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Winnow wrote:lol! Is that really the logo? They're taking that Big 10 (11) seriously...isn't it twelve now? Why make the "T" loo so damn ugly with two "1"s when there's 12 teams now.
You're describing the old logo for when there were 11 teams. Click the link called "New Logos" on Ash's link (or just click this link) to get to the new, even more awful logo.

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Man, here is just one fan-made alternative to the horrible logo that the Big 10 probably paid a lot of dollars for:
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Look at that, has all the teams organized by division right underneath. Please please please, Big 10, change that shitty logo!
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That is infinitely better than the garbage they came up with.
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But the I looks like a 1 and the G looks like a 0... That's utterly fucking brilliant!!!
I can't believe you guys can't recognize how truly awesome the new logo is!
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Need to call the conference the Big Ten (plus Purdue and Indiana)
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Okay, that fan logo is pretty cool. It is awesomely cool compared to the one that the conference wasted money on.
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Old Pac 10

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Newish logo for Pac 10

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Looks like it would be easy for the Pac logo to update to 12 if they wanted to!
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The Pac-10 stated last summer that they'd be changing the name to the Pac-12 once Colorado and Utah officially join the conference. At least they appear to have hired a proper design firm - you know, one that's actually talented - for their logo. I have to think that Pentagram Design, the firm that came up with the Big Ten's shittastic logo, is taking a pretty heavy PR hit for this schlock. Hopefully as Delany reconsiders the division names, he'll pay a design undergrad at one of the member institutions to come up with something that's guaranteed to be a 10-fold improvement on the current new logos.

Big Ten will be reevaluating things, hopefully soon: Link

EDIT: Fixed the botched link included in my original post.
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I like that PAC-10 logo. Contemporary is usually going to work better for advertising purposes. The Big LOL logo is pretty weaksauce.
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Xatrei wrote:The Pac-10 stated last summer that they'd be changing the name to the Pac-12 once Colorado and Utah officially join the conference. At least they appear to have hired a proper design firm - you know, one that's actually talented - for their logo. I have to think that Pentagram Design, the firm that came up with the Big Ten's shittastic logo, is taking a pretty heavy PR hit for this schlock. Hopefully as Delany reconsiders the division names, he'll pay a design undergrad at one of the member institutions to come up with something that's guaranteed to be a 10-fold improvement on the current new logos.

Big Ten will be reevaluating things, hopefully soon: Link
Better yet, have design teams from each of the schools create a logo to be considered. Competition!
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I actually don't mind the new Big Ten logo. It's not great or anything, but I think all of the logos that are pictured in this thread (the new and fan-made big ten, the old and new pac ten) are of roughly equivalent quality. I don't really like the general aesthetic, but I also am very pro-simplicity and anti-overdesign, and the other three are all more heavily designed. The new Big Ten one is at least just simple block letters, which I like.

Legends and Leaders, on the other hand, are terrible and need to be done away with. If they keep those I don't see how they ever cease to be embarrassing.
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Just noticed that I somehow botched the link in my previous post. This is what I was referring to.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/i ... sion-names

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The reaction to the Big Ten's unveiling of its new football division names -- Legends and Leaders -- has been almost universally negative.

The outcry about the names has been substantial from fans, media members and casual observers. After reading dozens of e-mails from passionate Big Ten fans, I can say that most of you simply don't like these names.

The good news? Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany hears you.

