VeeshanVault

Its a 2 hour video.

Try to make sure you have the time to watch it all before you start. If you feel what you see has interest, pass it along to others. If you think its a bullshit, well, then thats your right too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ose+change

http://www.loosechange911.com/

Regardless, the video is getting attention. The more people that see it the better, ignorance is the true enemy.

thxchainletter

Just watched this with a friend - it's interesting, and although I have seen several (much shorter) conspiracy videos, this one added a bit of new information. Unfortunately, I thought the narrator acted a bit amateur/childish at times, but overall did a fairly good job.

"I called <the flight people> and asked about the construction of their planes buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut ....... they said they don't give them out due to 9/11"

Overall, I'd recommend watching it. It's got some boring parts but what good documentary doesn't? Even if you have personally pushed any conspiracy ideas away, this still makes you think. The way I've always looked at it - there's so many unexplained details and inaccuracies with 9/11 - from the complete vaporization of planes (wtf?) to the lack of complete damage to the pentagon, and the unexplained explosions throughout the two towers, not to mention the obvious explosions several floors down during the collapses.

ignorance is the true enemy

Cute.

I thought the Pope was the real enemy?

I've seen enough of these conspiracy documentaries to be convinced that the building collapses of the WTC's and Building 7 weren't caused solely by the impact of the two planes. The arguments seem overwhelming in the cases of the building collapses that it just wouldn't happen as officially explained. There are plenty of other compelling cases that ask legitimate questions that may eventually be answered.

Anyone who buys into the official story as presented by our goverment should be ashamed of themselves. Beyond that, I have no clue what's actually going on. I wouldn't begin to know where to point fingers.

I just hope the world remains livable for another 40-50 years or so although we still need to get by 21 December 2012!

masteen wrote:I thought the Pope was the real enemy?

FFS Mast, now he'll have to have you killed.

I watched this last night, and for someone like me who hasn't seen other conspiracy-like videos, this definitely had some compelling arguments. But, it also had times where I thought it was trying to drive home a point that wasn't worth focusing on. Overall, I can't say that it was a waste of an hour and a half.

Conspiracy theories are always fun. But they're really fishing on some of this stuff


The comparison between an empty B-25 colliding with the Empire State Building at 170-200 MPH and 767's bloated with fuel for a coast-to-coast trip colliding with the towers at 490-560 MPH is a stretch. The fire in the Empire State Building was extinguished in 40 minutes. Towers one and two burned for 102 and 56 minutes, respectively, completely uncontrolled.

The construction of the buildings is also completely different. At the time the Empire State Building was designed, engineers built up by piling massive amounts of thick steel framing and masonry into the sky. Its as solid as a rock. The Towers, like most modern buildings, relied intensely on a core of supporting columns, many of which were severed or damaged on impact.

As for building 7.. it was burning when Tower 1 collapsed at 8:46 AM. It collapsed itself at 5:20 PM. The NYPD made the decision to let the evacuated building burn as they focused their efforts on the main towers. So what happens when any building burns absolutely uncontrolled for that long? It fuckin' falls over.

cadalano wrote:Towers one and two burned for 102 and 56 minutes, respectively, completely uncontrolled.

so you decided to ignore the portion where firemen on the 75th floor had a plan in the go to put out the fire ?

So what happens when any building burns absolutely uncontrolled for that long? It fuckin' falls over

and the examples of buildings burning for hours on end and not collapsing escaped you as well.

but then if you can watch that video and still be rock firm on what the goverment has feed you, you're too blind to be argueing with.

i WANT to believe

Yeah, it's so unreasonable that they'd fall down after having a couple thousand pounds of modern jet fuel burning at their core for 40 minutes.

Even Howard Hughes would call this theory paranoid.

The aircraft crashing into the towers 1 & 2, is not the reason they collapsed. There was no doubt controlled demolitions planted up the entire core of the structure. When you watch the videos of the collapse, you can see dozens of "plumes or squibs" of smoke/debris that blast out from the sides of the buildings well before the collapsing layers even reach those floors.

This is not caused by pressure of floors above collapsing down. It only occurs on select windows, from within the rooms that the cutter charges were located.

