VeeshanVault

What's the story with Sleestakk?

I wound up quitting stormhammer about 3 weeks ago but found out he is on the server now and applying to my former guild. I asked around a bit and found he left because of a power struggle.

Since I have heard everything from he left due to others to he left because the guild didn't give him enough loot I was kinda curious.

Just hoping to find an explanation, I'll even take PM's if someone wishes to avoid commenting in public.

Thanks!

Weird..... I thought I saw Sleestakk on Veeshan this morning?

He apparently moved this evening. Takes anywhere from 1-3 hours to move a char over.

Nevermind, krurk posted about 4 seconds ahead of me.

I don't know about Sleestakk, but I do know Acolyte and Ninan joined Leviathan a long time ago... also ex-PD. So he may have gone to be with them.

<8 krurk

This wonderful news calls for the dancing bananas!!!

Much for the Krurk.

This isn't dancing bananas however....

what do I have to do with this thread?

Oh well:

this is potentially the best thread here in weeks? wtf no bites?

Voro, if you want to read some flaming why not go check out this little gem on the SH forums? (http://www.stormhammer.org)

Apparently TR had a few officers in cohorts with Yantis selling off everything in the guild that wasn't nailed down.

I know it's not related to Veeshan, but sometimes you just gotta branch out when looking for a flame or two.

btw CNN sucks!
/flame off

Voronwë wrote:this is potentially the best thread here in weeks? wtf no bites?

Oh wtf... Sleestalk is a fucking gimp!

(I don't think I've ever had any personal experiences with him, or had a problem with him, but wtf, this thread is dying. ><)

(Actually thought his recent post to one of the dreaded political threads was fairly insightful.)

Krurk the only value of Stormhammer is that there are people like you who sometimes come back to real servers and talk a little shit and entertain the rest of us. I give 2 shits about TR and Yantis (whatever/whoever the fuck that is).

if i wanted to read a flaming gimpfest i'd go to Searyx's server board

PS thanks for this thread, i think its gonna be good!

Voronwë wrote:this is potentially the best thread here in weeks? wtf no bites?

The nature and extent of our current national crisis, as well as its causes and cures, are the subject of intense political struggle. I offer this post as a contribution to that struggle and debate in hopes of helping to strengthen our roots so we can weather the storms that threaten our foundation. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and investigate Voronwe's psychotic, mephitic principles, ideals, and objectives. All he really wants is to hang onto the perks he's getting from the system. That's all he really cares about.

If you're interested in the finagling, double-dealing, chicanery, cheating, cajolery, cunning, rascality, and abject villainy by which he may stand in the way of progress by the next full moon, then you'll want to consider the following very carefully. You'll especially want to consider that we were put on this planet to be active, to struggle, and to study the problem and recommend corrective action. We were not put here to persecute the innocent and let the guilty go unpunished, as Voronwe might feel. Let us postulate that there is a genuine coldness, a chill, that pervades the land, as people are scared to death by his vainglorious, fork-tongued teachings. In that case, the hour is late indeed. Fortunately, it's not yet too late to announce that we may need to picket, demonstrate, march, or strike to stop Voronwe before he can promote a culture of dependency and failure. If I am correct that two wrongs don't make a right, then Voronwe contributes nothing to society, and everyone with half a brain understands that. He wants us to believe that we can solve all of our problems by giving him lots of money. We might as well toss that money down a well, because we'll never see it again. What we will see, however, is that Voronwe maintains that he is omnipotent. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that he has never satisfactorily proved his assertion that the majority of self-absorbed, sadistic spongers are heroes, if not saints. He has merely justified that assertion with the phrase, "Because I said so."

We now know for certain that Voronwe's disciples intend to canonize eccentric self-promoters as nomological emblems of propriety. (Read as: it's a sad world where capricious bohemians have the power to gag free speech.) Voronwe's idea of complacent negativism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of an ethically bankrupt blood-lust. It is, in every literal sense, an unambitious and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a whiney frenzy and then prompts them to pose a threat to personal autonomy and social development.

