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SlotMusic

Posted: September 22, 2008, 5:02 pm
by Winnow
What do you think?

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/20133/slotmusic/
SlotMusic cards

SanDisk slot Music card : Leaders in music, retail and flash memory technology announced they’re bringing consumers an innovative, new physical music format, dubbed “slotMusic.” microSD cards will soon be made available with pre-loaded, high quality, DRM-free MP3 music of top artists from EMI Music, SONY BMG, Universal Music Group, and Warner Music Group. A selection of slotMusic cards will first be available at brick-and-mortar and online stores throughout the U.S., including Best Buy and Wal-Mart, with Europe to follow. A list of slotMusic albums, availability and pricing will be announced in time for the coming holiday season. SanDisk, inventor of the microSD format, is leading the technology development behind slotMusic.

microSD enabled mobile phone

SanDisk slotMusic cards enable consumers to instantly and easily enjoy music from their favorite artists without being dependent on a PC or internet connection. Users simply insert the slot Music card into their microSD enabled mobile phone or MP3 player to hear the music - without passwords, downloading or digital-rights-management interfering with their personal use. Musicians will find slotMusic memory cards offer a compelling new way to express them selves to their fans. With 1GB (gigabyte) of capacity, slotMusic cards can hold songs, as well as liner notes, album art, videos, and other creative content that an artist may choose. Consumers can also add their own content to a slotMusic card, creating a personal plug-and-play media library.

slotMusic cards high quality alternative to CDs and digital delivery

"slotMusic offers consumers an immediate, tangible, and high quality alternative to CDs and digital delivery," said Danielle Levitas, vice president, Consumer, Broadband & New Media, IDC. "This year, more than 1.2 billion mobile phones will ship globally, outstripping portable media players by nearly an order of magnitude - and this trend is accelerating."

SanDisk slotMusic cards


SanDisk slot Music cards will be packaged with a tiny USB sleeve ensuring seamless interoperability with all computers - Windows, Linux and Mac. The upshot is that slotMusic will enjoy an unparalleled, pre-existing installed base at launch: hundreds of millions of multimedia-phones, virtually any computer with a USB connector and a growing number of in-car sound systems will be able to play slotMusic cards. The MP3-based music tracks will be played back at up to 320 kilobytes per second (kbps), offering a high quality music experience for the MP3 format.
Looks promising. Maybe too late but promising.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 22, 2008, 5:08 pm
by Spang
I have no need for that.

That's what I think.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 22, 2008, 8:09 pm
by Animalor
Looking at the piles of CD's that I bought and no longer listen to, I'd say that buying music is a complete waste of money.

Subscription model ftw.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 1:22 pm
by Canelek
Fine, if you listen to major-label music. If it became viable and worthwhile for indy labels, sure...

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 1:35 pm
by Funkmasterr
It's a lot easier to just steal it.

Or if you really have to (for miir), iTunes or something similar.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 1:37 pm
by Aardor
How is this useful at all? Seems like they could do the same thing with a CD, and the CD would be much cheaper. Not to mention the life/production cost on SD cards. Seems to me like it's a complete waste of money/time that could instead be used to get the music industry (well, these companies specifically) on a Business plan that isn't all about screwing the customer.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 2:42 pm
by miir
What is the point?

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 3:53 pm
by Winnow
The point is the music industry is at least attempting to provide a physical medium that is DMC free.

CDs are dying and you can't shove a CD into a cell phone mini SD slot. There are plenty of rubes out there that don't know how to download music...of course they might not know how to stick music in a slot either...but they still prefer physical media. I run into lots of people that still have phobias about purchasing anything online.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 4:05 pm
by cadalano
its not just CDs that are dying. physical media is all but dead in the music world.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 4:06 pm
by Fash
LPs, Cassettes, 8-tracks, CD's, and Mini-Discs were all DRM free. The only thing this 'new' technology provides is a higher than CD quality bit-rate for audiophiles. The lack of DRM is not a feature, but a choice, as they could just as well encumber the files (and they still could decide to do so in the future!!)... which they can't do on a standard audio CD.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 4:15 pm
by Winnow
see two posts above about people still wanting to buy physical formats. This format at least updates the size to be more portable and work with cell phones.