These plumes/squibs are even evident on building 7.

http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/wtc7-divx3.avi

Watch this video of building 7 collapsing. Do you see any raging fires? I do not. Look on the right face of the builidng. Watch the windows. Watch how they all blow out, in sequence representing internal exlosions.

Notice that for every window that breaks, a squib of fine dust is blown out, that detonation residue is still lingering in the air, as the mass of the building falls down behind it.

Now, watch the top left of the roof. Notice how the roof, breaks in the center to allow the sides to fall into its own foot print.

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem2/91 ... thouse.wmv

The top left is a penthouse, notice on the first core detonation of building 7, the whole penthouse collapses into the structure... yet there was no fire at all. The smoke you see if coming up from the rubble of towers 1-2 behind it.

This is a zoom in of right top corner of building 7, see the bottom to top flow of detonations? the squibs popping out of the building?

http://www.dzgraphics.com/dzg20/911/WTC7/squibview.mpg

Also the building, all three buildings fell.. at freefall speeds. There was zero loss of fall time. If you believe the official story that the tops fell into the floors below, and the weight caused a pancake effect, well that is impossible due to the speed at which it all came down. There is no taking into account linear momentum. If they buildings would have collapsed due to the weight from floors above falling onto them, then each fall would have been segmented with brief steps of collapse. However what we all see is the entire structure just sinks into the ground like it is made of paper. Or... like all the core supports were blasted to bits, and then the entire thing sank into itself.

Lastly, compare for yourself.

http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm

Look at the bottom row, 3rd from the left. Southwark Towers.

masteen wrote:Yeah, it's so unreasonable that they'd fall down after having a couple thousand pounds of modern jet fuel burning at their core for 40 minutes.

Even Howard Hughes would call this theory paranoid.

JP-8 or Jet A-1 fuel is a kerosene-based fuel. That means, high flash point, fast burn. The bulk of the fuel that spilled into the towers would have burnt out within 15 minutes if that. The remaining fires were just materials from inside the towers themselves.

There are pictures of people standing in the holes that were created by the aircrafts penetration into the towers. If people can stand in those areas, then it is obvious there was no fire going on anymore.

Further more http://www.letsroll911.net/images/4.bmp
You can see people standing in the impact area,... yeah raging fires.

masteen wrote:Yeah, it's so unreasonable that they'd fall down after having a couple thousand pounds of modern jet fuel burning at their core for 40 minutes.

Even Howard Hughes would call this theory paranoid.

Did you even watch the video or are you just throwing out bullshit? The temperature of jetfuel and the rated temperature of the metal in the TWC's doesn't add up to a collapse...especially in a pancake demolition fashion...exactly the same for both buildings. As for building seven, the other video I posted on this message board a year ago goes over in detail how HUGE the beams were that were used in building seven...building seven received secondary damage, not a direct hit and was built as solid as they come. It collapsed as well in a pancake fashion into nice little peices.

In Xanu's posted video alone, there are countless examples of major skyscraper fires and not one collapsed...except for one where the top ten floors collapsed but not the rest of the building. This particular video provided some interesting zoom-ins on the little explosions lower in the WTC towers as they were collapsing along with many witnesses describing secondary explosions.

There is a tendancy when watching these videos to pick out one questionable thing and discount the entire case being made. I take the opposite approach. The explanation for the collapsing towers is clearly in question. The rest of the arguments are worth looking into but need more research. I ignore the ultimate conclusions that these people come up with as that's mostly speculation and really only takes the focus off what's important here in determining if the official explanation is full of holes.

I'm confused. People actually think that we blew them up using explosives?
That cant be right. Noone is that naive/dumb/gullible.

I mean my god the man hours required to rig something like that, much less the thought of keeping it secret...well I guess if ...no I got nothing.

I'm just... winded I cant even believe there are people that would fall for something so ignorant. Its like those "plausible" things they do on mythbusters where you can see where the lesser intelligent people might believe there were some truth to an urban legend/myth but absoulely no practicality to it.

Xanupox wrote: These plumes/squibs are even evident on building 7.

I dont understand this term "plumes/squibs". That makes no sense.
Demo 101
Control pannel/board -> Det Cord runs to ->Squibs which are inserted into -> Det charge / Cutter charge or whatever your primary charge is.

A squib is just a very small charge..think blasting caps inserted into dynamite from old movies.