Let Voronwe's insufferable imprecations stand as evidence that Voronwe wants us to feel sorry for the insolent schizophrenics who fill the air with recrimination and rancor. I contend we should instead feel sorry for their victims, all of whom know full well that Voronwe wants me to stop trying to convince nefarious wimps to stop supporting Voronwe and tolerating his antics. Instead, he'd rather I tear off all my clothes and run naked down the street. Sorry, but I don't accept defeat that easily. Nonetheless, it seems clear that if we submit to his definition of "unproportionableness" and become intransigent, we have lost the war for self-preservation. But we ought to look at the matter in a broader framework before we draw final conclusions on the subject: We see that Voronwe's tirades are designed to conceal information and, occasionally, blatantly lie. And they're working; they're having the desired effect.

Some people consider Voronwe's sentiments a necessary evil, but the truth is that it's easy to tell if Voronwe is lying. If his lips are moving, he's lying. By toning down his screeds, many more people are exposed to his lascivious message, convinced by his passion, and seduced by his simplistic answers to complex social problems. As I noted at the beginning of this letter, I can no longer get very excited about any revelation of his hypocrisy or crookedness. It's what I've come to expect by now. Now, I don't mean for that to sound pessimistic, although Voronwe doesn't care about freedom, as he can neither eat it nor put it in the bank. It's just a word to him. Even if we accepted his criticisms, so what? Does that mean that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel? Of course not.

The cry of "bigot" is raised mostly by bigots. Voronwe will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if he didn't, you might come to realize that he insists that he can walk on water. This fraud, this lie, is just one among the thousands he perpetrates. Do we not, as rational men and women, owe it to both our heritage and our posterity to do what needs to be done? I think we do.

Fortunately, the groundswell of quiet opposition to Voronwe is getting less quiet and more organized. Still, the baneful nature of Voronwe's commentaries is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can testify. My next point of order is that his subordinates claim that insurrectionism is the only alternative to cameralism. I say to them, "Prove it" -- not that they'll be able to, of course, but because Voronwe's reason is not true reason. It does not seek the truth, but only antihumanist answers, grungy resolutions to conflicts.

In keeping with all of their inner appalling brutality, Voronwe's bootlickers leave helpless citizens afraid in the streets, in their jobs, and even in their homes. Voronwe, do you feel no shame for what you've done? We must also assert with all the sincerity of informed experience and the desperate desire to see our beloved country survive that on the issue of opportunism, he is wrong again. Sure, in Voronwe's minions, we can recognize the symptoms of decay of a slowly rotting world. But I appreciate feedback and other people's views on subjects. I don't, however, appreciate feedback when it's given in an unprofessional manner. I understand that Voronwe has a blatant disregard for society's basic laws, but it's unfortunate that Voronwe has no real education. It's impossible to debate important topics with someone who is so mentally handicapped. I, for one, don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to lead us all toward a better, brighter future, because doing so clearly demonstrates how he can fool some of the people all of the time. He can fool all of the people some of the time. But Voronwe can't fool all of the people all of the time.

The entire premise of his refrains is incredibly offensive to any self-respecting person. (Actually, he has a deep conviction that doing the fashionable thing is more important than life or liberty, but that's not important now.) Voronwe's practices are so lawless that if allowed to go unanswered, their final cost would be incalculable.

At first blush, it appears that Voronwe is the root of all evil. However, one of the great mysteries of modern life is, Why do we put up with Voronwe? You know the answer, don't you? You probably also know that Voronwe says that people don't mind having their communities turned into war zones. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that he can change his tyrannical ways. Should this be discussed in school? You bet. That's the function of education: To teach students how to raise blathering freebooters out of their cultural misery and lead them to the national community as a valuable, united factor. Voronwe wants to take a condescending cheap shot at a person that most disagreeable spivs will never be in a position to condescend to. It gets better: He actually believes that his sermons provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything. I guess no one's ever told him that of all of his exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "There is something intellectually provocative in the tired rehashing of odious stereotypes." I myself don't know where he came up with this, but his statement is dead wrong. In closing, all that I ask is that you join me to stop Voronwe and prevent the production of a new crop of deceitful freeloaders.

