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2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 25, 2009, 7:04 pm
by Winnow
While you enjoy the last hour or so of Shaquille O'Neal officially being a Sun, wrap your mind around the idea of another blockbuster move that is being considered.
As the New York Post had in a report today, the Suns are talking to Houston about a trade that would involve Tracy McGrady coming to the Suns for Amare Stoudemire. Other players would be involved. The Post story said Leandro Barbosa would go to Houston with the Suns getting Carl Landry and Aaron Brooks, a point guard they fancied in the 2007 draft but sold their pick instead of taking him. Those parts would appear to have Phoenix taking on an extra $4.3 million in salary, which seems doubtful with luxury tax considerations.
McGrady is due $23.2 million in the last year of his contract this season while Stoudemire will make $16.4 million and is eligible for a contract extension later this summer. Phoenix is not willing to give him the maximum extension he desires. Stoudemire can opt out of his contract next summer and give up his player option of $17.7 million for the 2010-11 season.
Please be true! I'd much rather have McGrady than Amare for one more year.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 25, 2009, 8:14 pm
by Sueven
Ugh, what a depressing deal for a Suns fan.
You're giving up two years of play from an all-star caliber player for one year of play from a washed-up veteran because it'll give you a little bit of cap relief two years from now.
Meanwhile, you're going to give up your only other good young player (Barbosa) in order to get another guy who you could have had without giving up anything (Brooks) if your owner wasn't a worthless cheapskate who blatantly gives away picks (thereby sacrificing players like Brooks, Rondo, Fernandez, Deng, etc).
But at least you're getting a solid, hard-working backup forward as part of the deal!
Seriously, what's the Suns future if they make this deal? You'll have old Grant Hill, old Steve Nash, and your young talent is supposed to be Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry, and Robin Lopez? As if that's a nucleus that's going to get you anywhere?
Shaq and Amare are two pretty fucking big assets, and you're going to turn them into a combo platter of some cap relief, some shitty players, and solid backups at the 1 and the 4 positions? And you're HAPPY about this? You could have turned Amare into Kevin Garnett two years ago, and you're happy about getting fucking Carl Landry for him? Even now, why didn't you try to give him to the Wizards for the 5 pick, a rotation player, and some contracts? Or to Memphis for a similar package?
The only way I can see this being a remotely good deal is if McGrady and Nash coming off the books next year gives you the cap space to go and get LeBron or something. If you can pull that off, I take back what I said here. But I can't imagine LeBron going to a team with no talent and a cheapskate owner (even if it is warm-weather) over staying with Cleveland or going to the Knicks or the Nets or something. Didn't work when you tried to get Kobe.
Ugh. The Suns went from the most fun team in the league 3 or 4 years ago to the most depressing now (as long as you don't count the Clippers).
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 25, 2009, 8:30 pm
by Winnow
Better deal:
Amare to the Clippers:
Amare
for
Beidriens
Wright
Bellinelli
and #7
hmm #7 and #14 pick
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 25, 2009, 8:36 pm
by Sueven
That would be vastly better. You'd get Biedrins, a useful rotation player / legit starting center, Wright, a dude with some potential, Bellineli, who maybe could turn into something eventually, and a decent pick. That'd be pretty worthwhile.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 25, 2009, 8:58 pm
by Winnow
Arizona State's Harden goes #3!
Gooooo Devilllls!
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 27, 2009, 8:13 pm
by Winnow
The Pac-10 had nine players - six in the first round - taken in the 2009 NBA draft. That gives the conference 21 players chosen in the last two drafts, eight more than any other conference, despite having the fewest teams. The Pac-10 has had 13 first-round picks in the past two years, and has had 17 in the last three years.
Wow, what a surprise. Pac 10 #1 again.
Funny how all the east coast fans yell and scream about how great their conferences are, even after they cram more than 10 teams in their conferences, they still can't top the Pac 10 (actually ten schools unlike Big 10 (11))
With two more selections in the 2009 NBA draft, the Arizona Wildcats now have had 31 picks taken since 1989, the year the NBA went to two-round draft.
That's the most draft picks over that period than any other college basketball program: Arizona (31); Duke (29), UCLA (28), North Carolina (25), UConn (23) and Kansas (22) are the top five.
Arrrrriiiizzzoooooonaaaaa
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 28, 2009, 1:15 am
by Trek
Gooo Dodgers!
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 29, 2009, 8:37 pm
by Winnow
You know you want him! Detached retina, knee surgeries and all!
Golden State is flaking out on the deal, now's your chance!
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 29, 2009, 10:32 pm
by Trek
Ya your right the Dodgers have been playing pretty good, but have had a rough week. Hopefully they can come back against the Rockies who have been outstanding
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 29, 2009, 10:44 pm
by Winnow
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 30, 2009, 5:59 am
by Trek
Yes I know your upset that LA won the NBA title and also hold the best rebord in baseball right now...that is very lame. Not nearly as cool as abandoning your teams when they arent winning.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 30, 2009, 11:55 am
by Winnow
Trek wrote:Yes I know your upset that LA won the NBA title and also hold the best rebord in baseball right now...that is very lame. Not nearly as cool as abandoning your teams when they arent winning.
Fantasize about anything you want but I'm always a fan of AZ sports. Being critical of them is my right. As with politics, I don't follow blindly like some people on this board. You can like the team but understand change is needed. Well maybe you can't.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 30, 2009, 12:36 pm
by Trek
Has nothing to do about being critical of your team. You rarely if ever talked about baseball until the Snakes were doing well then it was all about how Webb was god, same with hockey....when they suck you didnt ever hear about the sport from you. That is not being critical of your team, that is being a bandwagoner. I mentioned it last year and Boog said that you always rah-rah -rah the Az teams all the time and I still dont see that unless they are winning otherwise you want nothing to do with the sport. You wouldnt shut-up about what a god Webb was and how awesome Snake baseball was in general and now this far into the season, not a peep out of you about baseball. If your a fan you talk about your sport even be critical of them but you still want to talk about it....which I have yet to see when your teams do poorly, then the sport doesnt even exist to you and im as sure you dont go watch and cheer them (if you ever did).
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: June 30, 2009, 10:43 pm
by Trek
Just back from the Reno Aces game, some names you should know and pay attention to Winnow are : Whitesell, Oeltjen and Ryal
oh ya the Aces are the Dback farm club
For all your Webb nut-sucking from last year you havent once mention Haren who has been better.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: July 21, 2009, 3:38 pm
by Gzette
Good off season for my MAVS. Shawn Marion (good deal too) acquired and a judge dropped the insider trading law suit against Mark Cuban. WTG MAVS! With either Marion or Dirk perma open this season, the Mavs could become scary good again.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: July 21, 2009, 11:39 pm
by Winnow
Wow, Marion's a great pickup as long as he has something left in the tank. That guy goes all out every night. He'll play hard against the Suns as well.
I'm not very confident the Suns management will pull something out of their ass. Steve Kerr might be the worst GM in the NBA and the only possible reason he's still around after the flood of bad decisions he's made is that he's butt buddies with Sarver, the owner.
The Suns will be the laughing stock of the NBA if things don't change soon. I'd like to see Kerr gone (and Sarver sell the team but that won't happen). We aren't going anywhere with a moron as the GM.
Re: 2009 NBA Draft Talk
Posted: July 29, 2009, 2:55 pm
by Gzette
i liked Kerr's commentary, so I'd like to see him doing that again. a win-win situation!