Yes everything said is plausible...right up until you apply it to the real world.

Of course that isnt plausible given the characteristics of det cord...although this would only be possible with det cord.
Lemme guess they pulled out all the stops and made custom shielded mild det cord rigs for this?

Garbage.

sheep.

Nick wrote:sheep.

Lemming

careful Sendarie, or the black helicopters will come take you away because the secret liberal cabal is planning on selling the US to the United Nations and turning all americans into faggot communist gays which is why they blew up the twin towers with fireworks they stole from the 4th of July celebrations of TRUE patriots and david chapelle is being hounded by oprah winfrey and the rest of the secret black cabal for exposing the real truth behind the creation of AIDS and princess Diana was killed because she found out that the british royals are actually gray aliens that have been controlling the catholic church since 1422 and invented the magic bullets that JFK used to get himself killed with because Jackie was impregnated by the same aliens and had been taken over by their mind control and would expose the fact that it was impossible to actually put a man on the moon which was faked in a studio in burbank ca. and the fluoride additives in the water was early experimental mind control on part of the cia/nsa cooperative controlled by the pentaveret: the queen of england, the rothschilds, the gettys, the pope and the waltons (who took over after col. sanders) among their top agents are george w bush and kris kristofferson both part reptile part grey alien .

If this video is implying what sendarie says, about the towers being blown up intentionally by us, I don't even want to watch it. If you honestly believe that you are so far beyond hope its not even worth discussing this or any other subject with you.

There is still a million dollars out there to anyone that can build a computer generated model using the twin towers and 2 airplanes that causes a collapse that follows the laws of science.... that money has been out there for along long time.

I'll add do I know who set off those charges, no I sure as fuck don't, would I put it past the govt...no... would I put it past Bin Hidin no I wouldn't.

But those Buildings came down far to perfect to be a random collapse... making buildings fall that neatly requires OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of skill, no way it went 3 for 3 on chance alone.

I do not and will not believe the govt had anything to do with it until I hear whoever was involed admit to it, and see it on tape at the same time.

And if it was Bin Ladin I would be really interested din finding out how his people got all the explosives planted in precise positions and so on and so forth without being noticed at all.

Xanupox wrote: There are pictures of people standing in the holes that were created by the aircrafts penetration into the towers. If people can stand in those areas, then it is obvious there was no fire going on anymore.

Further more http://www.letsroll911.net/images/4.bmp
You can see people standing in the impact area,... yeah raging fires.

Yeah shit youre right. I do see them right there underneath the billowing clouds of.... non-fire related air particulate?.... okay, maybe there was a smokebomb factory on this floor? *cough*


http://www.dentontaylor.com/wtc/fire.jpg

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/ima ... n_fire.jpg

Nope no fires here

Ok I do understand how you guys could fall for this.

Its not possible this was a settup demolition on anyones part as described here.
You guys are going with too little information on one side of the argument and an abundance of misinformation and "makes sense" "looks right to me" jumping to conclusions on the other side.

I'll try to form a nice well explained list of why it wouldnt work in a few. There are just so many overwhelming reasons this couldnt happen. Logistics being a huge one, security being a close second but overwhelming first place after the fact and physics for third.

Drolgin A++.
Would be fun to watch the "believers" wearing the tin foil hats.

edit: I'm curious. On a side note what do you guys believe happend to the flight that crashed in the field in PA?

So what happened in the North Tower? Ask Willie Rodriguez.

Fuckin' Willie the Janitor is your deep throat? Well fuck everything, get the real story from the subject matter expert!

what the fuck is this shit:



shoulda gone for the lone gunmen look:

I've been on top of that Sheraton near the Pentagon in the video to watch 4th of July fireworks a bunch of times!

Again, ignore the motives and observe how the buildings collapsed. Why speculate on who exactly is responsible before determining if the evidence provides the possibility for internal detonations?

This video alone has countless many people referring to secondary explosions and camera evidence of possible secondary explosions.

If I was in the flaming mood, I would have made a post along the lines of Drolgin's as it's easy to do when anything on this magnitude is questioned.