-Shae


http://hugin.sigusr1.org/~pakin/complaint

Edit: Double

in my own personaly universe you are banned for the weekend.

STFU is so aptly named.

and you even double posted that garbage...

Voronwë wrote:in my own personaly universe you are banned for the weekend.

STFU is so aptly named.

and you even double posted that garbage...

Makes sense... Errr. Wait, no that was fucking stupid. wtf is your problem?

Any post over 2 paragraphs long gets scrolled by. k.

Welcome to STFU

ROFL!!!! This is awesome! lol Why didn't anyone tell me that all I had to do to get these needledicks to /ignore me would be to post an automatically generated rant? hehehehe

Hey, I have an idea, let's cheer the 12-year old pr0n spammers, and act like we're STFUing anyone who posts more than a few words! And then, for the attention whore in us, we can let people know that we're acting like we're putting them on STFU.

Next? rofl Keep 'em comming, this is effortless!

Automatic complaint generator is soooooooo two years ago.

Slee moved because of the power struggle between Ixt/leg and PD...

Atleast thats how he put it.

Ok, time to help the flamefest start up at my own cost.

Yes I left for stormhammer. I was tired of logging in every day to hate tells, trains, etc. Veeshan is a server out of control and SOE has no plan in sight to address the serious issues developing there. Instead of outright retiriing I decided to give my very persuasive and good friends on SH a chance to prove that there can be a "FUN and ENTERTAINING" experience in this game without all the lies, cheating, and insults.

Whether you hated me, liked me, or were indifferent I had been around on Veeshan a very long time... we can all agree many of the original beta players are gone or now retiring. I was a villain to some, a hero to others, and yet a gimp to even others. I have to say honestly out of all the posts I have ever seen on these forums I have seen perhaps a shred (1%) truth as to anything that actually transpired.

As for PD I didn't leave them in a bad spot. I stuck around (long past the point of being happy playing on this shitty server) to make sure that they had a good solid team... and they do. As for all the stories of my loot whoring infamy, something that I believe started back in the days with FoH when I was awarded the CT slime gloves and been propogated into beyond enormous proportions from all reality I really can't say much. I have had 6 loot awards in the last 6 months and had the lowest loot per raid percentage in my guild for my class (in fact 50% lower than many of the others). I often got treated very well by PD with very good items but also many instances where I was passed over for nice things too. If I had been the proported lootwhore then it would have been more logical for me to stay on Veeshan than go to SH and start from absolute ZERO. My leaving has nothing to do with loots.

I admire Trias and Spankes and the officer team and firmly believe they have turned PD around from the brink of collapse. As testament to their abilties, look at how CT faired when they had a shakeup... they basically and utterly fell apart. My leaving has nothing to do with a power struggle. I didn't always get along with all the officers, but then again I didn't struggle with them either. I never wanted control of PD back because being a guildleader is a headache beyond belief and once you step back from it for a bit you realize its all ego and no substance. In summary, no power struggle, no smoking gun.

So in my farewell all I can say is that I burnt out on all the Hate and felt it was time I took a chance at actually enjoying playing, something I have only felt a handful of times in the last few years.

To all my friends my love and to all those that hate me so much, good luck.

Sleestakk

SleestakkPD wrote:...Veeshan is a server out of control and SOE has no plan in sight to address the serious issues developing there...

Congratulations, that is the stupidest thing I have ever read on these boards.

Sleestakk is a fucking gimp.

(no qualifiers this time)

Good luck Slee, if you're reading this. For what it's worth you were without a doubt the most driven and insightful guildleader I've ever had the pleasure of working with. You took a handful of people and transformed them into one of the most powerful guilds on the server basically overnight... Frankly, I don't feel you ever did get the respect you deserved, but for what it's worth, I was glad to be a part of it.

I hope you find what you're looking for on Stormhammer, or wherever you end up...

Aranuil wrote:

SleestakkPD wrote:...Veeshan is a server out of control and SOE has no plan in sight to address the serious issues developing there...

