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Winnow wrote:Lets not forget that black people kill too...they just get away with it.
Bullshit. Black people are only 13% of the population, yet nearly half of the prison population and 41% of the death row population.
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Winnow wrote:
O.J. Simpson reportedly selling 'the' knife

07:45 AM ET 10.20 | The dagger-like knife is arguably one of the most sought-after murder weapons in American history. Now, 18 years after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, reports have surfaced alleging that O.J. Simpson stashed the knife he used to slash their throats in the Bahamas, just a boat trip away from his former Kendall home. The first unconfirmed report, quoting unnamed sources, was published in The National Enquirer, and quickly spread from there. The Juice, reports say, purportedly wants to sell it as a $5 million souvenir of a perfect crime. "He's looking for a strictly cash deal so that the money can be deposited in offshore accounts and can't be traced directly to him," a source, identified only as someone close to the pro football Hall of Famer, told The Enquirer. The story made Ron Goldman's father's blood boil. "There has been enormous speculation over the years of where it is and what it is," David Cook, lawyer for Fred Goldman, told The Miami Herald on Thursday about the knife. "It has reached that point where we've literally gone into the macabre. ... If this story is to be believed, it is an act of pure narcissism on the part of Simpson."

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Lets not forget that FAMOUS people kill too...they just get away with it.

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why do you rise to winnow's worthless fucking trolls
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It finally blew a gasket!
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That Trayvon Martin guy sounds like a thug. Sounds the jury won't be allowed to know what a thug he was.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/28/justice/f ... ?hpt=hp_t1
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A thug? Are you that sheltered/retarded or just completely trolling?
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Funkmasterr wrote:A thug? Are you that sheltered/retarded or just completely trolling?
Ah, you're probably right. I haven't verified he's spit on anyone yet. I take back my thug accusation until I can verify more details.
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Black people who break the law are thugs.
White people who break the law are troubled.
Brown people who break the law are terrorists.

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amen!

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Ooh this is fun.

Christians who break the law are justified.
Muslims who break the law have religious rights.
Atheists who break the law are a stain on society.
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(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.

Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.

"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."

When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.

It had nothing to do with Florida's controversial Stand Your Ground law, he said; from an investigative standpoint, it was purely a matter of self-defense

Zimmerman told police he killed Martin after the teen attacked him. While the evidence at the time corroborated that claim, the ex-chief said, Lee's lead investigator made a recommendation that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury.

"The police department needed to do a job, and there was some influence -- outside influence and inside influence -- that forced a change in the course of the normal criminal justice process," Lee said. "With all the influence and the protests and petitions for an arrest, you still have to uphold you oath."

"That investigation was taken away from us. We weren't able to complete it," he said.
What now WGers?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/s ... ?hpt=hp_c2

If Zimmerman goes free there will be a bigger riot based on ignorance than happened after the E3 console presentations.
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yeah, a wimpy, cop wanna-be guns down a black kid in the middle of the day in Florida when he had every right in the world to be where he was with no witnesses and the cops let him out nearly right away because it was "self defense"

that's totally within the boundaries of law enforcement.

you're such a terrible troll I don't know why you bother. your whiny, transparent trolling for attention is gross. why won't you fuck off while grown ups talk?

I understand that pussy ass fucking half-men like Zimmerman and yourself harbor fantasies about gunning down niggers and getting a medal for it, but that's not how the real world works. You haven't been caught with all your child porn yet so you might not get it, but there are consequences to your actions in society.
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Nice. Thought you weren't going to squeeze in a child porn reference there for a sec. You're safe. Sucking the life out of some rich dumb guy isn't a crime I guess. It should be a crime to pump out babies in order to insure your security though. Heading back to gutting fish again would suck.

On topic. The drugged up black guy isn't some holy saint martyr. Drugged up black guy beat on a guy that happened to have a gun and shot when he was getting his ass beat by drugged up black guy. Result: dead drugged up black guy.

