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red fridays

Posted: February 8, 2007, 11:31 pm
by redeemed
it doesn't really matter where I found this and I'm not sure of the original source but I thought I'd post it just to see the america-haters come out and talk shit ..
haha not really, just wanted to post it :razz:



As a Company, Southwest Airlines is going to support "Red Fridays."

Last week I was in Atlanta , Georgia attending a conference.
While I was in the airport, returning home, I heard several people behind me beginning to clap and cheer. I immediately turned around and witnessed one of the greatest act's of patriotism I have ever seen. Moving thru the terminal was a group of soldiers in their
camo's, as they began heading to their gate everyone (well almost everyone) was abruptly to their feet with their hands waving and cheering. When I saw the soldiers, probably 30-40 of them, being applauded and cheered for it hit me. I'm not alone. I'm not the only red blooded American who still loves this country and supports our troops and their families.

Of course I i mmediately stopped and began clapping for these
young unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for us so we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal.

Just when I thought I could not be more proud of my country or of our service men and women a young girl, not more than 6 or 7 years old, ran up to one of the male soldiers. He kneeled down and said "hi," the little girl then she asked
him if he would give something to her daddy for her. The young
soldier, he didn't look any older than maybe 22 himself, said he would try and what did she want to give to her daddy? Then suddenly the little girl grabbed the neck of this soldier, gave him the biggest hug she could muster and then kissed him on the cheek.

The mother of the little girl, who said her daughters name was
Courtney, told the young soldier that her husband was a Marine and had been in Iraq for 11 months now. As the mom was explaining how much her daughter, Courtney, missed her father, the young soldier began to tear up.

When this temporarily single mom was done explaining her situation, all of the soldiers huddled together for a brief second. Then one of the other servicemen pulled out a military looking walkie-talkie. They started playing with the device and talking back and forth on it. After about 10-15 seconds of this, the young soldier walked back over to Courtney, bent down and said this to her, "I spoke to your daddy and he told me to give this to you." He then hugged this little girl that he had just met and gave her a kiss on the cheek. He finished by saying "your daddy told me to tell you that he loves you more than anything and he is coming home very soon."

The mom at this point was crying almost uncontrollably and as
the young soldier stood to his feet he saluted Courtney and her mom. I was standing no more than 6 feet away from this entire event unfolded. As the soldiers began to leave, heading towards their gate, people resumed their applause. As I stood there applauding and looked around, their were very few dry eyes, including my own. That young soldier in one last act of
selflessness, turned around and bl ew a kiss to Courtney with a
tear rolling down his cheek.

We need to remember everyday all of our soldiers and their
families and thank God for them and their sacrifices. At the end of the day, it's good to be an American.

RED FRIDAYS ----- Very soon, you will see a great many people
wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support our troops used to be called the "silent majority". We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or over-bearing. We get no liberal media coverage on TV, to reflect our message or our opinions. Many Americans, like you, me and
all our friends, simply want to recognize that the vast majority
of America supports our troops.


Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with
dignity and respect starts this Friday -and continues each and every
Friday until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that.. Every red-blooded American who supports our men and women afar will wear something red. By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make the United States on every Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming football game in the bleachers.

If every one of us who loves this country will share this with
acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family. It will not be long before the USA is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once "silent" majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked "What can we do to
make things better for you?" is...We need your support and your prayers. Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by
example; and wear something red every Friday.


WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.
THEIR BLOOD RUNS RED---- SO WEAR RED! --- MAY GOD HELP AMERICA TO BECOME ONE NATION, UNDER GOD

Re: red fridays

Posted: February 9, 2007, 12:16 am
by kyoukan
what an unbelievable load of shit. I know that you americans like to use this touching sounding crap as a way of not thinking about the horrifying atrocities and the fact that your country is currently militarily occupying a foreign nation, but come on.
redeemed wrote:Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping for these young unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for us so we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal.
Iraqis were stopping you from going to work and school? did they have checkpoints up at major insections in american cities? oh wait, those are in fucking baghdad.

nice story though. sadly fake.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 12:32 am
by Winnow
...not sure how true or partially true that story is but I'm proud of the way Americans have supported our troops, pretty much ever since the disgraceful treatment they received during and after Vietnam, regardless of each individuals stance on the politics behind the conflicts.