You don't have to be a nut to have some serious questions about various aspects of the events of 911. I suppose if you take everything for granted, it makes life easier. How can you accept the government's explanation of the events of 911 without question and then not accept the same lame reasons for our current presence in the Middle East? You can't have it both ways! We need oil, the extremely rich people want to be even richer, and the general population won't accept an invasion of a foreign country simply to secure our oil supply and make the defense companies wealthy. "Inside job" could mean anything. I'm more interested in what can be observed, not the reasons for it. Ignoring all the questions surrounding the Pentagon where there are several security video tapes that could put an end to speculation on what hit the pentagon...it's absurd for the government to release five frames that don't show anything except for an explosion. (and the characteristics of the explosion raise even more questions).

I'd keep an open mind and when it comes to 911 and at least consider alternate possibilites. You don't have to jump to conclusions to ask questions.

Someone explain these things.

How did 2 planes vaporize?
How did 3 buildings fall perfectly at freefall speed?
Where are the engines from the planes?
Where is the impact in the Pentagon matching a plane?
How come noone can build a model where the towers fall the way they did without the use of additional explosives?

Winnow I'm not jumping to any conclusions at all.

Hell if I know what happened exactly that day but based on information I do know, I do NOT think this was a demo job. I'm basing this on as objective a view as can be had based on my experience in this field. Over a decade of military service all of which is in munitions/explosives.

Something like this would take months of planning alone and so many man hours and logistics it is 100% non feasible. You would have to have TEAMS of men and a job this size would require so much material and equipment nevermind all the knotching and cutting torches would be needed to prepare the beams.
You dont just strap a charge onto a metal beam like that, fire it off and have it cut it in half. Thats not how it works.
Now assume there was no knotching. In that case the amount of material needed to level buildings of that size would have taken out half of the city if not more.
As for the Pentagon...thats just a joke. I'll let you guys do the research. Try and find out exactly how a missile warhead blows up. I wont/cant go into too much detail but that is as weak a story as there is.

cadalano wrote:shoulda gone for the lone gunmen look

Tinfoil hats would have been more appropriate.

OMG CDI was in on it!

where are unwarrented NSA wiretaps/tracking cookies when you need them?

cadalano wrote:Yeah shit youre right. I do see them right there underneath the billowing clouds of.... non-fire related air particulate?.... okay, maybe there was a smokebomb factory on this floor? *cough*


http://www.dentontaylor.com/wtc/fire.jpg

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/ima ... n_fire.jpg

Nope no fires here

He never said that there were no fires. He said there wouldn't have been 40 minutes of jet-fueled fires. That shit burns up long before then, and a normal fire is nowhere near the intensity needed to melt steel.

People claiming not to even watch it because even letting the notion of it not being what you were told are just... well I feel sorry for you. I don't claim to know what happened, but there's definitely some unanswered questions. The pentagon and pittsburgh hits are extremely suspicious.

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:careful Sendarie, or the black helicopters will come take you away because the secret liberal cabal is planning on selling the US to the United Nations and turning all americans into faggot communist gays which is why they blew up the twin towers with fireworks they stole from the 4th of July celebrations of TRUE patriots and david chapelle is being hounded by oprah winfrey and the rest of the secret black cabal for exposing the real truth behind the creation of AIDS and princess Diana was killed because she found out that the british royals are actually gray aliens that have been controlling the catholic church since 1422 and invented the magic bullets that JFK used to get himself killed with because Jackie was impregnated by the same aliens and had been taken over by their mind control and would expose the fact that it was impossible to actually put a man on the moon which was faked in a studio in burbank ca. and the fluoride additives in the water was early experimental mind control on part of the cia/nsa cooperative controlled by the pentaveret: the queen of england, the rothschilds, the gettys, the pope and the waltons (who took over after col. sanders) among their top agents are george w bush and kris kristofferson both part reptile part grey alien .

Well guessed sir...of course now you will have to disappear...

vv-love

The Leezards

I dont need to watch a 2 hour long stream of bullshit compiled by 3 dudes in glow in the dark t-shirts. Its because my MIND is closed off to the TRUTH, maaaan.

I mean what.. is this discussion limited to information that exists only in the obviously biased world portrayed in this video.. am I breaking the rules or something?




OMIGOSH CRUISE MISSILE


Eyewitness Accounts Describe The Moment of the Crash
Of the over 100 eyewitness accounts in Eric Bart's compilation, many describe a perception that the large jet crashed into the Pentagon's wall, although many add that the event seemed surreal or movie-like.