No one would care if it was two blacks or two whites but since it was a black dude that died, the white guilt crowd feels the need to get involved.
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I know, right. That happens every, single, time.

Or, almost exactly the opposite.
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Drugged up black guy beat on a guy that happened to have a gun and shot when he was getting his ass beat by drugged up black guy. Result: dead drugged up black guy.
You are either trolling like she says, or you're fucking retarded. The "drug" in question is pot. Yeah, a real violence inducing drug. But anything to justify your opinion, right?

In your world: Trayvon beat his ass so he deserves to get shot.

In the real world: Zimmerman, neighborhood watch guy with a gun, decided to stop someone doing absolutely nothing illegal. Trayvon did beat his ass. What neither you nor I know is why they fought. What I do know, and you fail to acknowledge (out of pride or ignorance) is that Zimmerman initiated this confrontation, period. Not the other way around.

Self defense, stand your ground law? In my opinion, you don't get to start a confrontation and get off scott free by claiming self defense. This isn't the 1800s.


You want to pin my (and others) opinion on being based on Trayvon being black. I don't give one fuck about him being black. I'm looking at the entire scenario. Neighborhood watch guy with a gun, kid doing nothing illegal without a gun, dead kid.
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You can't go around beating on neighborhood watch citizens no matter what race you are. Sucks for the angry young man that the guy he chose to beat on had a gun.
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You can't go around picking fights with innocent citizens, kill them, then claim self defense, no matter what vigilante fantasies you have. Sucks for the angry young cop wannabe that he chose to murder someone.
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Stonie wrote:You can't go around picking fights with innocent citizens, kill them, then claim self defense, no matter what vigilante fantasies you have. Sucks for the angry young cop wannabe that he chose to murder someone.
First part "picking fights" is speculative.

It doesn't suck for him because he's going to walk free! (haven't heard the verdict yet)

They might need to break out the water cannons to control the riots afterward.
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First part "picking fights" is speculative.

Exactly. Which is also no more or less speculative than anything your opinion is based on. But to hear you say it, it's not about how the chain of events started. To you, it's only about white guilt and an angry drugged black kid. To you, it's not possible that Zimmerman started a chain of events. He's not a cop, he had ZERO right to confront Trayvon. His sole job as neighbor watch is to call the cops and let them do their job.
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Stonie wrote:
First part "picking fights" is speculative.

Exactly. Which is also no more or less speculative than anything your opinion is based on. But to hear you say it, it's not about how the chain of events started. To you, it's only about white guilt and an angry drugged black kid. To you, it's not possible that Zimmerman started a chain of events. He's not a cop, he had ZERO right to confront Trayvon. His sole job as neighbor watch is to call the cops and let them do their job.
Sure it "could" be a hate crime but based on the evidence, he should go free. You can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt so you can't send someone to jail on speculation.
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In your last few posts, you've gone from this being less about Zimmerman's guilt, less about an angry black pothead kid's desire to beat up an armed neighborhood watchman, and less about white guilt; to being more about Zimmerman getting off on reasonable doubt.

Thanks for answering my first question: Troll instead of retard.
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I don't see why it has to be either one or the other.
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The 4 lost minutes destroyed any actual case they ever had. If anyone ever bothered to actually look at the layout of the neighborhood and the sequence of events (instead of making up their mind ahead of time and refusing to look at actual facts), there was absolutely no chance of conviction. A drunken baboon could have staggered and crawled to the house Trayvon was staying in from the starting point in 2-3 minutes. Anything that happened was because he did not go home...he circled around and came back to where Zimmerman was.

Zimmerman is a moron and broke no laws by following someone who he did not recognize from his neighborhood.
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-Zimmerman was willing to tell the police investigators everything, right up front, and later at the station, and later in the walk through at the scene. His various statements are exactly as consistent as they should be. The investigator said that is to be expected, and that if what Zimmerman said every time (immediately after, on interview in the station, and later in a walk through) was 100% the same, that is what would be suspicious and is what would indicate a likely fabrication. The investigator is completely correct about that.

