Osama Bin Laden Dead

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 3, 2011, 4:25 pm

[Posted at 2:27 p.m.] Osama bin Laden was not armed when he was shot and killed by U.S. forces in the assault on his compound in Pakistan, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday.

The al Qaeda leader resisted the assault on his compound, Carney said, adding: "I think resistance does not require a firearm."

Carney described how the U.S. Navy SEALs carrying out the operation went floor-to-floor clearing the three-story compound where bin Laden's family lived with another family.

Three people were killed on the first floor, including a woman, and then the U.S. forces moved upstairs where they found bin Laden, Carney said.

"Bin Laden was then shot and killed," Carney said. "He was not armed."

On Monday, President Barack Obama's top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, said bin Laden was resisting and had a weapon, though it was unclear if bin Laden had fired a shot.

Sounds something like, "There were WMDs!"...and then, "No WMDs were found"...although this is more blatant lying. Nice work Obama administration.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 3, 2011, 4:27 pm

grasp at straws much?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 3, 2011, 4:43 pm

For some bizarre reason I read Joe Biden instead of bin Laden

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 3, 2011, 4:51 pm

The Hunt for Bin Laden, in Numbers

A few statistics from what was arguably the most expensive manhunt in history.

The Source w/ Sources

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » May 3, 2011, 5:54 pm

Think of all the lives and money that would've been saved if we would not have invaded Iraq. Finding and killing Osama in the dead of night was so much easier and cheaper!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 3, 2011, 6:32 pm

Again, this has nothing to do with Iraq or Bush or Obama. If you don't think Bush would have loved to have had bin Laden dead while he was in office, then you would have to be brain dead. Getting info from Gitmo only makes Bush and Obama look better for having kept it open for business. What should be disturbing is that Pakistan pretty much had to know he was there....and if they did not truly know then they would have to be completely incompetent.

Ironically, Iraq would be much less of an issue if they had approached taking out Saddam in the same way. It would have saved countless lives by taking him out with a special ops team, but would have caused a bigger ruckus than invading.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 3, 2011, 7:01 pm

There's a big difference in taking out the leader of a country versus the leader of a terrorist organization. I actually don't have a problem with how they got Osama. Terrorism isn't a conventional war so it calls for unconventional means. I wouldn't have a problem with them taking out every leader al qaeda names in the organization.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 3, 2011, 7:47 pm

After shouting "Geronimo!" to their commander over radio—the signal that indicated the death of bin Laden from a shot above his eye—the SEALs grabbed all the electronic material they could find in the compound and ran with it and Osama's body to their custom MH-60 Black Hawk helicopters.

With their weapons still hot, the commando handed the electronic material to a special team of CIA and military intelligence operatives. According to a US official speaking to Politico, hundreds are going through the data in a secret location in Afghanistan:

They cleaned it out. Can you imagine what's on Osama bin Laden's hard drive? It's going to be great even if only 10 per cent of it is actionable.

Decrypting "the mother lode of intelligence"

Indeed, given the amount of material recovered, his enthusiam seems more than justified. We can only speculate about the state of the data, but even if some of the equipment was damaged during the attack, it appears that most of it is intact.

We don't know if "the mother lode of intelligence"—as that official called it—in the hard drives and memory sticks is encrypted or not. Given Osama's level of confidence—the circumstances appear to indicate that he was very comfortable and felt very secure in his lair—the idea of some of the data not being encrypted is not that crazy.

But even if it is, the US intelligence agencies have the necessary computing power and the expertise to crack the information open, even if the terrorists are using the AES-256 standard. You can be sure that, if there are any encrypted files, they are now being processed by supercomputers at CIA's headquarters. The only question is how fast they can access the information. That's the critical part: the fastest they get it, the more actionable that information would be, leading to the fast capture or killing of other leaders and operatives in the al Qaeda network.

wtf? My truecrypt drives are not secure?? nooooooo

miir · Post by **miir** » May 3, 2011, 8:53 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Ironically, Iraq would be much less of an issue if they had approached taking out Saddam in the same way.

There's a FUCKING COLOSSAL difference between assassinating the president of a sovereign nation and taking out a terrorist scumbag.

It would have saved countless lives by taking him out with a special ops team, but would have caused a bigger ruckus than invading

It would have saved even more lives if Bush hadn't invaded and occupied Iraq in the first place.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 3, 2011, 9:02 pm

It would be cool to see a domino effect of evil terrorist leaders gettin it good after they decrypt this info. Between this and the Sony stuff going on, it's an exciting time for IT.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 3, 2011, 9:23 pm

Pretty sure state sanctioned assassination is illegal...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 3, 2011, 9:34 pm

It's ok, the libs will look the other way...it was an Obama accomplishment. They don't want to spoil a rare thing.