Steve Anderson -- from 19th floor office in USA TODAY building in Arlington
Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
http://www.jmu.edu/alumni/tragedy%5Fres ... sages.html
Jeff and Deb Anlauf -- from 14th floor of Sheraton Hotel, 1.6 miles from explosion
Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon).
http://www.leadertelegram.com/specialre ... l.asp?ID=7
Gary Bauer -- in car just past exit on 395
We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn't until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/200 ... 1bauer.htm
Mickey Bell -- near trailer in construction zone outside Pentagon
The jet came in from the south and banked left as it entered the building, narrowly missing the Singleton Electric trailer and the on-site foreman, Mickey Bell. Bell had just left the trailer when he heard a loud noise.
http://www.necanet.org/whats_new/report.cfm?ID=1003
Sean Boger -- from heliport control tower
I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building. It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagra ... 049-1.html
Donald R. Bouchoux -- in car on Washinton Blvd along side of Pentagon
The aircraft crossed about 200 yards [should be more than 150 yards from the impact] in front of me and impacted the side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to the right when the shock wave hit.
web.lexis-nexis.com/universe/document?_m=62da82aa3e5930765ef894e69a06ff4e&_docnum=8&wchp=dGLbVlz-lSlzV&_md5=f11fb03a759fc2478b5de7c9cdf9e780
James R. Cissell -- sitting in traffic on interstate by Pentagon
In the next blink of an eye, he realized he had a front-row seat to history, as the plane plowed into the Pentagon, sending a fireball exploding into the air and scattering debris - including a tire rim suspected of belonging to the airplane - past his car.
http://www.cincypost.com/attack/cissel091201.html
Mike Dobbs -- looking out window from Pentagon's outer ring
It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion. I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running.
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/ ... cene.shtml
Penny Elgas --
The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building.
americanhistory.si.edu/september11/collection/supporting.asp?ID=30
Bruce Elliot -- about to board shuttle in south parking lot
I felt it was going to ram the Pentagon ... the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire, which may have slowed it down a bit before it crashed into the building and burst into flames.
http://www.thehawkeye.com/features/911/IdxThur.html%20
Kim Flyler -- in car in Pentagon parking lot
At that moment I heard a plane and then a loud cracking noise.... Right before the plane hit the building, you could see the silhouettes of people in the back two rows. You couldn't see if they were male or female, but you could tell there was a human being in there.