Good stuff.

Re: red fridays

Posted: February 9, 2007, 12:44 am
by Cartalas
kyoukan wrote:what an unbelievable load of shit. I know that you americans like to use this touching sounding crap as a way of not thinking about the horrifying atrocities and the fact that your country is currently militarily occupying a foreign nation, but come on.
redeemed wrote:Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping for these young unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for us so we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal.
Iraqis were stopping you from going to work and school? did they have checkpoints up at major insections in american cities? oh wait, those are in fucking baghdad.

nice story though. sadly fake.
Fuck off!! That is all

Posted: February 9, 2007, 2:24 am
by Siji
I pity the soldiers fighting a war we can't win for a president that doesn't deserve their loyalty.

That said, wearing a red T-shirt isn't going to do jack shit. You want to send a message? Push to get Bush impeached. Let the rest of the world know that we the public don't believe in the same shit this lunatic does. I'm sure it wouldn't happen, but it would send more of a message than wearing a colored piece of cotton.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 9:43 am
by Tinkin Tankem
As far as the impeachment of Bush is concerned it won't happen. He would be out of office by the time the hearings were even close to over. Let alone the time and steps it would take to get it all started. Right or wrong it won't happen. As a "Republican" that voted for him I'll be the first to say that we don't want him either. I support what we're into at the moment only because I feel and believe that it would be worse for us to leave not then it would have been to have never started the war in the first place. People are too stuck on the fact that we should have never gotten involved to realize that we are and we need to finish it.

That being said my avatar kinda cracks me up now. Going back to the ring corrupting the race of men. Bush was given the ring. He lead it all and the minions followed (Maybe he was one of the minions and the ring was held by another.)

Back on the rail. I think it's great that this day and age people actually realize that the troops are serving the country in good and bad. They chose to go the route of being a soldier _for_ America. Even if they had personal needs to fill. Either way they're doing what very few of us in this community or country would do. They do it so that we don't have to. If it wasn't for the people that volunteer to join the forces people wouldn't have a choice. The government would choose for them. Why wouldn't you support someone that is only supporting you. You can't tell me that Bush is intentionally hurting the country. Nobody at that power would do that. Even if it hurts a few it's for the greater good. You can't do anything without stepping on a few toes.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 10:46 am
by rhyae
I've never seen people standing and clapping, and that story is sappy and over the top. Propaganda is routine.
But in the 8 times I've been in and out of airports in the last couple of years there are always soldiers coming and going. And every time you see them you see people walking up and shaking their hands or patting their backs and asking them where they are going and telling them they are appreciated.
Stewardesses have passed out blank paper so people could write a note to the soldiers headed to Iraq.
While sometimes I think the soldiers are embarassed by all the attention, I am also glad people feel the need to express it.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 11:00 am
by Siji
Tinkin Tankem wrote:As far as the impeachment of Bush is concerned it won't happen. He would be out of office by the time the hearings were even close to over. Let alone the time and steps it would take to get it all started. Right or wrong it won't happen.
True, but again, it would give a pretty undeniable indication that the American people don't support the stupidity currently in office. Of course there's all those intelligent people that would rather impeach someone for getting blown in the white house versus someone that's blowing the country to hell.
Tinkin Tankem wrote:People are too stuck on the fact that we should have never gotten involved to realize that we are and we need to finish it.
To what cost? At what point do we worry more about the continuation of a mistake just to save face versus bankrupting our country and losing and crippling thousands of our citizens? Those profiting from Iraq should have all the money they need. Enough is enough.