Delany on Thursday acknowledged the negative reaction in an interview with WGN Radio in Chicago. The commissioner also for the first time acknowledged the possibility of re-evaluating the names and changing them in the near future.
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Speaking of the Big 10(12). How the hell does Ohio State stay off probation? Terrelle Pryor's actions this week alone merit a team suspension. Free use of cars, tattoos, selling his goods for cash. Personally I hate the NCAA, but why do SEC and apparently Ohio State schools get a free pass and others get slammed hard?
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Because the NCAA is as corrupt a business as you'll find outside of Russia?
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Tyek wrote:Speaking of the Big 10(12). How the hell does Ohio State stay off probation? Terrelle Pryor's actions this week alone merit a team suspension. Free use of cars, tattoos, selling his goods for cash. Personally I hate the NCAA, but why do SEC and apparently Ohio State schools get a free pass and others get slammed hard?
What actions did he do this week? Are you talking about the old news about him and several other players selling things they received from the school and accepting use of things earlier this season? I agree that the players should not have been allowed to play in the bowl game, and supposedly OSU gave them a 5 game suspension next year instead of the 4 game suspension which would have probably been handed out otherwise.
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Tyek wrote:Speaking of the Big 10(12). How the hell does Ohio State stay off probation? Terrelle Pryor's actions this week alone merit a team suspension. Free use of cars, tattoos, selling his goods for cash. Personally I hate the NCAA, but why do SEC and apparently Ohio State schools get a free pass and others get slammed hard?
What actions did he do this week? Are you talking about the old news about him and several other players selling things they received from the school and accepting use of things earlier this season? I agree that the players should not have been allowed to play in the bowl game, and supposedly OSU gave them a 5 game suspension next year instead of the 4 game suspension which would have probably been handed out otherwise.
I started to write all the items, but the Dan Wetzel article is so much better at explaining what is easily a complete lack of institutional control. If USC got 2 years and scholarships for Reggie Bush, the Bucks should be getting 5 years and lots more scholarships losses if anyone actually investigated more then 5 minutes. It is a great article and exposes the issues at THE Ohio State University. Trust me, I know it goes on everywhere, but these are very obvious. It also exposes the NCAA and the University Presidents/Bowl Sponsors for what they are...FIFA in football pads. I think the kids should get some small stipend to play. I played soccer in college and you cannot even work during the season, so where are you supposed to get money? Parents only have so much to give. Anyway, read the article, it really is good.

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Terrelle “The Truth” Pryor is my favorite college football player and it isn’t just the way the Ohio State quarterback can shred defenses.
Pryor is a godsend to anyone who believes the business of college athletics is little more than a smoke-and-mirror show of situational ethics, selective enforcement and tightly controlled public relations designed to dodge taxes and make millionaires out of administrators.
Perhaps no player has ever exposed the system and its handlers more clearly than Pryor leading into Tuesday’s Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. He may not have consciously planned to do what he’s doing – although I suspect he has a clue – but he’s become a WikiLeaks in shoulder pads; a “30 For 30” special in real time.

Every time Terrelle Pryor says something, the system responds in some embarrassing way that only makes things worse.
When he isn’t violating some NCAA rule, he’s shining a light on the absurdity of how the sport’s power players managed to rewrite said rule so its cash flow could continue unabated. Each Pryor quote seems to prompt the system to respond in some bumbling, embarrassing way that only makes things worse.
Consider The Truth’s last two weeks and the suits constant scramble to clean everything up.