Nothing too sinister here. Pretty simple. Whether anyone on this board would buy it doesn't matter. If it's cheap to produce, it will be at least one way to sell music for the industry.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 4:25 pm
by Canelek
Good point on the non-D/L-capable folks. They usually listen to popular music anyway. :)

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 4:38 pm
by Funkmasterr
Canelek wrote:Good point on the non-D/L-capable folks. They usually listen to popular music anyway. :)
Really? Most everyone I can think of that is computer handicapped to the point of not being able to use Itunes or Kazaa is over the age of 60, and definitely won't buy a SD card with a Brittney Spears album on it.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 4:51 pm
by Spang
Just because all of the computer illiterates you know are over the age of 60, doesn't mean all of the computer illiterates are over the age of 60. There are computer illiterates at all ages.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 5:08 pm
by Aardor
Winnow wrote:The point is the music industry is at least attempting to provide a physical medium that is DMC free.

CDs are dying and you can't shove a CD into a cell phone mini SD slot. There are plenty of rubes out there that don't know how to download music...of course they might not know how to stick music in a slot either...but they still prefer physical media. I run into lots of people that still have phobias about purchasing anything online.
Uh CDs can be DMC free also.

Not all cell phones have miniSD slots. You counter your own point about people not knowing how to download music....do you really think they would be able to stick the SD card in their phone and get the mp3 to play as their ringtone?

Not to mention, that for this to be more useful than CDs you need the following: A mobile phone with a micro SD card slot. A mobile phone that supports the playing of mp3s (this is very uncommon, last I checked even the iphone can't set an mp3 as a ringtone). It's not like they're including special ringtones with their songs, so you would have to use the full song as your ringtone, or edit it yourself (which is useless since if you edit yourself, you could do the same thing with a CD).

CDs are going to continue to be produced. People are going to continue to use various services (most likely from their phone's provider) to get ringtones to their phone. They are going to release a few Albums this way, their are going to be poor sales, and they will cancel the format about a year later.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 5:24 pm
by Canelek
Brittney Spears, most country music, Metallica, just about anything on regular FM Radio... popular music--not just pop music!

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 5:47 pm
by Funkmasterr
Spang wrote:Just because all of the computer illiterates you know are over the age of 60, doesn't mean all of the computer illiterates are over the age of 60. There are computer illiterates at all ages.
No shit? Where in my statement did I say my sample data was all-encompassing? It just seems unlikely to me in this day and age that there can't be too big of a market in the pop culture age range that doesn't have these basic computer skills.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 5:50 pm
by Winnow
Aardor wrote:
Not all cell phones have miniSD slots.

Try this one out smartypants:

number of cell phones that accept CDs:

number of cell phones with microSD slots:

going forward, number of cell phones/portable players that will have CD players, and number of cell phones that will have microSD slots:

Here's a couple places to look as you tally your figures for MicroSD:
* Archos: 605 WiFi (4 GB flash version), 405
* Alcatel: OT-E801, OT-C717 Black Soft Touch
* BenQ-Siemens: EF61, E71, EF81, EL71, S82, SFG75, S88, CL71
* BlackBerry: Pearl (8100, 8120, 8130), Curve (8300, 8310, 8320, 8330), World Edition (8800, 8820, 8830)
* Cingular 3125
* E-TEN: glofiish X500, glofiish X500+, glofiish M700, glofiish X800
* FIC: Neo 1973T, Neo Freerunner
* Garmin hand-held GPS: Edge 605, 705, eTrex Vista Cx/HCx, Legend Cx/HCx, Venture Cx/HCx, GPSMAP 60Cx, 60Csx, 76Cx, 76Csx, StreetPilot i2, i3, etc.
* High Tech Computer Corporation (HTC): HTC Artemis, HTC Atlas, HTC Breeze/HTC MTeoR, HTC Cavalier, HTC Elf/HTC Ted Baker Needle/HTC Touch, HTC Elfin/HTC Touch, HTC Erato, HTC Excalibur, HTC G1, HTC Herald, HTC Hermes/HTC TyTN, HTC Iris, HTC Kaiser/HTC TyTN II, HTC Libra, HTC Love, HTC Monet, HTC Touch Neon/HTC Touch Dual US, HTC Nike/HTC Touch Dual, HTC Omni, HTC Pharos, HTC Polaris/HTC Touch Cruise/HTC Touch Find, HTC Raphael/HTC Touch Pro, HTC Startrek, HTC Titan, HTC Touch/HTC Vogue, HTC Vox, HTC Wings
* i-mate: Smartflip, JasJam
* iRiver: E100
* JVC: GZ-HD5, GZ-HD6
* Kyocera: KX55XO, Slider Sonic, Slider Remix
* LG Electronics: VX8300, VX8700, enV2 (VX9100), Dare (VX9700), Voyager (VX10000), Viewty (KU990), LGCU515, Shine (KE970), Rumor (LX260), Scoop (AX260), UX260
* Motorola: V360, E398, V635, V710, A780, E815, A840, E770, E815, E895, C975, V975, C980, V980, A1000, A1200, M1000,Maxx Ve E1000, V1000, ROKR, V1050, V1150, SLVR L7, Motorola L7e, E1060, E1120, RAZR (V3i, V3m, V3r, V3t, V3x, V3xx, V6), i870, i880, i876, i876w, i885, i580, A1200, KRZR (K1, K1m, K3), Z3, Z6, Z8, Z9, Z10, L7, Moto Q9h, Q9c
* NEC: N908
* Nintendo DS storage devices (e.g. DSTT)
* Nokia: 3109c, 3110c,3120c upto 4GB 3250, 3500c, 5200 (up to 2 GB), 5300, 5310 (up to 8 GB), 5320 (up to 8 GB), 5500, 5610, 5700, 6085, 6086, 6110 Navigator, 6120/6121 Classic, 6124 Classic, 6125, 6131/6126/6133, 6151, 6233, 6234, 6265i, 6267 6275i, 6300 (up to 2 GB), 6301, 6500 Slide, 6288, 6555, 7373, 7390, E50, E51, E61i, E65, E71, E90, N73, N75, N76, N78, N81, N82, N95, N96
* O2: O2 Ice, O2 Cocoon, Xda Orbit, Xda Orbit 2, Xda Exec, Xda Mini S, Xda Trion, Xda Stellar
* Orange: Berlin
* Palm: Centro, Treo 800w
* Patriot: PC133
* Pantech: Duo
* Pioneer: AVIC-S1 Mobile Navigation System
* Sagem: My V-76, My X 6-2, My501C, My401C, My411X, My511x
* Samsung: Samsung Instinct, SGH-A717, SGH-A737, SGH-F210, SGH-D600, SGH-Z370,SCH-U620, SGH-E740, SGH-X836, SGH-U510, SGH-U900
* SanDisk Sansa: e200 series, c200 series, Express, Fuze, View
* Sanyo: SCP-8400, SCP-8500 (Katana DLX)
* Sharp: 770SH
* Song: Song DIC 338/A138
* Sony Ericsson: K850, XPERIA X1
* T-Mobile: Dash (Smartphone), WIng (pocket pc), Sidekick 3, Sidekick LX, G1
* Vodafone: Vodafone 1210, Vodafone 720, Vodafone 716, Vodafone 715, Vodafone 810, Vodafone 527
Here's a starting point for CD enabled Cell Phones:
lol!

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 5:56 pm
by Aardor
Hey dipshit, How about you look at the number of cell phones that exist vs # with SD slots? Where did I say that the reason SD will fail is because you can use a CD on your cellphone. What I was saying is that the market for people who want SD cards to load music on their cellphones is very very small. Sorry that it went over your head.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 6:03 pm
by Funkmasterr
Aardor wrote:Hey dipshit, How about you look at the number of cell phones that exist vs # with SD slots? Where did I say that the reason SD will fail is because you can use a CD on your cellphone. What I was saying is that the market for people who want SD cards to load music on their cellphones is very very small. Sorry that it went over your head.
I'd say the majority of cell phones have SD slots. Even the shitty little phones you get for free that have like zero features have SD slots on them.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 6:05 pm
by Winnow
Aardor wrote:Hey dipshit, How about you look at the number of cell phones that exist vs # with SD slots? Where did I say that the reason SD will fail is because you can use a CD on your cellphone. What I was saying is that the market for people who want SD cards to load music on their cellphones is very very small. Sorry that it went over your head.
Look at the number of women from a few years ago with runaway pubes compared to the number all trimmed up today.

You have to look forward. I'm sure people at companies like Xerox used your same reasoning back before they went under.

All physical entertainment media is dying. The music industry is looking for the best possible physical format MOVING FORWARD to salvage what's left of the market for them...and as ass backwards as some people are,it's going to take a long time to get "common folk" to switch to electronic downloads completely. A microSD converter for your home theater will cost $10 or less. They'll probably have "buy three albums, get home theater adapter for free" sales.

