Statue of Libery v2.0

Siji · Post by **Siji** » July 4, 2006, 5:36 pm

http://www.bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&as=1265&dt=1

A church in Memphis, TN, is spending approximately $2.5 million to erect a 72-foot-tall version of the Statue of Liberty, only holding a cross instead of a torch and carrying tablets containing the 10 Commandments instead of the "Give me your poor, your tired, your hungry...."

It's really great that these 12,000 church members can't think of any better uses for 2.5 million dollars than building a statue commingling religion and nationalism. After all, there probably aren't any poor or sick people in Memphis to tend to, as Christ asked his followers to do.

Apostle Alton Williams -- the pastor of World Overcomers Outreach Ministries Church -- says people can't drive by the church without thinking of their relationship with God.

As Jesus said to his disciples in Matthew 25:

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me, *and instead you wasted your money on a giant, useless statue.'
Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

*not actually in the Bible, but maybe it should have been.

Get more info on the statue.

Because really.. 2.5m wouldn't be better spent anywhere else in this country.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » July 4, 2006, 6:07 pm

It's funny. Isn't there a religion that hangs out around that area that isn't a big fan of idolatry, or the worship of statues and symbols? Like, it's one of ten fairly major rules they're supposed to follow?

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » July 4, 2006, 6:10 pm

Niffoni wrote:It's funny. Isn't there a religion that hangs out around that area that isn't a big fan of idolatry, or the worship of statues and symbols? Like, it's one of ten fairly major rules they're supposed to follow?

That sounds like Witch talk to me...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 4, 2006, 6:53 pm

THROW HIM IN THE LAKE

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 4, 2006, 7:07 pm

LETS BUILD A BRIDGE OUT OF HIM

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 4, 2006, 8:05 pm

Although this is not the kind of thing my church would even dream of doing I'm certainly going to appreciate the symbolism.

Breagen · Post by **Breagen** » July 4, 2006, 9:36 pm

More important to fill your church with more people who will donate than it is to actually go out and help people, didn't you get the memo?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 4, 2006, 9:49 pm

Jesus Inc. strikes again!

Bin Laden aimed those jumbo jets WAY too far north.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 5, 2006, 6:05 pm

heh this is hypocrisy at its best, although i dont think anyone comes close to the catholics

with all the money they have in cathedrals/idols etc, you could end poverty in 2 small african nations

we all know jesus would have built a statue before helping others with over 2 mil!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 5, 2006, 6:12 pm

It's incredibly unchristian to spend such an amount on such a folly and anyone who supports something like this is no christian.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 5, 2006, 6:21 pm

not to mention such a statue outside any church is VERY tacky

Kithyen · Post by **Kithyen** » July 6, 2006, 12:00 am

Even giant jesus is screaming to the heavens over this...

http://home.fuse.net/JDR/solidrock.jpg

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » July 6, 2006, 3:48 am

Our Jesus' Penis is bigger than your Jesus' penis!

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » July 6, 2006, 10:08 am

My jaw dropped the first time I drove by that giant Jesus. It sits outside the Solid Rock Church (Evangelical). Its right along I-75 just north of cincinnati. Its a freakish thing. And damn it draws your attention.....which is not really a good thing when your driving 80mph down the highway.

Abelard · Post by **Abelard** » July 6, 2006, 12:17 pm

I think I'm going to be sick.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » July 6, 2006, 2:33 pm

Kithyen wrote:Even giant jesus is screaming to the heavens over this...

http://home.fuse.net/JDR/solidrock.jpg

Thats just Jesus after seeing Episode 3 and taking the piss out of Vader

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » July 6, 2006, 2:37 pm

I saw a 8 1\2 ft tall Jesus statue in the keys. It was underwater and covered in coral though...was pretty damn cool.

http://www.divespots.com/scuba/spotID-1/view.divespot

miir · Post by **miir** » July 6, 2006, 2:45 pm

I have a MC 900 Foot Jesus CD.

