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For our resident potheads
Posted: January 23, 2009, 11:17 am
by Chidoro
Maybe things will begin to turn around. A link to a show showing this Sunday. For a change, it seems as if their opinion is more in line with regulating and taxing than a failed prohibition stance.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28281668/
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 23, 2009, 1:17 pm
by Kilmoll the Sexy
This is where I differ greatly from conservatives. I would not mind seeing pot legalized and sold/taxed. I would however like to see money generated from it going towards eliminating the serious drugs like coke, crack, meth, whatever fucked Nick up, etc.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 23, 2009, 2:20 pm
by Zaelath
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:This is where I differ greatly from conservatives. I would not mind seeing pot legalized and sold/taxed. I would however like to see money generated from it going towards eliminating the serious drugs like coke, crack, meth, whatever fucked Nick up, etc.
Serious?
(2000): "The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death were microbial agents (75,000), toxic agents (55,000), motor vehicle crashes (43,000), incidents involving firearms (29,000), sexual behaviors (20,000), and illicit use of drugs (17,000)."
(Note: According to a correction published by the Journal on Jan. 19, 2005, "On page 1240, in Table 2, '400,000 (16.6)' deaths for 'poor diet and physical inactivity' in 2000 should be '365,000 (15.2).' A dagger symbol should be added to 'alcohol consumption' in the body of the table and a dagger footnote should be added with 'in 1990 data, deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in alcohol consumption deaths, but not in motor vehicle deaths. In 2000 data, 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in both alcohol consumption and motor vehicle death categories." Source:
Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298.)
Source:
Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, pp. 1238, 1241.
I'm not sure what we should ban first, guns, sex, or being a fatass. What the *fuck* is actually serious about drugs?
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 23, 2009, 3:12 pm
by cadalano
there are other consequences of abusing those drugs besides death
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 23, 2009, 9:34 pm
by Drolgin Steingrinder
cadalano wrote:there are other consequences of abusing those drugs besides death
Lack of punctuation?
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 12:35 pm
by Zaelath
cadalano wrote:there are other consequences of abusing those drugs besides death
None that are particularly more ruinous to society than the "acceptible" risks we take.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 3:15 pm
by Sueven
there are other consequences of abusing those drugs besides death
being high all the time?
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 3:26 pm
by Kilmoll the Sexy
I guess ignoring the massive crime rate increase due to chemical addiction means nothing.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 5:41 pm
by cadalano
yeah, i know its fun to abuse kilmoll and all- so hop on board. i'm commenting on that post by Zaelath and not referring to mj at all.. its true that people overdosing from those drugs is not serious. i don't care about them at all and no one else does... its primarily the crime generated by those drugs, among other factors, that makes them significant. point being that people dying is not the sole indicator of something being unhealthy to society.
also, punctuation is a crutch for the weak
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 6:04 pm
by Sueven
cad wrote:its true that people overdosing from those drugs is not serious. i don't care about them at all and no one else does
Fuck you and fuck anyone who thinks like this. I have friends-- good-hearted, intelligent, young people-- who fell prey to drug addiction. They were good people and I care about them deeply. My experience is not unique. I hope that you're lucky enough to avoid watching your friends, family, or children succumb, as educational as the experience might be for you.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 6:22 pm
by Kilmoll the Sexy
isn't that a pretty damn good reason to eliminate the hardcore drugs?
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 6:23 pm
by Aslanna
cadalano wrote:also, punctuation is a crutch for the weak
If by a crutch you mean a means to accurately convey to your audience what you are trying to say then yeah. You may be right.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 6:29 pm
by Truant
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:isn't that a pretty damn good reason to eliminate the hardcore drugs?
except for the fact that it's impossible to eliminate them...
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 6:30 pm
by Spang
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:isn't that a pretty damn good reason to eliminate the hardcore drugs?
How do you propose we do that?
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 8:19 pm
by Sueven
isn't that a pretty damn good reason to eliminate the hardcore drugs?
banning them has certainly done an illustrious job eliminating them thus far
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 9:38 pm
by Zaelath
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I guess ignoring the massive crime rate increase due to chemical addiction means nothing.
Oh my, not that the crime is caused by making chemical addiction illegal or anything. Organised crime, the sale and possession of the chemicals themselves, prostitution and robbery to support the inflated cost of illegal drugs, etc.
Whatever copper, you got no shot, see. We'll just open a new speak easy and be back in business tomorrow, see.
teehee.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 24, 2009, 10:43 pm
by Kilmoll the Sexy
Sueven wrote:isn't that a pretty damn good reason to eliminate the hardcore drugs?
banning them has certainly done an illustrious job eliminating them thus far
oh you are certainly the fly to my web of gun arguments my dear lad
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 25, 2009, 12:31 am
by Zaelath
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Sueven wrote:isn't that a pretty damn good reason to eliminate the hardcore drugs?
banning them has certainly done an illustrious job eliminating them thus far
oh you are certainly the fly to my web of gun arguments my dear lad
Making drugs with a basic set of chemistry gear and easily available recipies is a different thing to making an uzi in your toolshop...
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 25, 2009, 2:17 am
by Sueven
Kilmoll wrote:oh you are certainly the fly to my web of gun arguments my dear lad
I'm also fairly certain that I've never argued about guns with you (other than to argue that Obama won't take yours). I'm not a particularly pro-gun control guy. Try that one on someone else.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 25, 2009, 3:20 am
by Xatrei
Most people don't advocate a complete ban, just more intelligent regulations. Unfortunately, Killmol is too much of a raving gun-nut retard to differentiate between control and confiscation.
Back on topic, I think the late Peter Tosh** said it best...
** Tangentially, he was a victim of gun violence!
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 26, 2009, 3:53 pm
by Xatrei
CNBC's show was mildly interesting (nothing really new there), and adopted a more neutral stance than I'd have liked. National Geographic Explorer did a show on the same subject called Marijuana Nation a while back that I thought was a little better take on the issues for the general public. I think it's supposed to be shown on the National Geographic Channel again sometime in the next few weeks if you want to try to catch it.
Re: For our resident potheads
Posted: January 29, 2009, 7:49 pm
by Gzette
legalize it. regulate it. tax the shit out of it. profit.
release millions of non-violent prison inmates. save shit loads of money. improve quality of life.
build schools. hire police (who won't be encumbered by petty possession crime!). build roads.