Cassettes are still sold. That doesn't mean they're significant anymore.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 6:14 pm
by Aardor
Winnow wrote:
Aardor wrote:Hey dipshit, How about you look at the number of cell phones that exist vs # with SD slots? Where did I say that the reason SD will fail is because you can use a CD on your cellphone. What I was saying is that the market for people who want SD cards to load music on their cellphones is very very small. Sorry that it went over your head.
Look at the number of women from a few years ago with runaway pubes compared to the number all trimmed up today.

You have to look forward. I'm sure people at companies like Xerox used your same reasoning back before they went under.

All physical entertainment media is dying. The music industry is looking for the best possible physical format MOVING FORWARD to salvage what's left of the market for them...and as ass backwards as some people are,it's going to take a long time to get "common folk" to switch to electronic downloads completely. A microSD converter for your home theater will cost $10 or less. They'll probably have "buy three albums, get home theater adapter for free" sales.

Cassettes are still sold. That doesn't mean they're significant anymore.
Guess we'll have to see if it succeeds. http://www.betanews.com/article/SanDisk ... 1222124574 for some interesting news on how they Sandisk and toshiba/samsung regard the SlotMusic (i.e. a niche media, not going to take over the cd). Bragging right to whichever of us was right about the format.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 6:18 pm
by Aardor
Funkmasterr wrote:
Aardor wrote:Hey dipshit, How about you look at the number of cell phones that exist vs # with SD slots? Where did I say that the reason SD will fail is because you can use a CD on your cellphone. What I was saying is that the market for people who want SD cards to load music on their cellphones is very very small. Sorry that it went over your head.
I'd say the majority of cell phones have SD slots. Even the shitty little phones you get for free that have like zero features have SD slots on them.
How many of them offer you the ability to easily (must be easily, remember that we are talking about computer illiterate people here) play music on your phone, including offering some sort of output for you to use for headphones (with our without an adapter)? Also, how many of them allow use of mp3s as songs? I know that a bunch of Verizon's phones don't let you do this (it's locked out in their software).

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 29, 2008, 6:22 pm
by Funkmasterr
Aardor wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:
Aardor wrote:Hey dipshit, How about you look at the number of cell phones that exist vs # with SD slots? Where did I say that the reason SD will fail is because you can use a CD on your cellphone. What I was saying is that the market for people who want SD cards to load music on their cellphones is very very small. Sorry that it went over your head.
I'd say the majority of cell phones have SD slots. Even the shitty little phones you get for free that have like zero features have SD slots on them.
How many of them offer you the ability to easily (must be easily, remember that we are talking about computer illiterate people here) play music on your phone, including offering some sort of output for you to use for headphones (with our without an adapter)? Also, how many of them allow use of mp3s as songs? I know that a bunch of Verizon's phones don't let you do this (it's locked out in their software).
Verizon sucks. They have more limitations on their services than any of the others, I think (they limit what you can and can't do with on the internet with your data plan, absurd.)

That aside, I thought it was pretty common for the other phones companies to allow mp3's, but I could be wrong - it's never a feature I've cared about too much in a phone so I've never looked into it much.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 30, 2008, 6:36 am
by miir
If someone knows how to play mp3s from a micro-SD on their phone, they can sure as fuck figure out how to download songs from iTunes and put them on their Ipod.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: September 30, 2008, 9:11 am
by Zaelath
miir wrote:If someone knows how to play mp3s from a micro-SD on their phone, they can sure as fuck figure out how to download songs from iTunes and put them on their Ipod.
Plus, my micro-SD is harder to get at than my battery... no way I wanna be physically pulling my phone apart every time I want to change what I'm listening to...

I think this one is going the same route as the 8-track and the mini-disc.

Re: SlotMusic

Posted: October 3, 2008, 4:57 am
by Winnow
Today the otherwise preoccupied Senate quickly passed the Webcaster Settlement Act many of you petitioned for, granting Pandora and other net radio services the right to negotiate royalties with the record industry's SoundExchange coalition for the years 2006 to 2015. OK, that's a mouthful—what it means is, they will likely not be driven to bankruptcy due to unreasonable royalty rates.

I say "likely" because they still need to dot i's and cross t's on the royalty deal itself, but here, Congress approved their ability to do that, and just in the nick of time.

Pandora chief Tim Westergren told us today: "We’re just hugely grateful to our listeners and everyone who moved so quickly to mobilize support. This last weekend was just extraordinary." There you go, the world itself may be collapsing, but at least you know our legislators listened to your pleas to keep your favorite web radio broadcasters in business.
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