For the record, I'm OK with going in there with a green light to kill Bin Laden no matter what. They just shouldn't have lied about it. It's funny watching the Libs dance around the issue.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 3, 2011, 9:37 pm

lib this, lib that, what the fuck are you even trying to say?

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 3, 2011, 9:41 pm

the winnow is malfunctioning

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 3, 2011, 9:42 pm

Winnow wrote:wtf? My truecrypt drives are not secure?? nooooooo

Even with the massively parallel math processors the NSA is reported to have built it's not going to be fast unless he (Osama) was an idiot.

We don't have any liberals or conservatives, both terms are a distractor used by the other side sort of like a red cape.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 3, 2011, 9:55 pm

Now all the sudden there are no libs! Just wait until a republican shoots someone in the face with a shotgun (ok the other guy was holding a gun)....the libs will return!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » May 3, 2011, 10:30 pm

"The libs" need a constant feed of pure insanity to thrive.

If you get Midnyte back, they will return in a vain attempt to educate the retarded.

Kilmoll does his best, but he's both too wordy and expressing opinion instead of presenting delusional fantasy as fact.

Winnow tries, but we all know he's just expressing whatever version of reality will make stock prices increase, so there's no argument to be had there either.

Ahh, the good old days...

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 4, 2011, 7:22 am

Winnow wrote:Now all the sudden there are no libs! Just wait until a republican shoots someone in the face with a shotgun (ok the other guy was holding a gun)....the libs will return!

If we had "liberals" in the Fox News sense of the word we'd have federal\public health care today rather than a new way to send money to insurance companies, markets would have been re-regulated, etc, etc.. There is no spoon.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 4, 2011, 6:58 pm

Aabidano wrote:There is no spoon.

There also is no economy, just a new bubble every decade that will expand until it explodes. This one's being built on commodity speculation by the same money changers that brought us the Great Recession! Good times ahead for Winnows, more bad times for everyone else.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 5, 2011, 3:31 am

Also, I wish it would have went a little more like this.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 5, 2011, 7:04 am

Consumers and businesses are opening their wallets; tech usually rises and crashes first and there's a flurry of spending and hiring going on. Or attempted hiring anyway. Shortage of experienced bodies as lots bailed out and aren't coming back. Or like me realize the grass probably isn't any greener and don't move.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 5, 2011, 4:55 pm

Frenzy of tech IPOs right now, investment banks will pump them up, hoover in the dollars then tsk, tsk as 9 out of 10 go under at their (the investment banks') customers' expense.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 6, 2011, 2:07 pm

We've been duped!

Is bin Laden dead?

Newscasts tell us Osama bin Laden is dead. We have heard the words but we haven't seen any firm proof. Now, wouldn't the facts that have been reported make more sense if we supposed that bin Laden may in fact have been captured - secretly - alive?

Consider where U.S. secret services and the White House needed Osama bin Laden alive. The answer is two-sided:

No, they didn't – because holding bin Laden in custody might have prompted hostage-taking raids and terrorism threats from his supporters demanding his release; because rights groups might have lashed out at the administration over the conditions of his captivity; because as a public figure he would have received far more limelight and a stronger following alive than dead. And yet:

Yes, they did – because bin Laden possessed a plethora of information about al-Qaeda plans for future attacks, about the organization's structure, methods of communication, chain of command. The knowledge he held in his head certainly exceeded by far the data found on computer files, flash drives, DVDs and documents that were taken from the compound where he lived.

How would you meet the strong need to have bin Laden dead – and yet alive at the same time? Well, if they did it, here's what might have happened...

The reason we might believe bin Laden is dead is not because President Obama said so. American presidents, after all, can lie as well as any other person when it suits their purposes, and have been known to do so. (Anything from Watergate to former President Clinton's denials regarding "Monicagate" are all cases in point). We have yet to see postmortem photographs of bin Laden. Even those can hardly be considered hard evidence, given the possibilities of Photoshop, and Obama said he would not authorize their release anyway. The body, we are told, has been buried at sea, ruling out any possibility of exhumation.

The reason we might have believed bin Laden was dead is because his own daughter apparently said so. When a 12- or 13-year-old girl (reports on her exact age are contradictory) says she saw her father dead, one tends to think she is either telling the truth – or at least what she believes to be the truth. The CIA, quite understandably, denies the girl's claims that she saw her father captured alive and then shot dead. But even if she thinks she saw exactly that – does it prove he is dead? Not any more than seeing a wild animal shot with tranquilizers and falling down proves that the animal is dead. It's easy to deceive a young child. Was bin Laden really dead when the special forces team took his body out of the compound – or was he merely tranquilized and appeared dead to a shocked young girl?