Re: red fridays

Posted: February 9, 2007, 11:52 am
by Al
kyoukan wrote:Iraqis were stopping you from going to work and school? did they have checkpoints up at major insections in american cities? oh wait, those are in fucking baghdad.

No. The Germans and Japanese were trying to stop us (and all of Europe and Asia) from going about our business. The British were trying to stop us from going about our business. The Soviet Union was trying to stop us from going about our business.
It isn't the current situation that I applaud, it is the selfless courage our soldiers show in the face of tyranny of all sorts, from all ages. No, I do not believe the situation in Iraq is just, but on the surface we did a just thing by going there and removing a violent dictator from power. Certainly our current governments ineptness has lent strength to an enemy that should not have been in the first place, but that is not the soldiers fault. They serve (in most cases) willingly, knowing that to serve may mean to die. They stand and get shot at by zealots and militants so that you can have the freedom to mock them. Were it not for the selfless acts of patriots in centuries and decades past, you would not have the freedoms you so callously abuse.
It is not the soldiers current actions that preserve your rights, it is the fact that soldiers exist. Were there no wars, soldiers would not exist, but as long as people feel the need to slaughter each other in the name of God or Allah or Saddam or anything else, this world will need people to defend those that cannot. I applaud all people, everywhere, who are willing to lay down their life so that others may live.
as a way of not thinking about the horrifying atrocities
War is horrifying. War is an atrocity. I will never forget the terrible things my nation has done in the name of freedom. My nation dropped nuclear weapons on two cities. While those cities were supplying a war effort that was costing thousands and thousands of lives, I have seen the aftermath of those attacks, as I have seen the aftermath of the attacks in NYC on September 11th. I am appalled by the devastation. I know the depths to which man will sink in order to prevail in conflict, and I do not like it one bit. I have known people who have died in the line of duty, and I have known people who have been so horribly wounded that they wish they would have died in the line of duty. Our atrocities are terrible and many. Our benevolent deeds outnumber the atrocities at least 100 to 1. I would gladly fight to save my nation and our freedoms. I would hope that my neighbor would do the same, but if he won't, that is his choice. That is the freedom that I hold dear, and that is the freedom that I would choose to protect. I honor all who are willing to serve, as I honor all who object to service.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 12:04 pm
by Al
Siji wrote:Of course there's all those intelligent people that would rather impeach someone for getting blown in the white house versus someone that's blowing the country to hell.
While I don't appreciate the President of my country cheating on his wife, it is not the blowjob that bothers me. It is the fact that he undermined the basic tenets of our judicial system by lying repeatedly on the stand, under oath. Had that been me, I would have served jail time and paid a hefty fine. He just said that he didn't believe oral sex counted as sex. He stuck to that, and got out of it with a harshly worded letter from Congress. He should have been impeached, because what he did was far worse than robbery. Part of the blame for todays situation in government rests on President Clinton's charismatic shoulders.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 12:48 pm
by miir
This ridiculous chain letter is still floating around 2 years later? :roll:

Posted: February 9, 2007, 1:18 pm
by Deward
I have ahd to listen to that story on the radio 25 times a day for months. Thank god for preset stations so I can switch it off. The first couple times it sounded nice, after that it just got annoying.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 1:25 pm
by noel
Al wrote:
Siji wrote:Of course there's all those intelligent people that would rather impeach someone for getting blown in the white house versus someone that's blowing the country to hell.
While I don't appreciate the President of my country cheating on his wife, it is not the blowjob that bothers me. It is the fact that he undermined the basic tenets of our judicial system by lying repeatedly on the stand, under oath. Had that been me, I would have served jail time and paid a hefty fine. He just said that he didn't believe oral sex counted as sex. He stuck to that, and got out of it with a harshly worded letter from Congress. He should have been impeached, because what he did was far worse than robbery. Part of the blame for todays situation in government rests on President Clinton's charismatic shoulders.
He should have never been on the goddamn stand in the first place. The shitty republican good-ole-boy network was so concerned with getting a democrat out of office that instead of doing their fucking jobs as legislators they went on a goddamn witch hunt with that Wormtongue-esque tool Kenneth Star.