Janx · Post by **Janx** » July 6, 2006, 3:12 pm

I'll be sure to deface it soon as it goes up.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 6, 2006, 3:32 pm

Janx wrote:I'll be sure to deface it soon as it goes up.

Do paintball guns have that kind of range?

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 6, 2006, 3:40 pm

Metanis wrote:Although this is not the kind of thing my church would even dream of doing I'm certainly going to appreciate the symbolism.

Are you?

Praising idols a touch hypocritical, no? It's as if your idiocy writes itself out as comedy for all to enjoy.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » July 6, 2006, 6:15 pm

Chidoro wrote:
Metanis wrote:Although this is not the kind of thing my church would even dream of doing I'm certainly going to appreciate the symbolism.
Are you?

Praising idols a touch hypocritical, no? It's as if your idiocy writes itself out as comedy for all to enjoy.

Beat me to it Chid.....

The irony is found in the first commandment

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 7, 2006, 1:43 am

Both of you guys maybe need to spend a bit more time on English language reading comprehension.

One can appreciate the irony of a situation without taking ownership of same or resorting to idol worship.

The Freedom offered by Miss Liberty is obtained by the discipline to maintain rules and guidelines. The 10 Commandments were a good start on ethical rules for living and adherence to that notion helped America become "The Land of the Free". I'm not articulating very well but this version of Miss Liberty would have been entirely appropriate.

Meanwhile both of you intellectual superstars totally missed my point.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 7, 2006, 2:08 am

Blah blah fucking blah.

Fixed.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 7, 2006, 7:23 am

Metanis wrote:Both of you guys maybe need to spend a bit more time on English language reading comprehension.

One can appreciate the irony of a situation without taking ownership of same or resorting to idol worship.

The Freedom offered by Miss Liberty is obtained by the discipline to maintain rules and guidelines. The 10 Commandments were a good start on ethical rules for living and adherence to that notion helped America become "The Land of the Free". I'm not articulating very well but this version of Miss Liberty would have been entirely appropriate.

Meanwhile both of you intellectual superstars totally missed my point.

Exactly the same wheedling logic that says, "I don't make the kiddie pron, I just look at it".

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 7, 2006, 5:19 pm

Metanis wrote:Both of you guys maybe need to spend a bit more time on English language reading comprehension.

One can appreciate the irony of a situation without taking ownership of same or resorting to idol worship.

The Freedom offered by Miss Liberty is obtained by the discipline to maintain rules and guidelines. The 10 Commandments were a good start on ethical rules for living and adherence to that notion helped America become "The Land of the Free". I'm not articulating very well but this version of Miss Liberty would have been entirely appropriate.

Meanwhile both of you intellectual superstars totally missed my point.

even with that justification it doesnt change the fact that the statue would be VERY tacky in a white-trashy sort of way...seriously, who the hell else would built a christian statue of liberty,
at least if your going to waste over 2 mil on some christian idol, build a unique peice of art

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 7, 2006, 5:33 pm

Or dont spend 2 million on a christian idol and use it for more christian uses such as loving your fellow man?

That's the fucking thing about these christians, they aren't even christians, they are just self serving zealots.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » July 7, 2006, 7:28 pm

Organized religion is corrupt and pointless in my opinion. Glad to be agnostic.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 7, 2006, 9:00 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Metanis wrote:Both of you guys maybe need to spend a bit more time on English language reading comprehension.

One can appreciate the irony of a situation without taking ownership of same or resorting to idol worship.

The Freedom offered by Miss Liberty is obtained by the discipline to maintain rules and guidelines. The 10 Commandments were a good start on ethical rules for living and adherence to that notion helped America become "The Land of the Free". I'm not articulating very well but this version of Miss Liberty would have been entirely appropriate.

Meanwhile both of you intellectual superstars totally missed my point.
Exactly the same wheedling logic that says, "I don't make the kiddie pron, I just look at it".

I'm sorry, I fail to see the significance or relevance of your comment.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 7, 2006, 9:02 pm

Xzion wrote:
Metanis wrote:Both of you guys maybe need to spend a bit more time on English language reading comprehension.