Joe Harrington -- in parking lot outside Pentagon
About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd., It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagra ... 380-1.html
Albert Hemphill -- from window of Naval Annex
He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5. What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom.
lists.travellercentral.com/pipermail/tml/2001-September/013153.html
Jerry Henson -- from office in Pentagon (?)
The impact was quite clear. But it wasn't what you would think. It was just a loud kathump. Just a loud noise.
http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/america_at ... 76,00.html
Terrance Kean -- from nearby 14-story apartment building
I saw this very, very large passenger jet. It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... -2001Sep11
William Lagasse -- from Citgo gas station near Pentagon
... he noticed a jet fly in low. He watched as the plane plowed into the Pentagon. Initially, he thought the plane was about to drop on top of him -- it was that close.
206.181.245.163/ebird/e20011108vivid.htm
Lincoln Liebner -- running toward a Pentagon entrance
I was close enough that I could see through the windows of the airplane, and watch as it as it hit. There was no doubt in my mind what I was watching. Not for a second. It was accelerating. It was wheels up, flaps up, engines full throttle.
http://www.theosuobserver.com/main.cfm/ ... 54846.html
Lincoln Liebner -- running toward a Pentagon entrance
I was about 100 yards away. You could see through the windows of the aircraft. I saw it hit. The plane came in hard and level and was flown full throttle into the building, dead center mass. The plane completely entered the building. I got a little repercussion, from the sound, the blast.
http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?a ... issueID=38
David Marra -- on an 1-395 exit just west of Pentagon
The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground. There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... -4,00.html
Oscar Martinez --
I saw a big jet flying close to the building coming at full speed. There was a big noise when it hit the building.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/11_APdc.html
Father Stephen McGraw -- on Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard
The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building. My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagra ... 772-1.html
William Middleton -- from is street sweeper in Arlington Cemetary
... the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-01/12-20-01/a02wn018.htm
Christopher Munsey --
The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments exploded in a ground-shaking "whoomp" as it appeared to hit the side of the Pentagon. A huge flash of orange flame and black smoke poured into the sky.
http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1- ... 467181.php
Vin Narayanan -- sitting in traffic adjacent to Pentagon
The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me as it headed straight at the Pentagon. The windows were dark on American Airlines Flight 77 as it streaked toward its target, only 50 yards away. The hijacked jet slammed into the Pentagon at a ferocious speed. But the Pentagon's wall held up like a champ. It barely budged as the nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before exploding into a massive fireball.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... son.htm%20
John O'Keefe --
The eeriest thing about it, was that it was like you were watching a movie. There was no huge explosion, no huge rumbling on ground, it just went 'pfff'. It wasn't what I would have expected for a plane that was not much more than a football field away from me
http://www.nylawyer.com/news/01/09/091201l.html
Mary Ann Owens -- driving on road next to Pentagon
Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon. Still gripping the wheel, I could feel both the car and my heart jolt at the moment of impact. An instant inferno blazed about 125 yards from me.
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news ... ies.0.html
Mary Anne Ownes -- on road next to Pentagon
The plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon. The impact was deafening. The fuselage hit the ground and blew up.
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjourn ... adsto.html
Christine Peterson -- on road adjacent to helipad
It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing. And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire.
http://www.naualumni.com/News/News.cfm?ID=613&c=4
Frank Probst -- in the construction yard outside Pentagon
I saw this plane coming right at me at what seemed like 300 miles an hour. I dove towards the ground and watched this great big engine from this beautiful airplane just vaporize. It looked like a huge fireball, pieces were flying out everywhere.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagra ... 660-1.html
Lt. Commander John Sayer -- riding on a bus
It sounded like a very loud clap. At first I thought an airplane had hit in front of the Pentagon, but when I got closer I saw that it had struck the Pentagon.
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/ ... cene.shtml
Noel Sepulveda -- in the Pentagon parking lot
You could hear the engines being revved up even higher. The plane dipped its nose and crashed into the southwest side of the Pentagon. The right engine hit high, the left engine hit low. For a brief moment, you could see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building. Then a ball of fire came from behind it. An explosion followed.
http://www.af.mil/news/Apr2002/n20020415_0585.shtml
Skarlet -- on road adjacent to Pentagon
As I came up along the Pentagon I saw helicopters. (...) it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense. (...) A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. The noise was beyond description.
punkprincess.com/archives/002150.html
Joel Sucherman --
The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror- struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,9306,00.asp
Tony Terronez -- from car on road adjacent to Pentagon
This huge WHOOSH! And something made me look in my rearview mirror and by the time I looked up I saw the side of the Pentagon explode. I was stunned. It was just so surreal, like something out of a movie, like Die Hard. The side of a building just exploded! As the fireball got higher and higher, you saw this debris go up in the air.
http://www.counseling.org/ctonline/news/amazing1001.htm
Carla Thompson -- from about 1000 yards away from crash
glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building. I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up--red, everything red.
bernie.house.gov/documents/articles/20010912170838.asp
Phillip Thompson -- Sitting in traffic in I-395 HOV lane
... saw an American Airlines jet come overhead and slam into the Pentagon, it all came back. I heard the scream of a jet engine and, turning to look, saw my driver's side window filled with the fuselage of the doomed airliner.
http://www.militarycity.com/sept11/911_1068139.html%20
Tim Timmerman -- from 16th floor apartment
... it had been an American Airways 757. It added power on its way in. The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball. Smoke and flames poured out of a large hole punched into the side of the Pentagon.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/stor ... 86,00.html
Tim Timmerman -- from 16th floor apartment
and as is went ... by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html
Mike Walter -- sitting in traffic on northbound 27
And I aw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon. Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/09/11/witnesses/
Dave Winslow --
I saw the tail of a large airliner ... It ploughed right into the Pentagon.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/stor ... 86,00.html

So many quotes of the impact... that left no damage besides a punchhole... the skid... that left no mark

okay.. cruise missile..

how did it knock over so many light poles on the way in? Was the operator sick on the Slalom 101 day of Tomahawk training?

Best part about the cruise missile strike.

