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http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/10849526.html
Hollywood now proposes that in a new live-action movie based on the G.I. Joe toy line, Joe's -- well, "G.I." -- identity needs to be replaced by membership in an "international force based in Brussels." The IGN Entertainment news site reports Paramount is considering replacing our "real American hero" with "Action Man," member of an "international operations team."

Paramount will simply turn Joe's name into an acronym.

The show biz newspaper Variety reports: "G.I. Joe is now a Brussels-based outfit that stands for Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity, an international co-ed force of operatives who use hi-tech equipment to battle Cobra, an evil organization headed by a double-crossing Scottish arms dealer."


Well, thank goodness the villain -- no need to offend anyone by making our villains Arabs, Muslims, or foreign dictators of any stripe these days, though apparently Presbyterians who talk like Scottie on "Star Trek" are still OK -- is a double-crossing arms dealer. Otherwise one might be tempted to conclude the geniuses at Paramount believe arms dealing itself is evil.

(Just for the record, what did the quintessential American hero, Humphrey Bogart's Rick Blaine in "Casablanca," do before he opened his eponymous cafe? Yep: gun-runner.)

According to reports in Variety and the aforementioned IGN, the producers explain international marketing would simply prove too difficult for a summer, 2009 film about a heroic U.S. soldier. Thus the need to "eliminate Joe's connection to the U.S. military."

Well, who cares. G.I. Joe is just a toy, right? He was never real. Right?

On Nov. 15, 2003, an 85-year-old retired Marine Corps colonel died of congestive heart failure at his home in La Quinta, Calif., southeast of Palm Springs. He was a combat veteran of World War II. His name was Mitchell Paige.

It's hard today to envision -- or, for the dwindling few, to remember -- what the world looked like on Oct. 25, 1942 -- 65 years ago.

The U.S. Navy was not the most powerful fighting force in the Pacific. Not by a long shot. So the Navy basically dumped a few thousand lonely American Marines on the beach at Guadalcanal and high-tailed it out of there.

(You old swabbies can hold the letters. I've written elsewhere about the way Bull Halsey rolled the dice on the night of Nov. 13, 1942, violating the stern War College edict against committing capital ships in restricted waters and instead dispatching into the Slot his last two remaining fast battleships, the South Dakota and the Washington, escorted by the only four destroyers with enough fuel in their bunkers to get them there and back. By 11 p.m., with the fire control systems on the South Dakota malfunctioning, with the crews of those American destroyers cheering her on as they treaded water in an inky sea full of flaming wreckage, "At that moment Washington was the entire U.S. Pacific Fleet," writes naval historian David Lippman. "If this one ship did not stop 14 Japanese ships right then and there, America might lose the war. ..." At midnight precisely, facing those impossible odds, the battleship Washington opened up with her 16-inch guns. If you're reading this in English, you should be able to figure out how she did.)

But the Washington's one-sided battle with the Kirishima was still weeks in the future. On Oct. 25, Mitchell Paige was back on the God-forsaken malarial jungle island of Guadalcanal.

On Guadalcanal, the Marines struggled to complete an airfield that could threaten the Japanese route to Australia. Admiral Yamamoto knew how dangerous that was. Before long, relentless Japanese counterattacks had driven the supporting U.S. Navy from inshore waters. The Marines were on their own.

As Platoon Sgt. Mitchell Paige and his 33 riflemen set about carefully emplacing their four water-cooled .30-caliber Brownings on that hillside, 65 years ago this week -- manning their section of the thin khaki line that was expected to defend Henderson Field against the assault of the night of Oct. 25, 1942 -- it's unlikely anyone thought they were about to provide the definitive answer to that most desperate of questions: How many able-bodied U.S. Marines does it take to hold a hill against 2,000 armed and motivated attackers?

But by the time the night was over, "The 29th (Japanese) Infantry Regiment has lost 553 killed or missing and 479 wounded among its 2,554 men," historian Lippman reports. "The 16th (Japanese) Regiment's losses are uncounted, but the 164th's burial parties handled 975 Japanese bodies. ... The American estimate of 2,200 Japanese dead is probably too low."