Congratulations, that is the stupidest thing I have ever read on these boards.

Wow, you must not read Kooky's posts...

Veeshan out of control? Nice one, Slee.

i think Veeshan is an awesome server.

There are certainly some people i have made enemies with, some of it was my fault, some of it was not. But all in all, i think that there are a lot of cool people and a lot of guilds that are well organized and led by capable players, which makes the competition keen.

on veeshan the player community - for the most part - polices itself. In part because of declining customer service from Sony over the past year, and in part because the wealth of high end content. There arent 4-8 worhwhile spawns anymore that only one guild has proven it can kill. for example, lots of guilds can kill Tunare and AoW now, and get some kickass items. That is great.

certainly guild leaders are more of a lightning rod for conflict than regular players, and they deal with a much greater stress load than regular players. but i am of the opinion, that for the most part, the play environment you experience - with regards to how you perceive other players actions - is something that your own actions contribute greatly to forming.

anyways, i don't have anything personally against you, i was mostly just goofing off on this thread. i do disagree with your blanket condemnation of the server though.

just an aside, you talk about few of the truly old generation players remaining. Did you play a character before your iksar? just curious, i remember you levelling up rapidly in kunark, as many do, which suggests you had played the game before that expansion.

have a good one.

Voronwë wrote:My thoughts exactly.

Seconded.

I truly consider it a priviledge to be playing on Veeshan. Veeshan has some of the best players, and best people I can imagine playing with.

Though I occasionally sling the h8, I want you to know that I you all!

Except for the few of you who know who you are.

/Group therapy hug

Anyways I didn't really have anything against Slee regarding the move, I was more concerned over some information I was given for his reasons being loot based.

It's hard to bad mouth a server that gave birth to the genius of Gurugurumaki anyways.

I apologize if my statement regarding the server was too much of a generalization. However, there are serious problems with SOE CS and between guilds on Veeshan. The last weeks multiple scenarios involving trains, ksing, insults, all of which I had nothing to do with and wasn't part of in any fashion except the Cursed conflict where I was accused in OOC of exploiting the kill, the GM despawned the mob, then made us kill again, and determined there was no exploit illustrates the point I have been trying to make that things are certainly worse than anything I can remember. The mud slinging on all sides involved is beyond acceptable to me and I no longer find it tolerable (I never enjoyed any of it). Some thrive on it, I always thrived on accomplishments, friendships, and the excitement of reaching a new goal.

Yes, I played pre-kunark, in fact I had 1 level 50 character (a wizard named xilochot) and several level 30+ characters months before Kunark. In the earliest days I played on another server for a few months before heading to Veeshan. I moved to Veeshan and found back then a bunch of really fantastic people (back then). Veeshan still has the greatest players around. But it also has the most arrogant and cruel people I have seen too. It seems that something (maybe its just my perception) was lost along these years for player respect etc.

I appreciate the tells from Sorn and others last night calling me a piece of shit, good riddance etc as I logged into Stormhammer. I don't even know who Sorn is.

SleestakkPD wrote:I appreciate the tells from Sorn and others last night calling me a piece of shit, good riddance etc as I logged into Stormhammer. I don't even know who Sorn is.

Apparently he's one of the faceless multitude that you pissed on throughout your career on Veeshan. Good luck in future endeavors.

that was my point. often times the shit you take is directly proportionate to the shit you make.

GM said that standing your casters on the arch is not an exploit. i guess that is their prerogative.

i guess the way i see it is it prevents the clerics from being in danger of being attacked by charmed players (who will not summon them) because they can't path to them. that is conjecture on my part, but am i not correct in assuming that is the reason you put all your casters on the arch?

avoiding NPCs (who cannot summon) by using world geometry to avoid their pathing is an exploit as old as freeport guards. because some noob GM doesnt get that, well consider yourself lucky.

we all know over half of the GMs out there are total 100% noobs. I dont know who this one was, but because a GM doesnt realize you are gimping an encounter doesnt mean you arent.

regardless, even if it is a condoned tactic, i personally dont understand why you would choose to use it. but there are some people who have no compunction to camp into planes to avoid the breaks and such, and the way i see this (with limited direct knowledge of the circumstances) is really in essence no different. but hey, i'm not losing sleep over it, just giving you my opinion.