-When being interviewed by the investigator, the investigator lied and told Zimmerman there was a video recording of the event. What did Zimmerman say? "THANK GOD"

-Zimmerman passed a lie detector/voice stress analyzer test, which he voluntarily took.

-Responding officers noted Zimmerman's back was wetter and covered in more grass than his front, and Martin's pants had grass stains on the knees (which were still there at trial in evidence)

-The lead investigator in the case said that he believed Z was telling the truth.

-Zimmerman had an injured nose (according to the forensic pathologist, who is THE MAN in that field), it was probably broken.

-The forensic and ballistic evidence are consistent with Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin while Martin was on top of him

-John Good's eye witness testimony is consistent with Zimmerman's story. He was the closest witness with the best view. He basically said Martin was on top, pounding on Z, while Z was screaming for help

-Zimmerman had at least two separate and distinct hemotobas (sp?) on the back of his head, consistent with a FORCEFUL impact on a hard, flat, not-entirely- smooth surface (like concrete)

-Martin's only injury, other than the single gunshot round, was a small cut on one of his fingers

-Martin had a 4 minute head start (prosecution didn't even try to disagree with defense about this) on Zimmerman from the time Zimmerman lost sight of him to the time they interacted. This alone makes it clear that the confrontation only happened because Martin wanted it to

-Following somebody is not in any way illegal, and being followed by somebody (in this case it seems Z was following at a distance prior to losing sight of Martin for several minutes) is absolutely not legal grounds to attack them.

-Martin, for what it's worth, had a bunch of texts and facebook posts about fighting, being in fights, and having other people ask Martin to teach them to fight and even something about how to break somebody's nose in one punch, as well as tests from Martin about how the other guy in one of his fights didn't bleed enough

-The girl on the phone with Martin prior to the incident (not his girlfriend, just a girl he'd been talking to for 2-3 weeks) didn't talk to investigators for some time afterwards, and not until after talking to the crooked Martin family attorney first. She committed perjury at least twice, she initially lied about her age because she didn't want to be involved, and she lied on the stand during trial by saying Martin never told her anything about any fights or fighting. We have phone records with texts than say otherwise. Those records, BTW, were not heard by the jury due to gross prosecutorial misconduct. The prosecution withheld evidence from the defense in clear violation of discovery laws. Look for them to possibly be disbarred and possibly face other criminal or civil sanctions.

-Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father, initially said that was not his sons screaming on the 911 call, he later lied about this in court. The prosecution even moved to strike the testimony of BOTH police officers who were there and said that Tracy Martin clearly said and mouthed "no". Tracy's lame excuse was that he moved back in his chair and a squeaky wheel may have made it sound like he said no, but he didn't.

-The law says (and it should) that lethal force is justified and lawful when such force is reasonably believed to be necessary to prevent imminent serious bodily harm or death. NO injuries even need to actually be received, so long as the person reasonably fears imminent serious bodily harm or death (or forcible felony).

-Zimmerman stated on the first call to dispatch that Martin was acting like he was on drugs or something. THC was found in his bloodstream and the state's own witness, the medical examiner responsible for the autopsy, stated that the THC levels were high enough they could have affected Martin's behavior.
My only conclusion over the outrage of the jury's decision after you look at what actually took place is that it's just white guilt people (or any clueless person in general) still clinging to the belief that something unjust took place just because it was a Hispanic that killed a black person. You should see some of the absolutely retarded tweets coming from NFL players and other "celebrities".
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Based on the evidence presented I couldn't have convicted him either. I had too many reasonable doubt(s). It's an interesting case though.
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No wonder the USA is so full of overweight gun toting cowards. It is totally legal to walk around armed and murder black kids after deliberately stalking them. The whole country must be like a giant theme park to these worthless try-hard cop pussies.

