youth.

*Hugs*
Varia

Varia wrote:

When you start a sentence with 9/11 and continue with bin laden and hussein you most certainly are implying a connection.

Mmmmkay. I must have missed the memo on this. I guess in your little world people always put a coversheet on their tps reports.

VariaVespasa wrote:When you start a sentence with 9/11 and continue with bin laden and hussein you most certainly are implying a connection. If thats not your intent then the fault is YOURS for being so sloppy in your communications, not the readers for failing to magically understand what you actually meant. They teach english in school for a reason you know, and its not just to waste the time of all the kids who think they already know how to speak it...
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Varia

I saw a period in there to separate ideas, although poorly written. I give a C-.

Sorry but saying 9/11 was the first blow when you are giving a reason as to why you are attacking Iraq is so fucking blatantly trying to establish a connection the only more obvious you could make it is to just scream that bin Laden and Hussen pinky-swore to be best friends forever.

You are just salivating over any excuse to drop bombs on muslims on some misinformed petty little revenge trip.

kyoukan type-R wrote:Sorry but saying 9/11 was the first blow when you are giving a reason as to why you are attacking Iraq is so fucking blatantly trying to establish a connection the only more obvious you could make it is to just scream that bin Laden and Hussen pinky-swore to be best friends forever.

You are just salivating over any excuse to drop bombs on muslims on some misinformed petty little revenge trip.

They did not pink-swear, but I did here about a blood brother ritual. Please refer to the previous thread on scalping head.

kyoukan type-R wrote:Sorry but saying 9/11 was the first blow when you are giving a reason as to why you are attacking Iraq is so fucking blatantly trying to establish a connection the only more obvious you could make it is to just scream that bin Laden and Hussen pinky-swore to be best friends forever.

You are just salivating over any excuse to drop bombs on muslims on some misinformed petty little revenge trip.

Well I would not go that far. I would say the the comfortable majority of the U.S. is completely ignorant though concerning the HATE/DIE/FUCK YOU/GO TO HELL B!TCH relationship that bin Laden and Hussein have.

They hate each other. <---- That is a period.

kyoukan type-R wrote:Sorry but saying 9/11 was the first blow when you are giving a reason as to why you are attacking Iraq is so fucking blatantly trying to establish a connection the only more obvious you could make it is to just scream that bin Laden and Hussen pinky-swore to be best friends forever.

You are just salivating over any excuse to drop bombs on muslims on some misinformed petty little revenge trip.

If you read what I have written today, you wouldn't sound so ignorant. I hate the idea that we have to go to war and that people will die.

Sometimes I really envy the way you go through life so obliviously. Life must be so easy for you. You are truly and amazingly ignorant.

You didnt miss the memo, you just werent paying attention in school, you feckless wretch. In my little world we actually went to school to learn things, call me peculiar. This included basic logic, language and communication skills. If you want to be taken seriously you should try it.

*Hugs*
Varia

PS- Cover sheets are cosmetic frippery- we just handed in the entire notebooks.

PPS- Yes I still have a tendency to run-on sentences and erratic comma use unless I spend time proofreading, but the content of what I'm saying is usually clear enough.

VariaVespasa wrote: PPS- Yes I still have a tendency to run-on sentences and erratic comma use unless I spend time proofreading, but the content of what I'm saying is usually clear enough.

Huh?.....j/k

kyoukan is a nub

Acies wrote: Well I would not go that far. I would say the the comfortable majority of the U.S. is completely ignorant though concerning the HATE/DIE/FUCK YOU/GO TO HELL B!TCH relationship that bin Laden and Hussein have.

They hate each other. <---- That is a period.

Not majority, more like minority~

Donnet wrote:kyoukan is a nub

Profound bro... really.

Ok Varia we will agree to disagree. What I took from my education was to not make assumptions.

But let me help you a bit.

9/11 was the first blow. Now our government has decided that terrorism is damned frightening that it wishes to reign fire and brimstone upon all it deems evil, in prevention, because they fear more incidents like 9/11.

Simple enough for you?

People like you really amaze me how you need every damned thing explained to you. You're the reason why our education system sucks so bad. The teahcers have to constantly go back and re-explain things, stopping the proper progression of the class.

Acies wrote:Profound bro... really.

he's been working up the nerve to post that for 6 months now and you make fun of him for it. way to kill his self-esteem.

Well I would not go that far. I would say the the comfortable majority of the U.S. is completely ignorant though concerning the HATE/DIE/FUCK YOU/GO TO HELL B!TCH relationship that bin Laden and Hussein have.

They hate each other. <---- That is a period.

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Thats true they hate each other but Hussein also knows there are some of bin ladens men in his country and has done nothing to boot them out. He may hate them but he would use them in a heart beat.

kyoukan type-R wrote:

Acies wrote:Profound bro... really.

he's been working up the nerve to post that for 6 months now and you make fun of him for it. way to kill his self-esteem.

