VeeshanVault

Ok, so no one is going to agree with my thought process here... Im pretty used to that. But heres the situation.

I have been with my current company 41 of the last 60 months. Yea, Ive left A LOT! but I dont burn bridges... and I bring al ot to the table... Im a salesman, and Im very good at what I do.

So, out of the last 5 times Ive quit, I have always had this incredible offer.... $200k+ each time. It hasnt worked out yet, and its happened again. One of my best friends who had recently left the company in question is recruiting me to this job.

Right now I make close to six figures (or more than, depends on how my year works out)... which is comfortable living for me. However, when I was 20 I was making $120-130k, now, 9 years later... I feel like Ive gone backwards. This year if I continue will be the first of 6 that Ive broken 6 figures. While thats all fun and dandy... I work between 70-90hrs a week, all on a schedule I set for myself, but this job is 100% my life. The only time I talk to my friends is to discuss work related things. While awake, I work, when I sleep(if I can get to sleep) I think about work. And the only way to increase my income is to get busier(wtf?!)... I can see this job either killing me, or putting me in an intensive care ward in the next two years. But I love what I do....

So, I think Ive got a way to take this new job, keep my current job part time, and get the best of all worlds.... but my concern is going to be explaining to my current clients that I am no longer 24/7 available, how do you do that?... I dunno

Maybe this is just a rant and there isnt an answer...but fuck you then this is VV and I can type what I fucking want!

Send them emails. Emails usually work for sending messages!

That's the nature of sales and why I wouldn't want to be part of it.

Frankly, if I had to work 70-90 hours a week I would be completely miserable(actually I probably work more than that being a parent and all but that's a different story =P).

You work in IT sales by any chance that your income dropped like that for the last 6 years?

Regardless, do what's best for you. Working yourself to the hospital/grave isn't really gonna help your bottom line much.

work to live don't live to work.

Did that for a number of years, it's not worth it to me at all. It's a crappy life IMO. Expecially when you do something different for a bit and realize how much more there is to life when you've got the time to do something other than live, work and breathe your job 6-7 days a week.

I could double my income going back to what I used to do, high end security consulting. I loved it, but it's the crap that comes with it; long hours, travel etc... make it unacceptable to me at this point. I'd do it if I had to in order to pay the bills, but not long term again.

I don't care for 50% of my current job, don't like the company, my boss can be a serious weenie and the person 2 levels up from him sees no value in my work. He'd fire me if he could and makes sure I know that on a regular basis. I saved the company ~$2 million in direct costs last year, and roughly double that in indirect costs.

I go home every day, rarely work over 40 hours a week and never weekends. It's worth it.

*Edit - Going home being relative, I work from home again so switching rooms is more accurate.

you should stay in your current job until you hook seithyr up with a new tv.

really though, there are a lot of things to consider, like total compensation package after benefits, stock options, etc.

i like what i do a lot too, but i make it a point to never put in more than 40-44 hours a week. if i let myself, i could get way worked up and easily put in 60 hours a week but it's a balancing act. i've found that a lot of companies are fine with that as long as you deliver, but if you are willing to give them 80 hours a week, then they will bleed you dry and take your soul.

first and foremost you have to take care of yourself... that kind of stress can't be good on your body.

As above,

Work to live, don't live to work.

Why people spend all their good active years working their asses off for the old crotchety ones where you can't hold your bladder, let alone move without everything aching, never made sense to me.

Syenye wrote:you should stay in your current job until you hook seithyr up with a new tv.

YES! Also sleeping on my roommate's airmatress is TT, next time use the couch in the basement!

Like I said, I should be sticking around part time, so hooking someone up with a TV wont be a problem

Yea, that air matress sucked... I think I spent most of the night on the hardwood floor.

Siji wrote:As above,

Work to live, don't live to work.

Why people spend all their good active years working their asses off for the old crotchety ones where you can't hold your bladder, let alone move without everything aching, never made sense to me.

It really depends on the person. I couldn't do it. Due to my work, certain times of the year will require 60-70 work weeks. I certainly don't look forward to it. But some people, like my brother, are totally tuned in and do it for pleasure as well as the success. It drives him. Work is his life but he wouldn't want it any other way right now. He likes his $500 Knick seats, his penthouse in miami and his place in manhattan. However, he also likes talking about his work, getting clients, building his business, and the art of making deals as well.