Oh well, at least he will eventually get killed by someone who believes in actual justice and not the embarrassing mockery that is the state of Florida's judicial system.
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kyoukan wrote:No wonder the USA is so full of overweight gun toting cowards. It is totally legal to walk around armed and murder black kids after deliberately stalking them. The whole country must be like a giant theme park to these worthless try-hard cop pussies.

Oh well, at least he will eventually get killed by someone who believes in actual justice and not the embarrassing mockery that is the state of Florida's judicial system.
Yep. I don't think it'll take long either.
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It was self defense.

Now continue not giving a shit about blacks killing blacks.
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Moral to the story: If someone is following you, don't lose them and then stalk the stalker for 4 minutes and then jump them and pound them senseless as they may have a gun and shoot you dead.

Following someone that looks suspicious isn't a crime. It may be frustrating that the initial cause was being followed but it was the dead guy's own initiative to jump Zimmerman and start pounding on him. Zimmerman didn't gun him down in cold blood, he was getting the shit kicked out of him.
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Winnow wrote:Moral to the story: If someone is following you, don't lose them and then stalk the stalker for 4 minutes and then jump them and pound them senseless as they may have a gun and shoot you dead.

Following someone that looks suspicious isn't a crime. It may be frustrating that the initial cause was being followed but it was the dead guy's own initiative to jump Zimmerman and start pounding on him. Zimmerman didn't gun him down in cold blood, he was getting the shit kicked out of him.
Unfortunately they both made mistakes and over-reacted, Zimmerman just took it to the next level. He also could have taken the beating and had the cops arrest Travvon for assault, then we never would have even heard about the incident. Zimmerman was not going to lose this one, too many questions, but he will lose the wrongfull death case.
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Under current Florida law, you cannot file a civil suit for this. If you injure or kill someone while defending yourself, you cannot be targeted by a civil suit for those injuries. Now that is not going to stop those horrifically inept retards from filing another politically motivated case against him, but it will get tossed by any appeals court.

Many states who instituted a castle doctrine or a stand your ground law also instituted tort reforms and immunity from civil suits as a package deal.
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Remember he wasn't found innocent, he was acquitted.

*Edit - Bored and reading while dinner cooked - acquitted didn't mean what I thought it did.

My view reading the evidence as presented? Angry young black man figured he'd teach dumpy white doofus a lesson for following him and was shot for it. Both are wrong, one is dead and the others' life is pretty much ruined. Other angry young black men angrier, people with guns all around even more nervous.

Moar editing - hoping the media doesn't whip people into a frenzy and have even more black people put in jail over this.
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Winnow wrote:Moral to the story: If someone is following you, don't lose them and then stalk the stalker for 4 minutes and then jump them and pound them senseless as they may have a gun and shoot you dead.
Zimmerman had a broken nose and was bloodied a little bit, but that doesn't justify ending a 17-year-old kid's life.
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Spang wrote:Zimmerman had a broken nose and was bloodied a little bit, but that doesn't justify ending a 17-year-old kid's life.
What should he have done? Taken the ass whipping and hope he didn't get beaten to death?
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Stonie wrote:The "drug" in question is pot. Yeah, a real violence inducing drug.
On this one - In FL? It certainly can be violence inducing. Most of the "pot" sold here is either completely fake or treated with the stuff they use to make artificial pot.

Fake pot doesn't have the anti-psychotic compounds found in the real stuff. Generally still shows up in tests as pot. I've first hand experience with a number of people going absolutely off the deep end after using it for a while.