Kennedy got more ass than an astronaut and no one ever complained about the job he did.

Must. Breathe.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 1:27 pm
by Al
noel wrote:
Al wrote:
Siji wrote:Of course there's all those intelligent people that would rather impeach someone for getting blown in the white house versus someone that's blowing the country to hell.
While I don't appreciate the President of my country cheating on his wife, it is not the blowjob that bothers me. It is the fact that he undermined the basic tenets of our judicial system by lying repeatedly on the stand, under oath. Had that been me, I would have served jail time and paid a hefty fine. He just said that he didn't believe oral sex counted as sex. He stuck to that, and got out of it with a harshly worded letter from Congress. He should have been impeached, because what he did was far worse than robbery. Part of the blame for todays situation in government rests on President Clinton's charismatic shoulders.
He should have never been on the goddamn stand in the first place. The shitty republican good-ole-boy network was so concerned with getting a democrat out of office that instead of doing their fucking jobs as legislators they went on a goddamn witch hunt with that Wormtongue-esque tool Kenneth Star.

Kennedy got more ass than an astronaut and no one ever complained about the job he did.

Must. Breathe.
I agree, but it doesn't condone what he did.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 1:30 pm
by masteen
noel wrote:Kennedy got more ass than an astronaut and no one ever complained about the job he did.

Must. Breathe.
I wonder if he ever wore diapers...

Posted: February 9, 2007, 1:47 pm
by noel
It's really opinion at that point, but I think 'what he did' is between him and Hilary, and no one else.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 2:12 pm
by Boogahz
noel wrote:It's really opinion at that point, but I think 'what he did' is between him and Hilary, and no one else.
I think you missed the point where he said he only had a problem with the actions on the stand, not about the blowjob(s).

Posted: February 9, 2007, 2:51 pm
by noel
I think you missed the point where I said he shouldn't have been on the stand in the first place, and shouldn't have been asked those questions in the first place. Those questions had NOTHING to do with anything related to the job our government is supposed to be doing. They were a huge waste of all of our time and money, and those questions were only asked to embarrass him, not to serve any higher purpose.

Re: red fridays

Posted: February 9, 2007, 3:05 pm
by Fairweather Pure
Al wrote: War is horrifying. War is an atrocity.
It's even worse when it's done for no reason. All your other war comparisons do not apply here. It's not even close, and the fact that you lump them together is laughable. It exposes a mentality that should be mocked, not emulated. The blood from the war in Iraq is on our hands since we were the aggressor. America is the bad guy in this completely unnecessary war that has taken the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

I do not feel pride or patriotism for this war. I feel ashamed and embarrassed. Furthermore, I fear the many and varied repercussions that we will be having to deal with for the decades to follow, once we pull up stakes and leave. When I see a soldier, I want to apologize, not slap him on the back. Sorry you have to leave your family for this. Sorry, you might get killed in Iraq and leave a widow and your children will never know you. I'm sorry the military exploits your economic/social status and race, and now you're going off to die in a foreign land for nothing.

The OP just makes me shake my head in disbelief. First, that anyone would believe this to be real and not some contrived piece of trash. Second, it further cements my belief that we have too many goddamn sheep in this country.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 3:06 pm
by Lalanae
People who think being against the Iraq War and *not* being supporting of the troops go hand-in-hand are really stupid. Being against the war is the BEST way to support our troops.

And wearing a red shirt every Friday or spending $5 on a Chinese-manufactured "Support the Troops" bumper sticker doesn't do jack shit for our troops, morons!

You people who buy this shit are the dumbest motherfuckers...