One can appreciate the irony of a situation without taking ownership of same or resorting to idol worship.

The Freedom offered by Miss Liberty is obtained by the discipline to maintain rules and guidelines. The 10 Commandments were a good start on ethical rules for living and adherence to that notion helped America become "The Land of the Free". I'm not articulating very well but this version of Miss Liberty would have been entirely appropriate.

Meanwhile both of you intellectual superstars totally missed my point.
even with that justification it doesnt change the fact that the statue would be VERY tacky in a white-trashy sort of way...seriously, who the hell else would built a christian statue of liberty,
at least if your going to waste over 2 mil on some christian idol, build a unique peice of art

Learn to spell and use some punctuation. I fail to treat your posts seriously because you project an image of a flighty 5 year old.

Edit - Spelling

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 7, 2006, 9:16 pm

Nick wrote:Or dont spend 2 million on a christian idol and use it for more christian uses such as loving your fellow man?

You are probably the least qualified individual on this board to pass judgement regarding the spending practices of other people. That is true from a general sense but is blindingly obvious in the specific context of "loving your fellow man".

Nick wrote:That's the fucking thing about these christians, they aren't even christians, they are just self serving zealots.

I share your distaste of Christians in general but due to our lack of zealousness. A thousand years ago the Christians of the day had the guts to face down the Muslims. The Christians of today offer to hold their necks exposed for the blade and apologize for bloodying it.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 7, 2006, 10:03 pm

It's a pity innocent people get killed when such undeserving pieces of shit like yourself walk the Earth.

dibit_eq · Post by **dibit_eq** » July 7, 2006, 10:41 pm

Metanis wrote:I share your distaste of Christians in general but due to our lack of zealousness. A thousand years ago the Christians of the day had the guts to face down the Muslims. The Christians of today offer to hold their necks exposed for the blade and apologize for bloodying it.

I think one might even say this holding our necks exposed is VERY christianly. At least if you follow the "turn the other cheek" pacifist nature of Jesus, and not the war popes of the middle ages. I guess it's just easier to hate in the name of god though, instead of forgiving others.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 8, 2006, 2:15 am

dibit_eq wrote:
Metanis wrote:I share your distaste of Christians in general but due to our lack of zealousness. A thousand years ago the Christians of the day had the guts to face down the Muslims. The Christians of today offer to hold their necks exposed for the blade and apologize for bloodying it.
I think one might even say this holding our necks exposed is VERY christianly. At least if you follow the "turn the other cheek" pacifist nature of Jesus, and not the war popes of the middle ages. I guess it's just easier to hate in the name of god though, instead of forgiving others.

I knew somebody would throw this tired old misrepresentation out for consumption. Jesus wasn't a pacifist and he surely didn't stand for evil such as that which is being done currently in the name of Islam. There's a huge difference between being peaceful and gentle versus being a pacifist. There's plenty of evidence he expected people to take a stand against injustice and cruelty.... and not a passive stand.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 8, 2006, 2:26 am

How long until you people realize that you're trying to argue with dolts that think a 72 foot tall, 2.6 million dollar replica of the statue of liberty holding a chritian iconography is a smashing idea?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 8, 2006, 4:44 am

Metanis wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Metanis wrote:Both of you guys maybe need to spend a bit more time on English language reading comprehension.

One can appreciate the irony of a situation without taking ownership of same or resorting to idol worship.

The Freedom offered by Miss Liberty is obtained by the discipline to maintain rules and guidelines. The 10 Commandments were a good start on ethical rules for living and adherence to that notion helped America become "The Land of the Free". I'm not articulating very well but this version of Miss Liberty would have been entirely appropriate.

Meanwhile both of you intellectual superstars totally missed my point.
Exactly the same wheedling logic that says, "I don't make the kiddie pron, I just look at it".
I'm sorry, I fail to see the significance or relevance of your comment.