First, the casters were moved to the arch because we thought that would help when all AE was bugged in SSRA after that wonderful patch (you know, the one where people were randomly sent to bind) and going through the walls (which it didn't and our casters still were hit).

PCs can and DO PATH up the arch and DO HIT the players. Charmed PCs are NPCS, and NPCS can hit the casters (and do quite frequently). One of Ixtlan's monks ran over to our fight, was promptly charmed, and started beating on our main cleric so I saw no problems with pathing there.

I think the biggest benefit from positioning them there becasue it places the healers in the center of the kill spot meaning the melee don't go OOR of heals (generally a bad thing). And thats about the biggest benefit from that. I guess the great tacticians in Ixtlan and Legion didn't think of that point because in their minds we suck to much to actually have innovative ideas and we must have exploited our way through every encounter the last 2 years.. Well our tactic was developed in large part from the mind of a 15 year old kid and it is greater than standing back trying that ranged strategy... which obviously doesn't work well because we watched them wipe 3 or 4 times in front of us doing it. Then to make up for their lack of skill/forethought they assumed we must of been exploiting because we would outright kill cursed head on... and we only lost to cursed one time (our first try) because he warped to the center of room and healed to 80% then started summoning us.

As for the GM, it was the GM ADMIN, who knows, he could have been clueless for all I know but he ruled we were playing fairly. As for Veeshan policing itself. There is a group of people that claim to have the moral high ground and that they are in fact the Police. Who the hell put them in charge? Think about it and you will realize that the responsibility is on CS not on the players because the players are not in the position to be in charge unless they take so by force because they certainly not elected... this isn't a democracy. All I see for policing is a mob mentality that believes whatever a few individuals claim is to be true and everyone lynching the accused. Yes, a bunch of lynching on your server, thats OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS to be proud of.

right, the problem is EVERYBODY ELSE, not you.

have fun on Stormhammer.

Where did I claim it was everyone else?

All I see for policing is a mob mentality that believes whatever a few individuals claim is to be true and everyone lynching the accused. Yes, a bunch of lynching on your server, thats OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS to be proud of.

thats the way i read it.

/shrug

anyways, i have no vested interest in 'sending you out on a rail'.

have a good one =)

You gotta admit that you fucked over OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of people during your EQ career on Veeshan, both purposefully and inadvertantly. You reap what you sow.

Thanks for doing your part in trying to make Veeshan a better server by /movelog.

Personally, I don't give two shits where you place your casters whether it be the conventional method behind the wall or if you decide to put them up on the arch of the hallway. However, I do feel that using the arch while the ae's were bugged may have been a huge benefit to your victory. For us, our clerics just died showing full health without warning. Other times in the past, we have fucked up our strategy, but that doesn't make us "less insightful." PD chooses the straight up method, then that's just great - you should use what works best for you.

All in all, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing about Cursed. An example would be the thread started by Bratly. What, you want a fucking cookie for killing cursed? You don't see us posting threads like "so guys.. how'd that emp attempt go?" Yea yea, most from PD will say they were screwed out of emperor thanks to PNP. That's what you get for trying to play leap frog then port in to prep and wait for more - a port to zone in courtesy of the GM.

Don't get me wrong, PD has some really nice people and skilled at that, but then again I see OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of ignorant assholes who I wish would die irl. Even that faggot Ebumar is pretty cool when you get to know him out of OOC Stupid little things like trying to steal shard camps just piss me off, a few names to mention would be Rumpel, Tither, Marjoke, Boogeyman. If any of you PD shit talkers would like to see the vex thal key, feel free to send me a tell and I'll be more than happy to link it to you. If you aren't among this crowd and feel offended, then I apologize ahead of time.

Anyway, I'm done. Good luck on Stormhammer, Slee.