On Dec. 22, Fox 28 in Columbus reported Ohio State was dealing with a compliance issue involving a number of players receiving tattoos from an area parlor in exchange for signed memorabilia.
The move sent Buckeye Nation into a panic as rumors swirled of potential mass suspensions for the bowl game.
Pryor took to his Twitter account and boldly declared: “I paid for my tattoos,” a seemingly innocent man putting speculation to rest. OK, everything was cool.
At least until the next day when Pryor and four teammates would be suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for selling gifts and memorabilia. In Pryor’s case, he netted $1,250 for dealing his 2008 Big Ten ring, his 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants.
So that might be where he got the money for the tattoos. The tweet was deleted, naturally.
We’ll use this moment to remind readers of our longstanding opinion that most of these rules are ridiculous and players such as Pryor, who earn millions for their schools, deserve a better compensation model than just tuition, room and board. This isn’t an argument justifying the NCAA. If it’s going to have rules, though, shouldn’t it enforce them? And, yes, Ohio State’s creative defense would be employed by nearly every other school.
The initial reaction was that a five-game suspension for selling trinkets seemed rather harsh. Sports Illustrated’s Andy Staples noted the irony of selling a “sportsmanship” award from the Fiesta Bowl, which is currently facing a grand jury probe for violating federal and state campaign finance laws.
It isn't easy to focus on the Sugar Bowl with all the off-field stuff about Terrelle Pryor.
The strange part, though, was that Pryor and the others would remain eligible for the Sugar Bowl, effectively pushing their suspensions back. That allowed most of them the choice of avoiding any penalty by simply turning pro.
Ohio State and the NCAA cited an obscure rules interpretation that claimed a suspension could be postponed to preserve a “unique opportunity.” They then decided a bowl game was such an opportunity. Ohio State further claimed Pryor and the others hadn’t been properly educated on the rules, an excuse that caused laughter across college athletics.
After all, we’ve seen entire NCAA basketball tournaments stripped from the record books for such acts. And what about the “unique opportunity” two seasons of Southern California players can’t have because Reggie Bush once took money from agents? Or as Rich Brooks, who spent 25 years as a head coach before retiring from Kentucky last year, tweeted: “You are kidding that players at Ohio State did not know it was illegal to sell their rings and awards!! Can play in bowl game?? Crazy!!”
And while a bumbling compliance staff is always an easy scapegoat, the Ohio State student newspaper, The Lantern, quoted former Buckeye Thaddeus Gibson (2007-09), who claimed players were repeatedly told not to sell items.
“Oh yeah, they [OSU athletic director Gene Smith and the coaches] talked about it a lot,” Gibson told the paper.
Oops.
AD Smith promptly declared that the issue with memorabilia sales and free tattoos was “isolated.” That led to former Buckeye Antonio Pittman to tweet to the contrary: “cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01.”
Then SportsByBrooks.com reported the tattoo parlor’s owner had pictures of all sorts of Ohio State player memorabilia, including some from Pryor, on his Facebook page. The website also reported Gibson, among nine Buckeyes, got tattoos to the same tattoo parlor.
Every OSU fan message board became filled with tales of signed stuff hanging on the walls of area restaurants, bars and car dealerships.

Conspiracy theories on why the players were eligible for the Sugar Bowl emerged immediately. They ranged from the Big Ten fearing another possible ugly loss to the SEC to the need for the Sugar Bowl to produce a reasonable television rating in the face of sagging numbers for bowls overall. Plus Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and OSU president E. Gordon Gee are the chief defenders of the BCS.
Then there’s the general cronyism that exists between bowl games and the college administrators who keep them financially alive. On Dec. 30, PlayoffPAC revealed that the Orange Bowl provided a free, five-day Caribbean cruise in 2010 to 40 athletic directors, conference officials and their wives, in violation, the group alleges, of IRS rules.
On Dec, 29, the NCAA responded to the backlash by issuing a rare statement declaring: “the notion that the NCAA is selective with its eligibility decisions and rules enforcement is another myth with no basis in fact … Money is not a motivator or factor.”
Within hours Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan had blown that out of the water when he confirmed everyone’s suspicions and said that not only did he lobby hard for Pryor and the others to get a reprieve but also that the powers that be listened to him.
“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year’s game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan told the Columbus Dispatch. “That appeal did not fall on deaf ears.”
Oops.
Hoolahan went on to deem Ohio State fan concerns about their school putting the integrity of a bowl game in front of the integrity of Woody Hayes’ program as “Midwestern values.”
By this point, the usual rally around the player and/or program had fallen apart. While some Buckeye fans still defended Pryor and Ohio State, there was a huge negative backlash on message boards, talk radio shows and in letters to the state newspapers. Not even fans were buying the circular excuses.
Then Pryor showed up at the Sugar Bowl and proceeded to cast doubt on the promise supposedly made by the suspended players that they’d return for next season (a supposed condition on their bowl eligibility). Later he appeared to hack at Ohio State’s claim the players didn’t know the rules in the first place.
“I already knew what I shouldn’t have done back two years ago,” he said.
Terrelle Pryor, left, and Dan Herron are among the suspended players.
(Andrew Weber / US Presswire)He even responded to criticism by former Buckeye quarterback and current ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit by mocking, “Has he beat Michigan?” (OSU went 0-4-1 against UM during Herbstreit’s career). The positive for enraged Buckeye fans: Pryor may sell the gold pants given to him for beating Michigan, but he obviously does consider it a measuring stick.