You've already figured out where the Japanese focused their attack, haven't you? Among the 90 American dead and seriously wounded that night were all the men in Mitchell Paige's platoon. Every one. As the night of endless attacks wore on, Paige moved up and down his line, pulling his dead and wounded comrades back into their foxholes and firing a few bursts from each of the four Brownings in turn, convincing the Japanese forces down the hill that the positions were still manned.

The citation for Paige's Medal of Honor picks up the tale: "When the enemy broke through the line directly in front of his position, P/Sgt. Paige, commanding a machine gun section with fearless determination, continued to direct the fire of his gunners until all his men were either killed or wounded. Alone, against the deadly hail of Japanese shells, he fought with his gun and when it was destroyed, took over another, moving from gun to gun, never ceasing his withering fire."

In the end, Sgt. Paige picked up the last of the 40-pound, belt-fed Brownings and did something for which the weapon was never designed. Sgt. Paige walked down the hill toward the place where he could hear the last Japanese survivors rallying to move around his flank, the belt-fed gun cradled under his arm, firing as he went.

Coming up at dawn, battalion executive officer Major Odell M. Conoley was the first to discover how many able-bodied United States Marines it takes to hold a hill against two regiments of motivated, combat-hardened infantrymen who have never known defeat.

On a hill where the bodies were piled like cordwood, Mitchell Paige alone sat upright behind his 30-caliber Browning, waiting to see what the dawn would bring.

The hill had held, because on the hill remained the minimum number of able-bodied United States Marines necessary to hold the position.

And that's where the unstoppable wave of Japanese conquest finally crested, broke, and began to recede. On an unnamed jungle ridge on an insignificant island no one ever heard of, called Guadalcanal.

When the Hasbro Toy Co. called some years back, asking permission to put the retired colonel's face on some kid's doll, Mitchell Paige thought they must be joking.

But they weren't. That's his mug, on the little Marine they call "G.I. Joe." At least, it has been up till now.

Mitchell Paige's only condition? That G.I. Joe must always remain a United States Marine.

But don't worry. Far more important for our new movies not to offend anyone in Cairo or Karachi or Paris or Palembang.

After all, it's only a toy. It doesn't mean anything.
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TBH, I'm surprised the movie is even getting made in today's political and wartime environment. It would be a tough sell to show Americans fighting terrorists of any nature and have it be anything less than creepy social commentry, even if it was completely on accident.

The director sucks, so I'm assuming the movie will not be very good at all. Stephen Sommers gave us such gems as The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, and ... wait for it ... Van Helsing.

I forsee lots of CGI, bad costumes, one liners, and over the top weapons/vehicles.
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Fairweather Pure wrote:I forsee lots of CGI, bad costumes, one liners, and over the top weapons/vehicles.
sounds like the gi joe universe to me...
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Fairweather Pure wrote:TBH, I'm surprised the movie is even getting made in today's political and wartime environment. It would be a tough sell to show Americans fighting terrorists of any nature and have it be anything less than creepy social commentry, even if it was completely on accident.

They actually did Transformers instead of this movie for that exact reason. Apparently the potential money is burning a hole in their futurepockets
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GI Joe had been bastardized way before Paramount layed out their plans for this movie.

Then again, if I can avoid the blatant whoring of the american flag in another movie(see Spiderman 1 and 3) then I'll be thankful.

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Fairweather Pure wrote: The director sucks, so I'm assuming the movie will not be very good at all. Stephen Sommers gave us such gems as The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, and ... wait for it ... Van Helsing.
Actually I thought the two mummy movies were really good. Van Helsing was utter garbage though.
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The ONLY thing memorable about the mummy movies to me begins with Rachel and ends with Weisz.
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What a flag waving tosser.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046173/

A bunch of pics up on what a lot of the characters look like.