....they dont blow up that way.

edit: Google "Annular blast"

If you believe there aren't people who know way more than they are letting on, because the information would implicate some important people in SOME kind of wrongdoing, or at least some major fuckup, you're a retard.

But if you believe what THESE guys are suggesting, you're fucking nuts.

Pherr the Dorf wrote:So many quotes of the impact... that left no damage besides a punchhole... the skid... that left no mark

Ok, let's see if I have this right...

We are going to ignore the people who said they saw a plane hit the Pentagon...but we will look at the "hole" and say it was too small to be what they "claim" they saw.

We are going to listen to the people who heard multiple explosions when the Trade Center buildings fell...but we will ignore the fact that these were huge steel and concrete buildings falling apart and that said materials make noise when they "break."

how about the 3.2 billion dollar insurance policy against terrorist attacks taken on the WTC 6 weeks before 9/11?

how about several evacuations of the two towers for "security" in the weeks leading up to 9/11? you were wondering when they could've planted the charges?

how about Underwriters Labratories, the company that certified the steel used to build the WTC, saying that it is a ridiculous notion that burning jet fuel melted that steel?

how about the pilot of the plane that supposedly smashed into the pentagon who actually worked for the pentagon on a simulation of a plane crashing into the pentagon?

how about the record of flight 93 actually landing elsewhere?

oh yeah, how about the first two planes to ever be completely vaporized by a crash?

Fash wrote:how about the 3.2 billion dollar insurance policy against terrorist attacks taken on the WTC 6 weeks before 9/11?

how about several evacuations of the two towers for "security" in the weeks leading up to 9/11? you were wondering when they could've planted the charges?

how about Underwriters Labratories, the company that certified the steel used to build the WTC, saying that it is a ridiculous notion that burning jet fuel melted that steel?

how about the pilot of the plane that supposedly smashed into the pentagon who actually worked for the pentagon on a simulation of a plane crashing into the pentagon?

how about the record of flight 93 actually landing elsewhere?

oh yeah, how about the first two planes to ever be completely vaporized by a crash?

Vaporized vs pulverized...maybe? Where are the desks that were in the building?

You left out the theories that:

the "hijackers" had all been to psychiatrists recently which led them to fly the planes into buildings...

there were multiple "war games" going on in the area at the same time...

there was a FEMA response area set up nearby on 09/10...

the planes were actually not AA flights, but they were remote controlled...

the cow jumped over the moon...

etc...

I actually beleive a plane hit the pentagon, just not a commercial flight... and I trust military guys who say they smell cordite.

Again I am not saying the govt did it and nots aying bin laden did, I am saying either are possible, but it did not go down the way they say it did.

I will add, if anyone here doubts for 1 moment the government of the United States would lie to start a war, allow me to introduce you to The Tonkin Gulf Incident.

Boogahz wrote:

Pherr the Dorf wrote:So many quotes of the impact... that left no damage besides a punchhole... the skid... that left no mark

Ok, let's see if I have this right...

We are going to ignore the people who said they saw a plane hit the Pentagon...but we will look at the "hole" and say it was too small to be what they "claim" they saw.

We are going to listen to the people who heard multiple explosions when the Trade Center buildings fell...but we will ignore the fact that these were huge steel and concrete buildings falling apart and that said materials make noise when they "break."

I can't even imagine the sounds that would come from those buildings while they were "breaking" like you said..

this video is rocking the boat

Sendarie wrote:Something like this would take months of planning alone and so many man hours and logistics it is 100% non feasible. You would have to have TEAMS of men and a job this size would require so much material and equipment nevermind all the knotching and cutting torches would be needed to prepare the beams.
You dont just strap a charge onto a metal beam like that, fire it off and have it cut it in half. Thats not how it works.
Now assume there was no knotching. In that case the amount of material needed to level buildings of that size would have taken out half of the city if not more.

Yet the buildings could feasibly come down as cleanly as a controlled demolition just from the plane impacts and subsequent fire? Not to mention the third building that came down just as cleanly without taking a direct hit from a jet.

Hell, just look at the damage that the federal building in Oklahoma City sustained, and that didn't come down until they charged it with explosives to make it come down.

Science refutes any moron who believes the official line.

As to who was guilty....well, thats another story, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who the various possible candidates are.