Real pot if not abused is fairly benign to those around the user.
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Aabidano wrote:
Spang wrote:Zimmerman had a broken nose and was bloodied a little bit, but that doesn't justify ending a 17-year-old kid's life.
What should he have done? Taken the ass whipping and hope he didn't get beaten to death?
He should have stayed in his fucking house like the 911 responder told him to. But yes, once he went out he should've taken the ass whooping he earned like a man.
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Aabidano wrote:What should he have done?
Not been playing cop-pretend.
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Funkmasterr wrote:He should have stayed in his fucking house like the 911 responder told him to. But yes, once he went out he should've taken the ass whooping he earned like a man.
No argument with the first part, following through your logic though Martin got what was coming to him as payment for the ass whipping. Bringing fists to a gun fight....

Sad all around, neither was showing sense. Zimmerman less so.
Not been playing cop-pretend.
True. The whole situation would seem to be his fault, which doesn't necessarily mean he's a murderer legally.
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The entire thing is not Zimmerman's fault. The dead guy purposely came back and attacked Zimmerman. The dead guy is the one that threw down.

What did the dead guy expect? He bragged about his previous fights saying "they didn't bleed enough". He obviously wasn't a model citizen. Sorry but you can't just start beating on someone without possible consequences. Confront them, call the police if you feel being followed is a crime...don't attack them for following you. It's the dead guy's fault that he's dead and no one else's fault. Zimmerman didn't chase him down. The opposite occurred.

Zimmerman's neighborhood is a safer place.
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Winnow wrote:The entire thing is not Zimmerman's fault.
Entire thing? No, they both participated.
Winnow wrote:The dead guy purposely came back and attacked Zimmerman. The dead guy is the one that threw down.

What did the dead guy expect? He bragged about his previous fights saying "they didn't bleed enough". He obviously wasn't a model citizen. Sorry but you can't just start beating on someone without possible consequences. Confront them, call the police if you feel being followed is a crime...don't attack them for following you. It's the dead guy's fault that he's dead and no one else's fault. Zimmerman didn't chase him down. The opposite occurred.

Zimmerman's neighborhood is a safer place.
You're trolling but I agree basically.

*Edit - Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be in the state tomorrow to make things worse for everyone.
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Aabidano wrote:Sad all around, neither was showing sense. Zimmerman less so.
Jail is full of people who made mistakes. Not showing any sense when you pull out a gun and shoot someone in the heart does not exonerate you from guilt and/or punishment. Well except in Florida, I guess.
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The guy was scared shitless with fists of fury raining down on him. I doubt he was picking his spot of where he wanted to shoot. It was self defense. Some guy jumped him and started pounding on him. From the description of the scene he was pinned down. It's not like he could have run away. He was screaming for help while future dead guy continued to beat on him. Dead guy's lust for fights and blood cost him his life.

Totally dead guy's fault. That's exactly why people carry guns...in case crazy ass people jump them and start beating on them. You people act like a guy on neighborhood watch that is a little overzealous in his duties should be jumped and have the shit beaten out of him. At most, he was an annoying person. Dead guy is the one that kicked it into violent mode.
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You do know you can just type 'Martin' as it's less letters than "Dead Guy". I mean you take the time to spell out Zimmerman... Something wrong with saying the dead guy's name?
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Winnow would fit right in at Stormfront.
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he is trolling the shit out of you for attention and you are rising to it. this is why he never leaves.
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Zimmerman didn't chase him down. The opposite occurred.

Zimmerman's neighborhood is a safer place.
You are correct, Kyoukan. Troll and retard.
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kyoukan wrote:he is trolling the shit out of you for attention and you are rising to it. this is why he never leaves.
The only one getting trolled is you. Everyone else has been smart enough to figure that out.
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oh god all these years I have been falling for your clever mind games
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To my stalker:

You have been saving VV posters from themselves for years!

OMG Winnow's trolling...can't you see?!?!11 You dumbasses! He's trolling you!

Thanks info! Keep up the public service announcements as you are way smarter than all the other VVers and need to let them know what's up. If you could be a little more useful and point out your moronic posts about world changing events and financial statuses of companies in each of those you'd save me some time.

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