Snake Eyes looks really fucking cool, as does Heavy Duty. Most the characters look pretty sweet, so they at least passed one test.
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Animalor wrote:Then again, if I can avoid the blatant whoring of the american flag in another movie(see Spiderman 1 and 3) then I'll be thankful.
Don't forget that horrible bit in the Indy 4 trailer.
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Momopi wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote: The director sucks, so I'm assuming the movie will not be very good at all. Stephen Sommers gave us such gems as The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, and ... wait for it ... Van Helsing.
Actually I thought the two mummy movies were really good. Van Helsing was utter garbage though.
I too personally really enjoyed the Mummy Movies. The first two at least. I love the Rock but the Scorpion King really wasn't as good as it should be. I will still watch it but not pay serious attention to it. Good for background noise. I barely remember the Van Helsing movie which means I probably was left with a "meh" feeling about it and would throw it in the same bucket as The Scorpion King.
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They all wear the same uniform? Bah! The costumes were the large part of the characters! Only Snake Eyes and Stormshadow are unique :(
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Dregor Thule wrote:They all wear the same uniform? Bah! The costumes were the large part of the characters! Only Snake Eyes and Stormshadow are unique :(

Yeah, I am disappointed to see that as well
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Sargeras wrote:Super Bowl commercial!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDPEo50Edw

Not knowing that was GI Joe until the end, the trailer looked great.
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Trek wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:They all wear the same uniform? Bah! The costumes were the large part of the characters! Only Snake Eyes and Stormshadow are unique :(

Yeah, I am disappointed to see that as well
Bad marketing move as well. Lot less action figures sold that way.
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Sargeras wrote:Super Bowl commercial!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDPEo50Edw
What the hell was that?
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Latest rumor/news sounds ugly!

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/14386/ ... rs-career-
The gossip story of the day so far is that Paramount's upcoming "G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra" is so bad that the director may have been fired.

It all began when a posting on Don Murphy's message board, now removed, claimed that a test screening of the upcoming action film scored the worst marks in the studio's history. As a result Paramount exec Brad Weston had the film's director Stephen Sommers ("The Mummy," "Van Helsing") fired and locked out of the editing room.

Stuart Baird, a renowned "fixer" editor was brought it to try to see if it could be made releasable, while producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura was told "his services were no longer needed on the film either". When word of the firing started to get around, Sommers "was summoned back to the editing room but only to save appearances, Baird is still editing the movie with studio input."

Latino Review then followed that post up with a few checks of their own. While columnists have been quick to slam the film, it apparently is tracking quite well, and so the site got in contact with di Bonaventura himself to ask if the report had any truth?

"It's completely untrue he was never asked to leave or been fired or any of that. That’s ridiculous. The movie tested very well. Everybody was happy, the studio was happy, the filmmakers were happy, the audience was happy with the movie. We had three test screenings, three different times and tested it and each time it just got better and better. We started off in a good place and we ended up in even in a better place, which is what you hope on a film from testing it."

So what happened in the editing room? "Nothing that doesn’t happen on every other movie, which is that you constantly work and work and work and you make it better and better. We had a delay on visual effects so we waited a long time to finish the movie but that’s the only thing. I don’t really know why that would be interpreting it negatively but I guess it was".

Still, many remain dubious. There's been blood in the water on this film for a while and many online critics seem to have already made their minds up on the film. Sommers has generally provoked dislike amongst critics, and the word is with 'Joe' he essentially got total creative freedom to do what he wanted. Has that resulted in a workable film? We'll find out in two months.
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Winnow wrote: Not knowing that was GI Joe until the end, the trailer looked great.

I dunno, lines like "When all else fails...we don't..." pretty much nail the coffin shut for me.

Oh..let's not forget the whole Delta 6 accelerator suit intro (which makes them look alike??)....

..." WHAT'S IT ACCELERATE?!" ...

..."YOU!"

Can we get these studios that are raping my childhood registered as sex offenders? Seriously.
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Does the 2 guys jumping and twisting around look like that seen in transformers where they do that same thing to anybody else?