Voronwë wrote:right, the problem is EVERYBODY ELSE, not you.

YEAH I HATE SLEE TOO... where is my free t-shirt?

Listen to yourselves. Everything he said is dead on the mark. People who never even met the guy have been giving him shit for as long as I can remember, a big reason for that is because he doesn't frequent this vault like some of you people who literally live to demean others on an internet messageboard. He doesn't defend himself, and he encourages members of his guild not to come to his defense and to stay out of it... sometimes I wish I was as slow to anger as he is.

People get into this mindset of "if I talk enough smack about him with nobody to tell me I'm a clueless dipshit, I must be right!". The reality is, you don't know him. Fucked over who? Pissed on who? If I took as much baseless slander from as many fucking morons as he does, I would have left the server years ago.

SleestakkPD wrote:Ok, time to help the flamefest start up at my own cost.

Yes I left for stormhammer. I was tired of logging in every day to hate tells, trains, etc. Veeshan is a server out of control and SOE has no plan in sight to address the serious issues developing there. Instead of outright retiriing I decided to give my very persuasive and good friends on SH a chance to prove that there can be a "FUN and ENTERTAINING" experience in this game without all the lies, cheating, and insults.

Whether you hated me, liked me, or were indifferent I had been around on Veeshan a very long time... we can all agree many of the original beta players are gone or now retiring. I was a villain to some, a hero to others, and yet a gimp to even others. I have to say honestly out of all the posts I have ever seen on these forums I have seen perhaps a shred (1%) truth as to anything that actually transpired.

As for PD I didn't leave them in a bad spot. I stuck around (long past the point of being happy playing on this shitty server) to make sure that they had a good solid team... and they do. As for all the stories of my loot whoring infamy, something that I believe started back in the days with FoH when I was awarded the CT slime gloves and been propogated into beyond enormous proportions from all reality I really can't say much. I have had 6 loot awards in the last 6 months and had the lowest loot per raid percentage in my guild for my class (in fact 50% lower than many of the others). I often got treated very well by PD with very good items but also many instances where I was passed over for nice things too. If I had been the proported lootwhore then it would have been more logical for me to stay on Veeshan than go to SH and start from absolute ZERO. My leaving has nothing to do with loots.

I admire Trias and Spankes and the officer team and firmly believe they have turned PD around from the brink of collapse. As testament to their abilties, look at how CT faired when they had a shakeup... they basically and utterly fell apart. My leaving has nothing to do with a power struggle. I didn't always get along with all the officers, but then again I didn't struggle with them either. I never wanted control of PD back because being a guildleader is a headache beyond belief and once you step back from it for a bit you realize its all ego and no substance. In summary, no power struggle, no smoking gun.

So in my farewell all I can say is that I burnt out on all the Hate and felt it was time I took a chance at actually enjoying playing, something I have only felt a handful of times in the last few years.

To all my friends my love and to all those that hate me so much, good luck.

Sleestakk

Maybe people just don't like you. I never get trained or hate tells.

Reet

Finish him! Brutality!

I pick door #3, just a gimp.

hey fat

SleestakkPD wrote:Ok, time to help the flamefest start up at my own cost.

Yes I left for stormhammer. I was tired of logging in every day to hate tells, trains, etc. Veeshan is a server out of control and SOE has no plan in sight to address the serious issues developing there.

No. On Veeshan you reap what you sow.

You log on every day to hate tells and trains because everyone hates you. Because you're a shit head.

well damn.. i thought everyone hated me and i was a shithead because i logged on and no one sent me ANY tells...

Log in Kyoukan, see if you can be the first person perma flooded off the server.

I was extremely well liked on Veeshan and never had any problems with any players outside of shithole guilds like CT and PD who were constantly in the face of smaller guilds steamrolling them and PnP'ing them a few times a week. Players whom I respected were treated as such and the respect was returned.

In fact outside of those two ghetto idiot clubs I mentioned, I never had a single problem with anyone the entire time I played as kyoukan. I routinely grouped and raided with players and other guilds outside my own, and fun was had by all.