Just as things were quieting down, the Dispatch reported on Jan. 2 that Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer, Auto Direct. Pryor told the paper he only borrowed the cars when his own car (currently a Dodge Charger) was in the shop with repairs.
Ohio State said it was aware of two of the incidents and would look into the third. If we’re led to believe the borrowing of cars were again isolated incidents, then Pryor has some bad luck with local cops. He seemingly gets pulled over every time he receives a nice loaner. Either that or he drives them all the time, of course.
The car dealer did tell the newspaper that he also allowed Pryor, in 2008, to drive a Dodge SUV back to Pryor’s home in Pennsylvania. “I wanted advice from some of my family and friends I trusted to see if it would be a good vehicle for me to maybe buy,” Pryor said.
Unsupervised, out-of-state test drivers of used cars are common practice, correct?
Oops.
Pryor didn’t buy the car, of course. Ohio State, quite naturally, declared everything on the up and up. How? Well, they just did. This wasn’t a violation of NCAA rules.
It is apparently just a coincidence that the dealership, according to the Dispatch, has more than two dozen autographed Buckeye jerseys on display, including ones from Pryor and a couple of the other “suspended” players. Or that there are player autographs all over the walls of the showroom.
It’s also just a coincidence that the used car loaner system Pryor enjoyed is eerily similar to the one former Buckeye Maurice Clarett detailed to ESPN the Magazine back in 2004. “When you’re hot in Columbus, you just go,” Clarett told the Magazine. “Somebody’s going to recognize your face. You say, ‘I need to use a car.’ ‘OK, here you go.’”
Yep, here you go.

While Pryor has received most of the criticism, you can only blame him so much for either breaking or putting himself in danger of breaking NCAA rules that the very administrators he earns huge salaries appear to care little about. A rule is only as strong as the consequences and from his school, to his conference, to his bowl game, to the NCAA itself, there’s no lack of positioning to avoid real penalties.
If the adults don’t take the rules seriously, why should the players?
At this point, Pryor is set to play Tuesday but miss nearly half of next season. (Ohio State is appealing, of course). Meanwhile the entire absurdity of his situation churns on. The school wants its star player on the field. The bowl wants its money. ESPN wants its TV rating. The league wants a victory over the SEC.
Perhaps only Gordon Gee, Jim Delany a few assorted BCS reps believe Terrelle Pryor is an actual eligible student-athlete at this point. At least if you applied the NCAA rules as they previously had been enforced for decades.
Everyone else is expected to play pretend, ignore the man behind the curtain and eagerly await the next chapter of the Terrelle “The Truth” Pryor Show. First he gets to run and throw, then, hopefully, he gets to keep talking.
We’ll gladly loan him our car all next season if he’ll stick around and continue exposing this charade. Let the unwitting whistle-blower play on and on and on.
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My question about paying players is...

What about all the players in the other sports? These folks can work just as hard as the football players, and their opportunities to work for pay are similarly limited. Will they get paid as well?

The revenues from football and basketball typically subsidize the budgets of the other sports at a school. What happens to those budgets when you start diverting the revenues back to the players?

I guess you could say "well, if your swimming team doesn't make enough money to afford those fancy swim caps, maybe it should make to do without them," but I think that's an unacceptable answer. We're not talking about free-market capitalism; we're talking about university athletic departments. Nobody abolishes the foreign language departments just because the business and law schools bring in more money, and nor should they.