The latter option would be so much more convenient for special services. With the world believing that bin Laden is dead, interrogators can probe his brain about terrorism plans without bothersome interruption or interference. The guy is dead. Gone. He doesn't exists. He is no longer somebody whose prisoner's rights can be protected or whose release can be demanded. No rights advocate is going to say anything about waterboarding if there is nobody to waterboard. No terrorists are going to take hostages to demand a prisoner's release if there is no prisoner to be released. Interrogate away! And maybe save some more lives through that, as George W. Bush once vowed to do.

That is, of course, if they did it.

I'd be completely OK with this if they were grilling Bin Laden for info. Buried at sea. No picture. It's actually a good plan if you wanted to peel back the fingernails of Bin Laden without riots and such. A few days of "interrogation" before he's put down is worth it. Best part is we'll never know so the Libs can't get their panties in a bunch.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 6, 2011, 2:16 pm

Is bin Laden dead?

It sounds like birthers have their next issue to beat into the ground.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 6, 2011, 2:49 pm

They will have to change their name to 'deathers'

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 6, 2011, 3:59 pm

Word has it that Bin Laden's being kept up in Canada in a maximum security igloo.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » May 6, 2011, 4:35 pm

The birthers would be all about torturing that fuck.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 6, 2011, 4:54 pm

Winnow wrote:Word has it that Bin Laden's being kept up in Canada in a maximum security igloo.

I hope they confiscated his lighter!

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » May 9, 2011, 2:39 pm

Al Qaeda confirms bin Laden is quite dead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... 7920110506

That was a really retarded thing to post Winnow, and I'm guessing you did it in jest, but I can;t always tell.

Should the US release the picture?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 9, 2011, 5:47 pm

Gzette wrote:Al Qaeda confirms bin Laden is quite dead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... 7920110506

That was a really retarded thing to post Winnow, and I'm guessing you did it in jest, but I can;t always tell.

Should the US release the picture?

Um, what does that prove? It shows that Bin laden was known to be at the compound at most, not that he's dead. How would Al Qaeda know if a captured Bin laden was dead?

I'm not looking to start conspiracy but their statement means nothing. They even talk about the handling of the body even though the US says it's been buried at sea already.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 9, 2011, 5:57 pm

Pakistani security officials have charged that U.S. troops, after landing by helicopter, shot the unarmed al Qaeda leader in cold blood rather than in a firefight, as U.S. officials first suggested.

Amid differing accounts this week of how much hostile fire the SEALs encountered in the compound, one Pakistani security official said on Friday that U.S. forces should release video footage he said they "must have" of the operation.

U.N. human rights investigators called on the United States to disclose the full facts "to allow an assessment in terms of international human rights law standards.

Bin Laden deserved whatever end he got. Whether he put up a fight or not isn't relevant to me. Did the people on the planes that flew into the WTC get to fight for their life? Fuck that guy.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » May 9, 2011, 8:35 pm

Winnow wrote:
Gzette wrote:Al Qaeda confirms bin Laden is quite dead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/ ... 7920110506

That was a really retarded thing to post Winnow, and I'm guessing you did it in jest, but I can;t always tell.

Should the US release the picture?
Um, what does that prove? It shows that Bin laden was known to be at the compound at most, not that he's dead. How would Al Qaeda know if a captured Bin laden was dead?

I'm not looking to start conspiracy but their statement means nothing. They even talk about the handling of the body even though the US says it's been buried at sea already.

Then why the hell did you post that shit stained drivel above. Fuck man... just ... fuck

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 9, 2011, 9:14 pm

Gzette wrote:
Then why the hell did you post that shit stained drivel above. Fuck man... just ... fuck

Because i find it entirely feasible that the U.S. Black Ops/Intelligence would want to grill Obama for knowledge before killing him and the best way to go about that would be to declare him dead so as to not have to worry about interference. Dead is dead...whats another hour or day before he died if we got some important intelligence. I'm not saying it happened. I think it could happen though. I'm not worried about it. I don't believe things any government says including my own without considering the possibilities.

We kept secret during WW2 that we had cracked the German's secret code in order to use the information later. They (and I mean the Allies as Churchill knew as well) even let a city be bombed in England instead of revealing they deciphered the order to bomb it. If we can hide things back in the 40's, we can do the same present day.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 9, 2011, 10:05 pm

Winnow's right.