It really isnt Gi Joe if they dont have their own persona, thats what I liked about em as a kid
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GI Joe means something totally different to me that most of you I think. When I think GI Joe I'm thinking of the 12" plastic doll with camo clothes and a fuzzy beard, pre Kung Fu grip. Kung Fu grip made it so much better. The vehicles were huge jeeps and stuff like that. Just different generation I guess. So when you say that they are raping your childhood, your version did the same to my version in a weird sense.
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Bubba Grizz wrote:GI Joe means something totally different to me that most of you I think. When I think GI Joe I'm thinking of the 12" plastic doll with camo clothes and a fuzzy beard, pre Kung Fu grip. Kung Fu grip made it so much better. The vehicles were huge jeeps and stuff like that. Just different generation I guess. So when you say that they are raping your childhood, your version did the same to my version in a weird sense.
Ditto. By the time the "Real American Hero" line of toys came out, I was in my teens and hadn't been playing with toys like that for a few years. When I saw various friends' younger brothers playing with them, I thought they were kind of lame compared to my G.I. Joe (the real one). When the cartoons came out a few years later, I remember getting baked after high school and watching them from time to time, but that's about it. I don't care much about what they're doing to that franchise for the same reason as Bubba.

I could say pretty much the same for the Transformers (which I thought was more entertaining to watch baked).
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Speaking of that generation, if you never ended up setting your GI Joe's head on fire you, you didn't really explore all the possibilities of that era.

When I see people talk of these Warhammer Armies, I remember my massive unpainted green collection of army men back then. I didn't paint them and had a blast shooting rubber bands back and forth with friends, simulating battles. (of course, I had the guns of Navarone accessory)

I remember so many times, setting up assaults on this mountain with friends. I'm betting shooting rubberbands at those fancy painted Warhammer figures is out of the question, while running over the green (and grey for russia/germany, etc) plastic figures with tanks, etc, was all sorts of fun! Experiencing high casualties (losing some of your army in the mud) in the backyard wasn't something to be sad about.
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of course, I had the guns of Navarone accessory
I got this for Christmas one year. It wasn't the biggest or best present I got that year, but it was my favorite. My friends and I had so much fun with that thing. My dad was still digging up long lost pieces of it (mostly the various yellow plastic ladders, howitzers and so forth) in his backyard well into my 20's.
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I also had the Navarone set as well as the Battlefield set? I think it was called battlefield at least. It had the same figures. The allies were green and the germans were gray. I remember making some incredible fortresses out of sand.
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Listen, you old fogeys should start your own thread to talk about the upcoming Pet Rock, Easy Bake Oven, Chatty Cathy or Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots movies. This one is for the non-AARP folk to talk about how this movie is going to butcher the legacy of the real GI Joes...

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Rockem Sockem Robots were awesome! What I really miss though are my demolision derby cars with the rip cord and ramp. Crash Bang Smack them up, put them back again... Or my Evil Kneivel motorcycle guy.
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Bubba Grizz wrote:What I really miss though are my demolision derby cars with the rip cord and ramp. Crash Bang Smack them up, put them back again...
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Mitchell Paige was HARDCORE!

With that said, i just wanted to see SnakeEyes and StormShadow in this movie so im content! :D

Ray Park is Snake so the martial arts will be good as well.

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You guys sure do get all teary eyed thinking about your dolls. I only remember the action figures! Go Joe!
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This movie was actually big ridiculous fun, exactly what a GI Joe movie should be. I am very suprised that I enjoyed it as much as I did. So many scenes reminded me of shots from other movies I have watched....anyone else? I could have definately done without the accelerator suits.



If you enjoyed the cartoon, I think you will enjoy this
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The movie was OK.

Better than the Transformers for entertainment.
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Finally got around to seeing this movie late last week. I was very much entertained by this. I do so enjoy big dumb action movies.
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I've seen it too. It wasn't terrible like Van Helsing. Instead it was a fair action movie like Mummy. They're making the sequel right now.
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Yep... pretty fun, mindless action flick.
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My favorite part is when the baroness ran out of ammo for her uzi and pulls out this pistol that like destroys half a building every time it hits something. Why do you even have an uzi, you cunt? Just use the purse gun that shoots bundles of dynamite!
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It was an OK way to spend 2 hours of a percocet-fog last year after getting wisdom teeth pulled.... other than that, I guess this shit was a lot cooler when I was 10! :)
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