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The Zune

Posted: September 14, 2006, 4:46 pm
by Animalor
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Coming in 3 colors at launch, White, Black and Brown(wtf were they thinking with this last one).

They say it's going to be available for the holiday but they don't talk about prices or date in this press release.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... ingPR.mspx

Posted: September 14, 2006, 4:57 pm
by Winnow
Nice 3" screen...dull iPod and vibrant Zen Vision M screens are 2.4"

I'll be interested in:

-battery life
-how well it handles zuncasts and zencasts (podcasts)
-codecs supported for audio and video
-UI ease of use (hopefully more Zen like than iPod)
-the PC interface and software


The flat rate Zune Pass sounds good

I'm looking forward to some hands on reviews of this.


Edit: found the file formats:
Zune software can import audio files in unprotected WMA, MP3, AAC; photos in JPEG; and videos in WMV, MPEG-4, H.264.

Posted: September 14, 2006, 5:07 pm
by Animalor
Winnow wrote:Nice 3" screen...dull iPod and vibrant Zen Vision M screens are 2.4"

I'll be interested in:

-battery life
-how well it handles zuncasts and zencasts (podcasts)
-codecs supported for audio and video
-UI ease of use (hopefully more Zen like than iPod)
-the PC interface and software


The flat rate Zune Pass sounds good

I'm looking forward to some hands on reviews of this.
I wouldn't be surprised if codecs would be the smae as is supported through Windows Media Center and the Urge(or whatever their online store is) service.

Interface/software - Odds are on Windows Media Player 11. The thing does Wi-Fi and I heard you could use that the copy your media to the unit through Windows Media Connect or other conduit.

I'm guessing that the wired connection will be standard USB.

Posted: September 14, 2006, 5:23 pm
by Winnow
Here's the press kit link with picks and somce docs:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... fault.mspx

man, that brown is fugly. Black and white look ok though.

Posted: September 15, 2006, 3:15 pm
by Animalor
About the format question. Here's an interview with J. Allard from Endgadget.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/the- ... ice-presi/
We have really pretty strong commitment to being compatible with your existing libraries. We know we're not the first player in this space, and that there's a ton of media out there, and so we put a bunch of codec support in there. You know, iTunes by default rips in AAC, there's a lot of AAC content out there, so we'll play AAC natively. MP3s, obviously. Windows Media files, obviously. The video resolution is 320 x 240, QVGA resolution. And so we'll do H.264 playback as well, because there's a lot of content out on the web for video iPods. Lots of DVD ripping software out there that encodes to those formats, so the most popular formats out there, whether it's MPEG-4 or H.264, we'll support those. So, we really are taking a relatively agnostic approach to different formats.

For us this is not a format play, we're not trying to tell consumers what format they have to keep their media in. We're trying to embrace the most popular formats out there. We won't have every codec, we won't have an extensible codec architecture, instead we want to make it really, really simple, and we're prioritizing the media that's out there and the media our consumers have.
This is just about the best decision they could've made for the player. support for iTunes, MP3 and Windows Media Formats as well.

There's no specific mention of DivX or Xvid. One would hope that they incorporate those as well.

Posted: September 15, 2006, 4:09 pm
by Winnow
Animalor wrote:About the format question. Here's an interview with J. Allard from Endgadget.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/the- ... ice-presi/
For us this is not a format play, we're not trying to tell consumers what format they have to keep their media in. We're trying to embrace the most popular formats out there. We won't have every codec, we won't have an extensible codec architecture, instead we want to make it really, really simple, and we're prioritizing the media that's out there and the media our consumers have.
This is just about the best decision they could've made for the player. support for iTunes, MP3 and Windows Media Formats as well.

There's no specific mention of DivX or Xvid. One would hope that they incorporate those as well.

Hello Apple? The company that constantly pwns you is once again showing you right up front what you fail to do...open format support.

On the flip side, he says they won't have an extensible codec architecture. I take that to mean that if Xvid and Divx aren't supported, they never will be. He says "the most popular formats out there. I'd say Divx for sure, and Xvid a little less, are very popular formats and their competition, Creative Zen, supports them so that will be disappointing if it isn't supported which appears might be the case.

Edit:

Of course, Creative and their series of Zen players still are the best for formats:
Like other Zen devices before it, the Vision:W will support multiple codecs: in this case, MPEG-1, -2, and -4 SP, along with DivX 4 and 5, XviD, and on top of that, TiVoToGo for transfer and display of files downloaded via TiVo. The Zen isn't locked into a single DRM scheme, enabling it to display a variety of videos that aren't just Hollywood films and repurposed reruns.

As for the #2 punch, Creative made sure the new Zen is fully compatible with Amazon's Unbox video download service. Already, Unbox is making available content from Paramount, 20th Century-Fox, Universal, and Warner Bros., while iTunes today is limited to offerings from its Pixar-pal Disney, and Sony remains locked tight with its PlayStation Portable.

Posted: September 18, 2006, 3:01 pm
by Animalor
Ommited Details or just not read through.

*edit* adding links in posts is a good thing!
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004910.php

Seems like the Zune won't be able to play media protected under Microsoft's Plays for Sure DRM and possibly won't be able to play the stuff you bought on iTunes as well.

Is the real bad guy here Microsoft or the DMCA that cripples customer's rights?

Posted: October 4, 2006, 5:27 pm
by Animalor
And here's what Zune's wireless won't do...

http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/02/zune ... s-for-now/
You can:

Can search for and find other Zunes nearby.
Can send songs / albums for the 3 x 3 trial. Songs past the three days / listens are deleted at next sync, but catalogued on your PC for record-keeping should you want to purchase them later. No word on whether Microsoft is going to keep track of which files are traded.
You can send and receive image files for "unlimited viewing." (Oh, so copyrighted images aren't worth DRMing?)


You can't:


Connect to the internet.
Download songs directly from the Zune store via WiFi.
Sync to your computer via WiFi.
I agree with EndGadget. Without those WiFi features, then the Zune is just another expensive Media Player.