Posted: February 9, 2007, 3:10 pm
by masteen
I think a president's behavior toward interns is of some importance. Certainly not worthy of a fucking House and Senate inquiry followed by impeachment proceedings, but it was more than something to be kept between him and Hillary.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 3:12 pm
by Lalanae
Its so funny how how every debate about GW's failing policies always dissolves into "Oh yeah, well Clinton got a BJ and lied about it!" Really sad that that is all conservatives can come up with.

Lieing about a BJ and enacting policies that killed thousands and negatively impacted millions is SO similar :roll:

Posted: February 9, 2007, 4:02 pm
by redeemed
I don't own any "support" gear but I think I'll wear red today just because ;p
I don't support the war, just the the actual people that have to fight it

p.s. (possible derail)
anyone near my area (central coast california) should come see jake shimabukuro on the 13th in san louis.. it's 20 at the door and he's badass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo

PM me for details if anyone wants to go! :D

Posted: February 9, 2007, 4:08 pm
by masteen
Clinton lied about getting a hummer, Dubya lied about critical intelligence regarding Iraq acquiring yellowcake. If you can't see how simliar the two are, then you are part of the problem/biased by the liberal media/ZOMGLETSROLL.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 4:17 pm
by Vaemas
You want to support the troops?

Spend $30 at the grocery store and put together a care package. Mail it to someone you know over there. If you don't know anyone, ask someone you know who knows someone over there.

What's $30 out of your pocket?
  • Baby wipes
    Socks
    Duct tape
    First aid stuff (bandaids, asprin, motrin, etc)
    AA/AAA batteries
    Writable CDs/DVDs
    Tobacco products (even if someone does not smoke, these can always be traded)
    Foot powder
    Travel sized toiletries
    Power bars
    Pens, pencils, post-its, highlighters, etc

Posted: February 9, 2007, 10:06 pm
by Al
noel wrote:I think you missed the point where I said he shouldn't have been on the stand in the first place, and shouldn't have been asked those questions in the first place. Those questions had NOTHING to do with anything related to the job our government is supposed to be doing. They were a huge waste of all of our time and money, and those questions were only asked to embarrass him, not to serve any higher purpose.
He shouldn't have been on the stand in the first place. It was a witch hunt at the taxpayers expense. It was wrong and counterproductive. There should never have been an inquiry. It was a politically motivated scam to shame the President.

What he did on the stand that he should have never been on is reprehensible. He broke his oath of office by lying on the stand. There was absolutly no reason to lie about it, he had already been caught. He was only trying to save his own reputation, and he did not care who or what was dragged through the mud to attain that goal. He dragged our nations principles through shit, and for what? So no one would know that he got a blower from some White House slut? We already knew he was that sort of guy when we elected him the first time! What was he hiding? Why was he willing to break a law that so fundamentally matters in the courtroom over this? He should have been impeached, and those that put him on the stand should have been the ones getting the harshly worded letter from Congress. The entire situation made a mockery of due process, and reaffirmed my belief that only under a non-partisan system can our nation truely thrive.

Posted: February 9, 2007, 10:57 pm
by kyoukan
I forgot to mention. Wear Red Fridays was started in Canada in support of Canadian troops currently assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? The country who's oppresive government was harboring and supporting the terrorist organization that attacked you? The one who's mess you abandoned to NATO so you could cootch off on your little oil grab?

Posted: February 9, 2007, 11:30 pm
by Tyek
You want to support the troops?

Spend $30 at the grocery store and put together a care package. Mail it to someone you know over there. If you don't know anyone, ask someone you know who knows someone over there.

What's $30 out of your pocket?


Baby wipes
Socks
Duct tape
First aid stuff (bandaids, asprin, motrin, etc)
AA/AAA batteries
Writable CDs/DVDs
Tobacco products (even if someone does not smoke, these can always be traded)
Foot powder
Travel sized toiletries
Power bars
Pens, pencils, post-its, highlighters, etc
Great post!!!

