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A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 9:12 pm
by Drolgin Steingrinder
Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot, 1994 wrote:
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 9:43 pm
by Kaldaur
Jesus.
Talk about feeling insignificant. I love astronomy; it reminds me of the old cathedrals built across Europe in the 1400s. They were supposed to demonstrate God's superiority over man by being the most daunting structures in a city. Astronomy is like those old cathedrals, except on an infinitely larger scale.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 9:53 pm
by Spang
Couldn't they have given that thing a better camera?
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 10:02 pm
by noel
I'm sure it was the best there was at the time. Sucks that we can't do some kind of ultra-long distance upgrade though. =\
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 10:30 pm
by Siji
It blows my mind that we're receiving a signal from something that was launched in 1977 from 4 billion+ miles away. I mean seriously, do you realize how amazing that is? People take the space program for granted so badly it's mind numbing. 4 billion miles away, on 31 year old technology. What have YOU done lately?
It's humbling to take a moment each day and purposefully realize how insignificant we really are. 5-10 years after I'm dead, nobody will remember me other than my remaining family. Aside from doing something horribly bad, not much is going to change that. I'm ok with that. I don't need to be remembered by lots of people, I need to enjoy my life and do my part to help others around me do the same.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 10:34 pm
by Spang
When I'm dead, a camera will be attached to me before I go in the coffin. I'm putting that in my will.
31 years later it will take a picture.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 11:27 pm
by Winnow
Spang wrote:When I'm dead, a camera will be attached to me before I go in the coffin. I'm putting that in my will.
31 years later it will take a picture.
If you post smart-ass one liners every other thread it's still cute. Even one a day would get the point across!
NASA/JPL's unmanned interplanetary missions rank #1 on my list of human achievements.
I like this view of Earth from the surface of Mars:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ ... A067R1.jpg
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 24, 2008, 11:41 pm
by Spang
I'm doing it for Noel.
He likes this shit.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 1:47 am
by Funkmasterr
Spang wrote:I'm doing it for Noel.
He likes this shit.
Funk: Dude, you know how I know you're gay?
Spang: How?
Funk: Because you just said I'm doing it for Noel.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 1:52 am
by Spang
It's only gay if the balls touch.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 1:58 am
by Funkmasterr
Spang wrote:It's only gay if the balls touch.
On topic: This amazes me. I have been thinking more and more about how we have something out in space that is going to break into intersteller space in the not so distant future, and that is so cool to me I can't really put it into words.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 2:34 am
by noel
AFK to shower ><
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 10:42 am
by Spang
Don't worry, I'm not gay.
If I was gay, I wouldn't be interested in you anyways.
I'd want to be with a burly, bearded lumberjack.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 11:36 am
by Siji
The fact that you prefer sweaty hairy man parts to noel's shaved legs says something..
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 12:00 pm
by Boogahz
Siji wrote:The fact that you prefer sweaty hairy man parts to noel's shaved legs says something..
He's a Bear...or he prefers them at least.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 1:19 pm
by Drolgin Steingrinder
excellent threadshitting job, gents. I applaud you.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 1:30 pm
by nneenaK
Drolgin, thanks for posting that. It has to be my favorite Sagan clip. I have watched that video so many times that when I read the transcript, I hear it in his voice, not mine.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 1:50 pm
by Spang
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:excellent threadshitting job, gents. I applaud you.

Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 4:30 pm
by Winnow
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:excellent threadshitting job, gents. I applaud you.
I appreciated your effort.
As bad as I am about hijacking sometimes, I try not to fuck up good science thread just to make a retarded comment like the ones on this thread.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 4:36 pm
by Spang
Hey, I said I was sorry!
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 25, 2008, 5:18 pm
by Funkmasterr
Winnow wrote:Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:excellent threadshitting job, gents. I applaud you.
I appreciated your effort.
As bad as I am about hijacking sometimes, I try not to fuck up good science thread just to make a retarded comment like the ones on this thread.
Oh come on, spang set me up perfectly, I couldn't just let that one pass
I'm just as amazed by this stuff as any of you, my intentions weren't to wreck the thread

Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 4:58 am
by Nick
Pictures like this are about as cool as it gets.
I really like some of the pictures that were taken as Pheonix landed on Mars recently, there is one in particular that one of the orbiting satellites took of the Pheonix just as it was parachuting into this giant crater. It was the coolest picture I've seen in a good long while.
(Too busy to find it now, maybe someone else knows the one I mean?)
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 8:22 am
by Boogahz
Nick wrote:Pictures like this are about as cool as it gets.
I really like some of the pictures that were taken as Pheonix landed on Mars recently, there is one in particular that one of the orbiting satellites took of the Pheonix just as it was parachuting into this giant crater. It was the coolest picture I've seen in a good long while.
(Too busy to find it now, maybe someone else knows the one I mean?)
I know which one you mean...I thought it was cool that it was able to pass through the satellite's field of view in order to be captured in the pictures. Any kind of accuracy in controlling an unmanned craft at that distance is amazing. Whether it is just programmed to do so, or if commands from Earth are pumped in to correct things...wow
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 11:03 am
by Chidoro
How the hell are we even able to send or receive a signal from that far away? That was the first thing I thought of. My fucking XM radio goes out under a bridge, you'd think something would be blocking the way over the course of 4 billion miles.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 12:28 pm
by cadalano
good for us- NASA has thus far not had the misfortune of building any communication facilities underneath a bridge

Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 1:00 pm
by Psyloche
Chidoro wrote:How the hell are we even able to send or receive a signal from that far away? That was the first thing I thought of. My fucking XM radio goes out under a bridge, you'd think something would be blocking the way over the course of 4 billion miles.
I can't remember where I read it, but I recall reading something about how we stopped using signals that powerful a long time ago. Even though we can send signals that would go out into space, most of what we use is much shorter range now and I don't remember if that was because we don't need it that strong or because the waves carrying the signal are different. Or maybe I just watched Contact and am pulling shit out of my ass.
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 2:54 pm
by Canelek
I was reading a bit about Sagan on the wikipedia. I had no idea how much this dude contributed to science! I only remembered him from PBS stuff back when I was a kid. I think I will try to find the old programs and give them a looksee. Very awesome photo!
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 3:15 pm
by Psyloche
Canelek wrote:I was reading a bit about Sagan on the wikipedia. I had no idea how much this dude contributed to science! I only remembered him from PBS stuff back when I was a kid. I think I will try to find the old programs and give them a looksee. Very awesome photo!
I decided to read the wiki about him and this gave me a good laugh:
In 1994, Apple Computer began developing the Power Macintosh 7100. They chose the internal code name "Carl Sagan", the in-joke being that the mid-range PowerMac 7100 would make Apple "billions and billions."[2] Though the project name was strictly internal and never used in public marketing, when Sagan learned of this internal usage he sued Apple Computer to force the use of a different project name. Other models released conjointly had code names such as "Cold fusion" and "Piltdown Man", and he was displeased at being associated with what he considered pseudoscience. (He was at the time writing a book debunking pseudoscience.) Though Sagan lost the suit, Apple engineers complied with his demands anyway, renaming the project "BHA" (for Butt-Head Astronomer). Sagan promptly sued Apple for libel over the new name, claiming that it subjected him to contempt and ridicule, but he lost this lawsuit as well. Still, the 7100 saw another name change: it was finally referred to internally as "LAW" (Lawyers Are Wimps).[15][16]
Re: A bit of perspective, pt. 2
Posted: June 26, 2008, 3:35 pm
by cadalano
I can't remember where I read it, but I recall reading something about how we stopped using signals that powerful a long time ago. Even though we can send signals that would go out into space, most of what we use is much shorter range now and I don't remember if that was because we don't need it that strong or because the waves carrying the signal are different. Or maybe I just watched Contact and am pulling shit out of my ass.
more powerful telemetry equipment consumes more weight, volume, and power. there's no reason to make any compromises to gain communication range that the mission objectives don't call for. additionally, once a satellite gets far enough from the Sun, photovoltaic arrays become impractical and a nuclear reactor is needed which carries a lot more controversy these days (Cassini).
back in the 1970s then the situation was much more flexible i'm sure as far as logistics versus budget & public opinion