You fail a lot, I'm sure.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » July 8, 2006, 11:57 am

Wow...did you honestly suggest that we "took on the Muslims" a thousand years ago, and that the situation is similar to today? Please, dear lord, tell me you were joking. Do you have any...any...idea at all what the crusades were about? Please tell me. Because the way you spoke earlier, you were comparing muslims of 1000 AD to Muslims of today. So please, enlighten us as to how Christians took on the Muslims back in the day, and tell me how it is the same as today. If you answer with anything less than a total retraction of what you said earlier, you are hereby no longer allowed to hint at historical knowledge in the future.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 8, 2006, 5:17 pm

Kaldaur wrote:Wow...did you honestly suggest that we "took on the Muslims" a thousand years ago, and that the situation is similar to today? Please, dear lord, tell me you were joking. Do you have any...any...idea at all what the crusades were about? Please tell me. Because the way you spoke earlier, you were comparing muslims of 1000 AD to Muslims of today. So please, enlighten us as to how Christians took on the Muslims back in the day, and tell me how it is the same as today. If you answer with anything less than a total retraction of what you said earlier, you are hereby no longer allowed to hint at historical knowledge in the future.

Here's a good reference for you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

The immediate cause of the First Crusade was Alexius I's appeal to Pope Urban II for mercenaries to help him resist Muslim advances into territory of the Byzantine Empire

As to current plans... http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-terrorism.html

The principal stated aims of al-Qaeda are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia; destroy Israel; and topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East. Bin Laden has also said that he wishes to unite all Muslims and establish, by force if necessary, an Islamic nation adhering to the rule of the first Caliphs.

The fastest growing segment of many European populations is Muslim. Witness the recent events over the cartoons of Muhammed and YOU tell me that these populations are peaceful.

No I don't think the situation of 1000 years ago is similar to today. In some respects it's worse today because so many people don't believe that anything is worth fighting about.

I think Christianity will prevail but there are terrible battles ahead.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 8, 2006, 5:20 pm

Metanis wrote: The fastest growing segment of many European populations is Muslim. Witness the recent events over the cartoons of Muhammed and YOU tell me that these populations are peaceful.

I'm sorry, which muslim country is currently occupying a sovereign nation militarily in order to isntall a government friendly to them and to exploit their natural resources?

Which one is it that is doing that?

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » July 8, 2006, 5:22 pm

We actually should be trying to get rid of the original statue of liberty. After all why would we want something the French gave us?

"only holding a cross instead of a torch and carrying tablets containing the 10 Commandments instead of the "Give me your poor, your tired, your hungry...."

It's really great that these 12,000 church members can't think of any better uses for 2.5 million dollars than building a statue commingling religion and nationalism. After all, there probably aren't any poor or sick people in Memphis to tend to, as Christ asked his followers to do. "

The 2.5 million dollar replicated statue almosts mocks the poor people of Memphis by taking out the "give me your poor, your tired, your hungry" and sticking in the 10 commandments.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 8, 2006, 5:28 pm

Markulas wrote:We actually should be trying to get rid of the original statue of liberty. After all why would we want something the French gave us?

The French back then were ok. Ben Franklin hung out with them so they couldn't have been all bad. And Boris Diaw...oh nm.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 8, 2006, 7:10 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Metanis wrote: The fastest growing segment of many European populations is Muslim. Witness the recent events over the cartoons of Muhammed and YOU tell me that these populations are peaceful.
I'm sorry, which muslim country is currently occupying a sovereign nation militarily in order to isntall a government friendly to them and to exploit their natural resources?

Which one is it that is doing that?

None thanks to the United States.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 8, 2006, 7:55 pm

Cartalas wrote:None thanks to the United Nations.

I assume that's what you meant, so I corrected it for you.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 8, 2006, 11:37 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Cartalas wrote:None thanks to the United Nations.
I assume that's what you meant, so I corrected it for you.

How silly of me that Bastion of power!!!

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 9, 2006, 1:54 am

kyoukan wrote:
Cartalas wrote:None thanks to the United Nations.
I assume that's what you meant, so I corrected it for you.

Another example of a kyoukan-fact. IIRC we went in despite the UN not with the UN.

