Illinois sucks

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Why is that this shit always originates in Ill, Cali, or NY?

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillSta ... egID=41158

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Provides that a person shall be deemed the owner of a firearm after the firearm is lost or stolen until such loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides. Provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke and seize a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued under this Act if the Department finds that the person to whom such card was issued possesses or acquires a firearm and does not submit evidence to the Department of State Police that he or she has been issued in his or her name a liability insurance policy in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Effective January 1, 2010.

Elitist bullshit meant to keep people that are not wealthy from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

[Xatrei]

/yawn

[Zaelath]

Yeah, so are driver's licences and car insurance.

[Ashur]

Will never pass.

[Lalanae]

Considering that there is so much negligent gun use in this country I think this is a good idea. You can hurt/kill someone with your car. That's a big reason why we have liability car insurance requirements.

I also don't think that you have to be wealthy to carry this insurance, especially if you can afford a gun in the first place.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Oh really?

Here are stats from 2002.

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

Accidental firearm deaths for the country for the year were 776. It would appear ladders would need mandatory licensing and insurance before firearms seeing as there were 13,322 deaths related to falls.

Thsi is more sensationalist bullshit to make it look like they are doing something. We do not have a gun problem in this country...we have a crime problem. It is anti-gun people that want to eliminate guns and are too gutless to take the steps to eliminate the criminals.

[VariaVespasa]

To be a fair comparison we'd need to know how many of those ladder deaths were due to structural failure of the ladder or of people not on the ladder as nearly all the rest would be death by stupidity or incompentance (ie- only counting the deaths that were beyond the victims control). And we'd need to know how many of those gun deaths were of people not the owner of the gun (ie not shooting himself by accident etc, which would be the equivalent of falling off your own ladder).

[Ashur]

Dammit, where's an Actuary when you need one?

[Forthe]

Why is that this shit always originates in Ill, Cali, or NY?

What is gang violence?

I'll take "Famous Titties" for $400 Alex.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

orly?

I am no social expert, but I am pretty certain gang members won't be purchasing insurance any more than they are purchasing their firearm licenses.


I'm sorry, but you won't be making Final Jeopardy.

[VariaVespasa]

Of course he will, if he goes walking in the wrong neighborhoods late at night...

[Forthe]

Suck on it Trebek!

I didn't read the bill correctly, I agree that it is elitist bullshit. It may make sense for carrying in public but in your own home?

Suck it long and suck it hard.

[Zaelath]

Oh really?

Here are stats from 2002.

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

Accidental firearm deaths for the country for the year were 776. It would appear ladders would need mandatory licensing and insurance before firearms seeing as there were 13,322 deaths related to falls.

Thsi is more sensationalist bullshit to make it look like they are doing something. We do not have a gun problem in this country...we have a crime problem. It is anti-gun people that want to eliminate guns and are too gutless to take the steps to eliminate the criminals.

That's some nice statistcs, I particularly liked the part where firearms are the leading cause of death after motor vehicle accidents for the 15-24 age group. I've met a lot of 15-24 year old Americans, so I can see why you think that's not a problem.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

You do realize that an extremely high percentage of the deaths in that age range are committed by exactly the people I mentioned above? Black males, 16-24, mostly drug related with black male victims....just that demographic is responsible for over 30% of all homicides in the US. It is an absolute guarantee they are not worried about going through legal channels to own their guns, so the only people this is hurting are the law abiding citizens with lower incomes that want to protect themselves from these stains on society.

[Zaelath]

You do realize that an extremely high percentage of the deaths in that age range are committed by exactly the people I mentioned above? Black males, 16-24, mostly drug related with black male victims....just that demographic is responsible for over 30% of all homicides in the US. It is an absolute guarantee they are not worried about going through legal channels to own their guns, so the only people this is hurting are the law abiding citizens with lower incomes that want to protect themselves from these stains on society.

Our whites don't have guns, so our blacks don't have guns to steal.

Maybe you could look into that.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

[Zaelath]

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

a) Guns were never prevalent in our society, if you were allowed to have one (and many people still are) you weren't allowed to holster it unless you had a permit, and there's never been anything like CCWs handed out to "the general public", so this kind of "omg they took away teh guns and now the criminals are running rampant" stuff is bullshit. I believe this "statistic" has been debunked several times before, so google a little more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politi ... _over_time might be a good start as it's rather dispassionate about the issue rather than having an agenda to grind.

b) None of that has anything to do with your "it's the blacks that cause all the gun crime" garbage.

[Spang]

Kilmoll doesn't like black people.

[Boogahz]

I thought the whole point of this thread was supposed to be how Illinois sucks...

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I am pretty certain that Spang and Zaeleth don't get it on this bill. It is not people like me they are going after. Just like the original intent of gun control laws, this bill...now get ready to try and understand this, even though I know I will have to repeat it to you 100 times.....this bill is AIMED at blacks. It is going to affect lower income people more than anyone else...and especially inner city people....in which blacks would be a majority.

Me and my racism....

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

and btw.....stating facts does not make me a racist. There are only 2 groups of people I hate....stupid people and ultra liberals. If you happen to be black and also one of those, then oh well. I have found there to be a pretty equal mix from all the races that fit into it though.

[Zaelath]

and btw.....stating facts does not make me a racist. There are only 2 groups of people I hate....stupid people and ultra liberals. If you happen to be black and also one of those, then oh well. I have found there to be a pretty equal mix from all the races that fit into it though.

Mmm stupid people I don't mind, it's people that do stupid shit while understanding that it's stupid that bothers me.

And ultras from both sides..

However, this draconian law is no more encumbering than car registration/insurance.

Are you going to campaign next week for the right of migrants to drive unlicenced and uninsured?

(and I know of at least one far right motorcyclist that has attempted to enshrine his "right to unimpeded travel on the roads" as being constitutional to defend his never-licenced status, not that I can find it in there... perhaps it's a state constitution?)

[Bubba Grizz]

Illinois does suck. It's painful being so close to those damn FIBs.