Damn, I had no idea. I am so sorry bro.
Kyou is right, we must defend the rights of young posters to make a stupid flame and not get anything (like a counter flame) in response. I mean, it is not his fault that he was born with a bubble in his brain that lowers his apparent I.Q. to the point where you cannot test it, you have to dig for it.
My bad

One interesting thing about the Gulf War is that Saddam Hussein sincerely believes that he won. To him, survival is the win.

Well make sure to correct his thinking on this im sure.

Call me Miss Silly, but when I was learning english I was taught that "agreeing to disagree" meant that you stopped discussing it with the person in question and moved on to a different subject, or a different person. "Agreeing to disagree" does not mean promptly launching new attacks on the person youre talking to. Unclear on the concept, are we? I guess you were sleeping or passing notes to your friends and giggling inanely in that class too...

I thought the USS Cole was the first blow? No wait, wasnt it the embassy bombings? No, wasnt it.... Do try to remember things more than 2 years old.

Terrorism is damned frightening. TERRORism instills terror??? Omg, rilly?

The US government is reacting to 9/11. True enough, in part. But the subject was your sloppy writing that was conveying an impression to your readers other than the one you say you intended. It was not about what the government is doing or why. Stick to the subject.

What you took from your education- "People like you..." You shoulda taken how not to make generalisations too...

What you took from your education- "assumptions" You assumed I was a product of your education system...

What you took from your education- "assumptions" Well, regardless of your failure to even take that, you were supposed to take a whole array of stuff, including specific knowledge, practiced and polished techniques, and a way of thinking, in addition to sufficient intellectual awareness and integrity to avoid assumptions or generalisations. Its a pity you didnt.

US education- My recent knowledge of the US education system is limited- are there really as many multiple choice tests as I think there are; ie- 2/3 or more of all tests? Or am I outdated/misinformed/seriously high on paint?

I'm going back to bed for a couple hours, I'll see what there is to reply to when I get up again.

Remember, stick to the subject- your sloppy writing conveying ideas you did not intend. Not why the US wants to invade Iraq, not whether its a good idea, or if its right or wrong, or is connected to anything else etc. Your writing. Period. Either defend it, or prove that what Kyoukan and I saw as implied by your sentence structure and wording was actually an utterly unreasonable interpretation (which requires opinions other than your own saying so), or come out and say "whoops sorry, that was unclear, what I meant was..." Pick one.

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Varia

What I learned from my education is that, when you say "we'll just have to agree to disagree," that means "i'm wrong, please go away now."

In actuality, in almost any system of debate or logic, saying something like "agree to disagree" is considered a fallacy and a logical surrender.

I learned from my education that the statement "we will have to agree to disagree" could be interpreted just as easily as "I am through arguing with one that has an intellectual IQ of a sack of rocks".

Six to one,..half a dozen to the other. I say Toe-may-toe, you say Toe-mah-Toe.

Varia, I am so turned on right now

Kaluian_CT wrote:I learned from my education that the statement "we will have to agree to disagree" could be interpreted just as easily as "I am through arguing with one that has an intellectual IQ of a sack of rocks".

Six to one,..half a dozen to the other. I say Toe-may-toe, you say Toe-mah-Toe.

That is closer to my interpretation as well. Even closer would be I just feel as if neither side is getting anywhere so let's just talk about pie instead

Didn't I read somewhere that Midnyte was a Legion applicant? This rates up there with the Dixie Chicks faux pas.

Mp

Hi Mplor! *S*N*U*G*G*L*E*B*U*N*N*I*E*S*!*!*!*

Nods, Midnyte is a Legion app. Dont mind us, we're just mud-wrestling/trollling/counter-trolling. I dont much care what you do out of game as long as you behave yourself and have your shit together in-game anyway.

*Hugs*
Varia

Thats true they hate each other but Hussein also knows there are some of bin ladens men in his country and has done nothing to boot them out.

The Kurds, who Saddam considers his enemies are known to be protecting peole associated with Bin Laden.
They may be in Iraq but they are not afforded asylum or protected by Saddam Hussein.

Powell and Bush have tried very hard to come up with any sort of connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda and have completely failed.



Most Al Qaeda operatives are currently located in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Why is there no push from the USA to invade those countries and start bombing?

miir wrote:

Thats true they hate each other but Hussein also knows there are some of bin ladens men in his country and has done nothing to boot them out.

The Kurds, who Saddam considers his enemies are known to be protecting peole associated with Bin Laden.
They may be in Iraq but they are not afforded asylum or protected by Saddam Hussein.

Powell and Bush have tried very hard to come up with any sort of connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda and have completely failed.



Most Al Qaeda operatives are currently located in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Why is there no push from the USA to invade those countries and start bombing?

We have quite a few special op's people in Pakistan. And as far as us bombing Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, their gov't does not support terrorism like Afghan, and their leader isnt a dickwad like hussein: therefore, no need to~

So Bush is justified in bombing a dickwad who doesn't support terrorism?

miir wrote:So Bush is justified in bombing a dickwad who doesn't support terrorism?

We don't know that YET, but hopefully it will come out..whether he does or doesn't...as the world has the right to know~