Posted: February 10, 2007, 1:06 am
by Cartalas
kyoukan wrote:I forgot to mention. Wear Red Fridays was started in Canada in support of Canadian troops currently assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? The country who's oppresive government was harboring and supporting the terrorist organization that attacked you? The one who's mess you abandoned to NATO so you could cootch off on your little oil grab?
Well it Gives NATO something to do, Fuck we fund them anyways.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 1:48 am
by kyoukan
you don't fucking fund nato, you clueless barbarian. go back under your rock and try to invent more sexually violent insults to hurl ineffectively at me.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 2:08 am
by noel
kyoukan wrote:I forgot to mention. Wear Red Fridays was started in Canada in support of Canadian troops currently assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? The country who's oppresive government was harboring and supporting the terrorist organization that attacked you? The one who's mess you abandoned to NATO so you could cootch off on your little oil grab?
Yeah we're still there too. Thanks for playing.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 9:18 am
by Cartalas
kyoukan wrote:you don't fucking fund nato, you clueless barbarian. go back under your rock and try to invent more sexually violent insults to hurl ineffectively at me.
Yeah right!!
When you get off the Magic Tea Cup ride and step foot in the real world give me a call.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 10:37 am
by Al
kyoukan wrote:I forgot to mention. Wear Red Fridays was started in Canada in support of Canadian troops currently assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? The country who's oppresive government was harboring and supporting the terrorist organization that attacked you? The one who's mess you abandoned to NATO so you could cootch off on your little oil grab?
I know 2 people stationed in Afghanistan right now. While I suppose they could be there doing freelance military work, I highly doubt it. Canada has about 2500 troops over there. Hell, the French have almost 5000 troops on the ground in Afghanistan right now, so don't go saying the US "abandoned" the country when they still have nearly 20,000 troops in country.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 11:23 am
by Fairweather Pure
Al wrote:
kyoukan wrote:I forgot to mention. Wear Red Fridays was started in Canada in support of Canadian troops currently assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? The country who's oppresive government was harboring and supporting the terrorist organization that attacked you? The one who's mess you abandoned to NATO so you could cootch off on your little oil grab?
I know 2 people stationed in Afghanistan right now. While I suppose they could be there doing freelance military work, I highly doubt it. Canada has about 2500 troops over there. Hell, the French have almost 5000 troops on the ground in Afghanistan right now, so don't go saying the US "abandoned" the country when they still have nearly 20,000 troops in country.
We did abandon that country in every sense of the word. Even the most diehard neocon mouthpieces have admitted this. There isn't nearly enough troops to accomplish jack shit in Afganistan, and it's been that way for years. If we were actually accomplishing anything there, Fox News would be ramming it down our throats with God Bless America blairing during every newscast while 100 different red, white, and blue graphic logos run across the screen informing us of how great we are and how much the war isn't the largest financial, military, and political mistake in the history of history.

Even your Republican owners aren't dumb enough to say something like "we have a real troop presence in Afghanistan" because it's completely fucking false.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 1:34 pm
by Jarori Bloodletter
Lalanae wrote:Its so funny how how every debate about GW's failing policies always dissolves into "Oh yeah, well Clinton got a BJ and lied about it!" Really sad that that is all conservatives can come up with.