In other words... the wimps came in after the fact.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 9, 2006, 2:52 am

the gulf war took place despite the UN?

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 9, 2006, 10:13 am

kyoukan wrote:the gulf war took place despite the UN?

Hrmmm... Yeah, that could apply, however, the United States did undertake most of the fighting and provided more military for that than the rest of the other countries combined, so your 'fact' is still arguable.

U.S. troops represented about 74% of the combined force....

The United States, on the other hand had 3,400 tanks, 3,700 artillery pieces, 4,000 armored personnel carriers, 2,000 helicopters and about 2,600 aircraft.

Troop deployment

* United States United States: 550,000 troops
* Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia: 118,000 troops
* Turkey Turkey: 100,000 troops
* United Kingdom United Kingdom: 43,000 troops Operation Granby
* Egypt Egypt: 40,000 troops
* United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates: 40,000 troops
* Oman Oman: 25,500 troops
* France France: 18,000 troops Opération Daguet
* Syria Syria: 17,000 troops
* Kuwait Kuwait: 11,000 troops
* Bangladesh Bangladesh: 6,000 troops
* Canada Canada: 4,500 troops
* Nigeria Nigeria: 1,500 troops
* Bahrain Bahrain: 400 troops
* Morocco Morocco: 300 troops
* Netherlands Netherlands: 200 troops
* Honduras Honduras: 150 troops

Information taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Air_campaign

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » July 9, 2006, 1:16 pm

Yes Metanis, when it comes to history, please quote Wiki-myfucking13yearbrotheruploadedthat-pedia. Get a clue, the Byzantine Empire was never a friend to the western Roman empire. They never directly fought, but eastern europe was a political battleground between those two powers. The Crusades weren't about saving the Roman's noble Christian brothers to the east. It was about the Pope trying to unify all the new monarchs under the banner of Christianity so that the Pope would be the true power behind the new feudal system that was just beginning to emerge.
The Muslim advance against the Byzantine Empire? How about the two or three hundred years previous where the Muslims had been conquered by the Byzantines? The territory of present day Turkey, as far east as current day Pakistan, those are all Muslims, but under the banner of the Byzantine Empire they were forced to become orthodox Christians during this time period. So when you say that the Muslims were attacking the Byzantines, you're right. They were trying to take back the land that the Byzantines conquered from them three hundred years previous.

The Crusades were about territory grab and a chance to plunder the east. It was a Pope's attempt to bring together the new powers in western europe and make them reliant upon a papacy that sent very few troops to the Crusades. With much of the power from western europe gone to "answer the call of god", the pope would have ample opportunity to position his people in high places and take control of key positions and factions in Europe.

Don't quote Wikipedia again please.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 9, 2006, 4:09 pm

And why should any other country fight the Iraq war? You were the ones who had something most to lose. It doesn't make the UN wimps just because they don't give a fuck about your wars.

I'll remind you you had been supporting Saddam for up to a decade before you turned on him. Your general lack of continuity (except of course towards the Saudi's) is half the reason you end up fighting retarded wars where your innocent men go to die, such as Vietnam or Iraq.

Wimps? It's called having a fucking brain. History shows that beyond a shadow of a fucking doubt.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 9, 2006, 4:34 pm

Nick wrote:And why should any other country fight the Iraq war? You were the ones who had something most to lose. It doesn't make the UN wimps just because they don't give a fuck about your wars.

I'll remind you you had been supporting Saddam for up to a decade before you turned on him. Your general lack of continuity (except of course towards the Saudi's) is half the reason you end up fighting retarded wars where your innocent men go to die, such as Vietnam or Iraq.

Wimps? It's called having a fucking brain. History shows that beyond a shadow of a fucking doubt.

Yeah, people/countries coming in on the coat tails of others then trying to claim some measure of credit = wimps/ass kissers or whatever other derogatory comment you want to make. They all apply.

As far as supporting others... Things change... people supported President Bush and now some of the same people don't.

Other countries supported the United States in the past and now they don't.

Big freaking deal. That's how politics work.