To be honest, it would be a relief to hear he's being pounded for information. Take that as you will. ;-)

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 10, 2011, 11:08 am

Winnow wrote:Because i find it entirely feasible that the U.S. Black Ops/Intelligence would want to grill Obama for knowledge before killing him

Call the seekrit servix, Winnow has uncovered a comspirisy to cook and possibly eat the President!

Either that or he's finally revealing what a tacitly racist shitbag he is.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 10, 2011, 11:13 am

masteen wrote:
Either that or he's finally revealing what a tacitly racist shitbag he is.

Maybe you're the racist shitbag. Where's the racism in my statements? Did I mention the race of anyone? I might be a little prejudiced toward terrorists but I don't see any mention of race here.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 10, 2011, 11:23 am

Winnow wrote:
masteen wrote:
Either that or he's finally revealing what a tacitly racist shitbag he is.
Maybe you're the racist shitbag. Where's the racism in my statements? Did I mention the race of anyone? I might be a little prejudiced toward terrorists but I don't see any mention of race here.

You were talking about "Black Ops!"

miir · Post by **miir** » May 10, 2011, 11:24 am

Winnow wrote:grill Obama for knowledge before killing him

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 10, 2011, 1:07 pm

Winnow wrote:
masteen wrote:
Either that or he's finally revealing what a tacitly racist shitbag he is.
Maybe you're the racist shitbag. Where's the racism in my statements? Did I mention the race of anyone? I might be a little prejudiced toward terrorists but I don't see any mention of race here.

this

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 10, 2011, 1:27 pm

Winnow wrote:
masteen wrote:
Either that or he's finally revealing what a tacitly racist shitbag he is.
Maybe you're the racist shitbag. Where's the racism in my statements? Did I mention the race of anyone? I might be a little prejudiced toward terrorists but I don't see any mention of race here.

Lighten up and lrn2spell, Sally.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 11, 2011, 9:38 pm

Allow me to shine my tinfoil hat first...

Link

The U.S. Navy Seals who killed Osama bin Laden recovered a number of the former al-Qaida leader’s journals at the Pakistan compound where he was hiding, but they were forced to leave behind detailed logs of bin Laden and al-Qaida activity that the Pakistanis have not yet shared, senior U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday.

It was not clear how much material was left behind when the Seals evacuated the compound in Abbottabad on May 1, but senior U.S. military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it could have been a substantial amount.

Bullshit!

Why doesn't the article reveal why they were forced to leave stuff behind? How do you possess a detailed log for long enough to know that it's important, then leave it behind anyway? Why even mention this at all?!

Post by **Sylvus** » May 12, 2011, 10:43 am

I think you're reading that wrong. I took it as "due to time constraints, we were forced to leave a pile of shit in bin Laden's den. The Pakistanis picked it up after we left, went through it, and confirmed that it was mostly detailed logs of al-Qaida activity, though they haven't yet shared the details with us." I would assume they were forced to leave stuff behind because they were under a time crunch, trying to get the mission completed before Pakistan scrambled their aircraft.

Or you could be right, they could have held a press conference strictly to point out their own ineptitude and/or draw light to a startling conspiracy that they don't want anyone to know about.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 12, 2011, 11:30 am

They were forced to leave it because they had to pile all the people and gear from the chopper that had engine failure.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 12, 2011, 8:06 pm

I really hope they did keep Bin Laden alive for a while. I hope they tortured him mercilessly for at least a week, then hooked a massive battery up to his balls and cranked up the juice. Then, left him dead for just long enough to see that there weren't any virgins waiting for him in the light, and brought him back.

THEN, recorded him freaking out and losing faith because of the lack of said virgins, THEN put that shit on a thumb drive and courier it to his homies.

A man can dream.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 13, 2011, 12:02 pm

I can't think of anything you can do to someone like him that meets the enormity of the crime, not without becoming like him.

Their afterlife might be something like this:

...Indeed, I do not know what they were expecting, but they certainly didn't seem prepared to be skewered from eye socket to bunghole and then placed on a spit so that their flesh could be roasted by the searing gale of flatus which issues forth from the haunches of Asmoday.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hijack ... hell,1445/

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 14, 2011, 1:08 am

Authorities say a large stash of sexually explicit material has been found at the bin Laden compound.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestof ... cnn?hpt=T1

Not surprising to me. Just about all religious people are fake. (that includes whoever is reading this that believe they are religious and think they abide by whatever fantasy instructions are dreamed up for their cult)

Spang · Post by **Spang** » May 16, 2011, 4:31 am