Lieing about a BJ and enacting policies that killed thousands and negatively impacted millions is SO similar :roll:
You fucking Clueless twit, go eat cheetoes.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 1:52 pm
by Al
Fairweather Pure wrote:
Al wrote:
kyoukan wrote:I forgot to mention. Wear Red Fridays was started in Canada in support of Canadian troops currently assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? The country who's oppresive government was harboring and supporting the terrorist organization that attacked you? The one who's mess you abandoned to NATO so you could cootch off on your little oil grab?
I know 2 people stationed in Afghanistan right now. While I suppose they could be there doing freelance military work, I highly doubt it. Canada has about 2500 troops over there. Hell, the French have almost 5000 troops on the ground in Afghanistan right now, so don't go saying the US "abandoned" the country when they still have nearly 20,000 troops in country.
We did abandon that country in every sense of the word. Even the most diehard neocon mouthpieces have admitted this. There isn't nearly enough troops to accomplish jack shit in Afganistan, and it's been that way for years. If we were actually accomplishing anything there, Fox News would be ramming it down our throats with God Bless America blairing during every newscast while 100 different red, white, and blue graphic logos run across the screen informing us of how great we are and how much the war isn't the largest financial, military, and political mistake in the history of history.

Even your Republican owners aren't dumb enough to say something like "we have a real troop presence in Afghanistan" because it's completely fucking false.
My Republican owners? Heh. If they're my owners, then they are yours as well. Name calling will get you no where.

While I would much rather have 150,000 troops on the ground in every front we are taking on, the fact of the matter is that the Taliban's resurgence is weak, at best. Even the most biased of estimates puts their total numbers at less than 3000 for the entire nation. To me, abandoning the country would be to pull out all forces that are tasked with engaging the enemy, leaving only a token force of a couple hundred to 'advise' the local forces. 20,000 people with guns is far more than an advisory force. The county I live in has less than 20,000 residents. Our entire armed forces consists of only 1.4 million, Guard and Reserve included, and we have people in nearly every nation on the globe. The majority of our military is stationed right here in the US, and you're saying 20,000 is nothing? We are there supplementing a military that is 1/3 the size of our entire military with 20,000 people.

Completely fucking false.... You're looking at a number and comparing it to another number, while leaving out the human aspect. We have less than twice that stationed in South Korea right now, and that number is at a post-armistice low, to hold back an estimated 700,000-1,000,000 North Korean soldiers. I don't see 20,000 against 3,000 as an abandoned post. I can't see it, regardless of how hard I try.

Posted: February 10, 2007, 3:47 pm
by kyoukan
That explains why NATO only has a hold on Kandahar and the rest of Affhanistan is currently under the command of a bunch of tin pot warlords and drug barons. You chucklefucks aren't even looking for bin Laden because the current administration knows if he's found Americans will lose interest and start to notice the fact that half their tax dollars are being shovelled into private corporations with lucrative defense contracts.

Every winter the US says "Oh there's only a handful of resistance left. There hasn't been an attack in weeks!" and every winter NATO commanders say "That's because it is too fucking cold to attack anything and they are all hiding in caves." And every spring time they come out and start launching mortars are NATO bases. Meanwhile, the US has reduced their troop levels again based on their 'estimates' of resistance (maybe they are using your estimates?)

Although I'm unsure why I bother educating any of you since you don't listen. As long as your "side" is in power they can do anything they want, and supporting the troops means slapping them on the back and telling them how they are all selfless heroes while you push them into a combat zone they shouldn't be in so they can get their fucking legs blown off by someone who is trying to resist a military occupation of their homeland.

Posted: February 11, 2007, 6:42 am
by Xanupox
Bin Laden has been dead for years, but the legend of him being alive is well worth keeping it going for Terror Alert Levels sake...

Afgan was hit because of the Unocal/CentGas Oil pipe that needed to be routed thru the country. It was a no-go under Taliban so we removed them, and then put in a gov that would support the pipeline.

Read this first: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oil.html

The next time you think Bin Laden and 911 was what it was made out to be, just wake the fuck up, realize that the Bush Empire created every fucking war we have gotten ourselves into in the last 20 years.... and that one word, is solely... OIL.

Posted: February 11, 2007, 10:46 am
by Al
kyoukan wrote:As long as your "side" is in power they can do anything they want
My "side" will never be in power as long as greed and selfishness rule. The last President who wasn't self-serving was Ford, and his selflessness lost him the only election he ran in.