You can always make more money...You can't make more time...

Tell your current clients that you need to make time for you so you availability to them is going to drop.

I don't care how much you bring to the table for the company you work for. I wouldn't hire you back 5 times after you left...no matter what the reason...unless you are walking on water and selling water to a drowning man.

Am I to assume you are a single man with no children? It's your thing if you want live for your job and spend every waking and dreaming moment focused on your job. Just remember these words of wisdom:

No one is ever lying on their deathbed thinking, "I wish I had spent more time at the office"

Get yourself a nice SALARY job that you know if you work hard or barely work enough to keep your job you still get paid regardless.

Yeah, by the hour folks CAN make more, but usually they get so obsessed with work... and money, they have no lives.

I'm making just over 50k a year right now, but for the past 14 years I have had more OFF time, than ON time in regards to work. Plenty of vactions, trips, gaming, working around the yard and in the woods behind my home.

Just my 1.5 cents, but it sounds like you have lost focus on the purpose of life... it isnt to work.

I had the choice of going into nursing or furthering my education with medical coding. A nurse makes more money, but within the next 3 years, I'll be coding from home. The difference in pay starts to narrow when you look at saving money on gas and not having to buy breakfast/lunch/dinner 5 days a week. The big one right now is daycare. We'll be having a child soon, and I would rather be a stay at home dad then drop my child off at daycare. Furthermor, if I were so inclined, I could 3rd party myself out to area hospitals for extra cash, and that is HUGE money. My boss paid off her house and bought a condo in Florida with 1 months work by being a 3rd party coder.

Anyway, less money, better life. Easy choice for me. Besides, I'm already very comforatable with my lifestyle. I don't need any more money. That's a difficult concept for some people to understand.

Unless you love your job, having a job that you can switch off like a light at the end of the day and not think once about until you return to work is the best option. Sales is the worst for that. All you do is worry about making your numbers and then at the end of the week/month/quarter, start stressing againg about it. Even on vacation, some sales people can't relax as their quotas still need to be met and the vacation just eats into their time to make their numbers.

Other things to avoid would be OT and being "on call".

No way would I be invloved with sales. It eats away your life. Get a job where you can delegate tasks then sit back and surf the net.

You work more than double the amount of time I do, and barely double my salary. I think you're fucking yourself.

Ok, so heres the update. Im in my last 4 days here and things have gone pretty well.

I put in my notice last week, but I didnt tell the company where I was really going. Im going to be working with 4 friends that Ive known and worked with for the past 5 years. All of us have been successful at the company Im leaving, but I think they would be bitter if they knew that the 5 most talented people they had working for them all went to another company.

The company is going to be paying me as a contractor for the next 6 months to make sure that all of my projects complete, they will also be letting me keep my company cell phone for 30 days of that. They have also let me know that the door here is always open.

The new job is selling timeshares, which while I consider it a bit of a shady sales job, I will be working 32'ish hours per week. Also in a sales team of 9 guys, 4 of them will be my friends and I. Only downside to the new job is 8am start time on the weekends, other than that its a cakewalk. Plus the perks of working in the hospitality industry (company is owned by Cendant Mobility). Cheap vacations, airfare, car rentals, ect.... Im excited.

Course, now Im trying to stay motivated for my last few days here..... but so far Im muddling through.

So folks actually buy into that Time Share stuff? Isn't it more expensive than just renting a place for 1 month each year (in different locations)?

Just seems like a hard sell, man. But gl

Its not a bad deal if you vacation every year. From what little I know (friend has been there two weeks) they have 80 resorts worldwide, and the ability to trade points to over 1000 resorts worldwide. A basic package is two weeks a year at any of the resorts.

Dont know enough to go into the pricing and such... but this office alone pulls in about $500k/wk in sales. Thats with financing though.

My dad and two uncles buy into various timeshares. They each vacation at least three times a year worldwide using them.

You must live/work in a high paying area of the country. That kind of money is really nice. I'd not sacrifice the time I spend with my wife and daughter to make it though. Now if I were single and young I'd be all over that.

Good luck with that Ransure! I could never work in an industry where my job was dependent on my success of selling anything.

Dude isn't Eric Estrada hocking Time Shares on late night TV now?...You are working for him aren't you?! You are so Ghey!