Maybe schools could afford to give a modest stipend to all scholarship athletes. I'm not sure of that -- if y'all haven't noticed, University budgets are pretty tight and tuitions are skyrocketing; I'm not sure there's a ton of money to go around -- but maybe. But even a modest stipend of a few grand to cover food and some rent (which is all that many working students are able to earn) won't allow football players to live in the style to which they're accustomed. It's not going to buy anyone a Dodge Charger, or pay for large and extensive tattoos, or purchase unlimited drinks at the bar, which means it's also not going to eradicate any of the Reggie Bush / Terrell Pryor / Cam Newton sorts of problems that we've seen.
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Tyek wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Tyek wrote:Speaking of the Big 10(12). How the hell does Ohio State stay off probation? Terrelle Pryor's actions this week alone merit a team suspension. Free use of cars, tattoos, selling his goods for cash. Personally I hate the NCAA, but why do SEC and apparently Ohio State schools get a free pass and others get slammed hard?
What actions did he do this week? Are you talking about the old news about him and several other players selling things they received from the school and accepting use of things earlier this season? I agree that the players should not have been allowed to play in the bowl game, and supposedly OSU gave them a 5 game suspension next year instead of the 4 game suspension which would have probably been handed out otherwise.
I started to write all the items, but the Dan Wetzel article is so much better at explaining what is easily a complete lack of institutional control. If USC got 2 years and scholarships for Reggie Bush, the Bucks should be getting 5 years and lots more scholarships losses if anyone actually investigated more then 5 minutes. It is a great article and exposes the issues at THE Ohio State University. Trust me, I know it goes on everywhere, but these are very obvious. It also exposes the NCAA and the University Presidents/Bowl Sponsors for what they are...FIFA in football pads. I think the kids should get some small stipend to play. I played soccer in college and you cannot even work during the season, so where are you supposed to get money? Parents only have so much to give. Anyway, read the article, it really is good.
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None of that answers the question. What did he do in the last week? None of this. All of this was spread over the last three years. None of it was within the last couple weeks (that has been made public at least).

I agree that the program should suffer, just as the NCAA placed responsibility on USC for Reggie Bush's actions.
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Wasn't the free tattoo thing just brought up a week or two ago?
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The incidents were brought out in national news over the last few weeks, which is why I asked originally if he had some new shocking information about Pryor's activities that were not already in the news. Maybe he's referring to actions brought to light this week vs actions he took this week. That's all I was asking in my first response :P

It was a bit too late to have the entire team punished for the Sugar Bowl, but they should have at least made the players miss the game. Promising to come back next year in order to play is a joke.
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So not happy the 'Backs lost that one. :(
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Sorry Boog, been out of town. Wife lost her second grandparent in 4 months :(

It was not necessarily something he did last week specifically, it has been 3 years of consistent lying, cheating and looking the other way. I honestly think it happens everywhere, but some programs seem to be allowed to get away with it. It seems like these programs continue until they get too bold, embarrass the NCAA then get smacked. There are clear violations, and if this is what they found with just a little looking, imagine what other things Pryor and his buddies have been doing.
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What a fucking turd that title game was. Truly what the BCS deserves. All of Auburn should get down on their knees and thank the guy who watered that field with olive oil.

Kinda moot anyway, as this title is sure to be vacated because of Cam's love of cash money. This is why Auburn can't have nice things.
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I found it pretty entertaining.

Though I did comment to my wife that it was a poor advertisement for Nike cleats, with how badly the Ducks were slipping all over the place. Guess maybe they should find a uni that works and stick with it, rather than getting a new one every week?
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They were OUTFITS, not uniforms! (worst sports jab evah)
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Sylvus wrote:I found it pretty entertaining.
Yeah, but you're used to bumblefuck slow football. I demand action and scoring!
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
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