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Self cooling beer can

Posted: September 23, 2005, 10:21 pm
by Aabidano
This is pretty spiffy, I'm at a toss up whether this or the self heating coffee in a can is better:

http://www.realbeer.com/news/articles/news-002203.php


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Posted: September 23, 2005, 11:35 pm
by Winnow
PWN!

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9351

Why would UK beer companies be tesing this? Don't they serve their beer piss warm like all the other Euro countries? They must want to make money off American tourists!

Posted: September 24, 2005, 12:29 am
by kyoukan
some variaties are served cold and some are served at warm temperature. different temperatures bring out different flavors in different recipes. if americans drank anything other than coors light because TV tells them to, then maybe you would learn about different ways of serving malt beverages.

Posted: September 24, 2005, 2:26 am
by Canelek
Anyone remember when Keystone came out and they had that whole 'bottled beer taste in a can' bullshit slogan? I suppose that was code for 'what faggot frat boys drink', but it was a rather bold slogan, nonetheless.

Most Americans would not know a good beer if it came up to them and bitch-slapped them with an Albacore carcass.

Posted: September 24, 2005, 3:32 am
by Aslanna
Yay more waste going into landfills. Lazy people.

Posted: September 24, 2005, 3:57 am
by Nilaman
Aslanna wrote:Yay more waste going into landfills. Lazy people.
I was watching Mythbusters. If you empty one of those compressed air fire extinguishers on a 6 pack of beer then you can cool it off in less then a minute.

Posted: September 24, 2005, 4:22 am
by Winnow
kyoukan wrote:some variaties are served cold and some are served at warm temperature. different temperatures bring out different flavors in different recipes. if americans drank anything other than coors light because TV tells them to, then maybe you would learn about different ways of serving malt beverages.
I consumed XXX liters of luke warm beer while in Europe. I didn't say the piss warm beer was bad in my post. I was just giving a temperature reference.

Here's me in action over in Switzerland during high school. Photos cropped to protect ridicule of the bad hair of that decade! I wish I had taken color pics back then but we developed our own film for a photography class so we used black and white rolls due to the limitations of the facilities.

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Mmmmm...even if it started out cold, it was warm by the time those mega mugs were finished off.

The beer we mostly drank was called Feldschlössen served in liter bottles but sometime's we'd get kegs of it. This picture from the yearbook is of a keg burried right outside my dorm room for a weekend party:

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Lots of euro beer! I learned a lot about the flavor of beer while drinking that 5-liter mug and even more about hurling later on that night.

I'm sure the parents loved seeing all the beer party pictures that dominated the Senior section of the yearbook.

Anyway, back on topic! For those of us in the desert that can't set our beverages out on the doorstep to cool off, these cans are a great idea!

Posted: September 24, 2005, 5:49 am
by Breagen
Canelek wrote:I suppose that was code for 'what faggot frat boys drink', but it was a rather bold slogan, nonetheless.
I laughed at this because it's so true. :lol:

Posted: September 24, 2005, 12:14 pm
by Noysyrump
So can of self cooling beer gonna cost what? $15?

Think the whole point of a can is that it costs next to nothing to make.

Posted: September 24, 2005, 3:34 pm
by Winnow
Noysyrump wrote:So can of self cooling beer gonna cost what? $15?

Think the whole point of a can is that it costs next to nothing to make.
I can't remember where I saw the figures but the cost wasn't too bad. Maybe .25 more per can which would be worth it depending on the situation.

Posted: September 25, 2005, 1:13 am
by VariaVespasa
Courtesy of Dakanaf, edumacate yerselves! :)

Dictionary defines "beer" as:

beer n

1.
a. A fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt and flavored with hops.
b. A fermented beverage brewed by traditional methods that is then dealcoholized so that the finished product contains no more than 0.5 percent alcohol
c. A carbonated beverage produced by a method in which the fermentation process is either circumvented or altered, resulting in a finished product having an alcohol content of no more than 0.01 percent.
2. A beverage made from extracts of roots and plants: birch beer.
3. A serving of one of these beverages.


Wikipedia defines as follows:
A beer is any alcoholic beverage produced by the fermentation of starchy material, which is not distilled after fermentation. The production of beer and some other alcoholic beverages is often called brewing. Historically, beer was known to the Ancient Egyptians and Mesopotamians, and dates back at least as far as 4,000 BC, but these beers were absolutely different from today's Budweiser or Heineken. Because the ingredients used to make beer differ from place to place, beer characteristics (type, taste, and colour) vary widely.

Ingredients
The main ingredients of beer are water, malted barley, hops, and yeast. Other flavoring or sources of sugar, such as fruit or other grains, are called adjuncts, and are not uncommon.

Because beer is composed mainly of water, the source of the water and its characteristics have an important effect on the character of the beer. Many beer styles were influenced or even determined by the characteristics of the water in the region.
Among malts, barley malt is the most widely used owing to its high amylase enzyme content (which facilitates the breakdown of the starch into sugars), but other malted and unmalted grains are widely used, including wheat, rice, maize, oats, and rye.
Hops, a relatively recent addition to beer (see History, below), contribute a bitterness that balances the sweetness of the malt, and also have an antibiotic effect that favours the activity of brewer's yeast over less desirable microorganisms.
Yeast is used in a process called fermentation to metabolize the sugars extracted from the grains, producing alcohol and carbon dioxide. The average beer contains 4–6% alcohol, although alcohol content can be as low as 2% and as high as 14%. There are three main kinds which are used (see Styles of beer, below): ale yeast, lager yeast, and wild yeasts.
Some brewers add clarifying agents to beer that are not required to be published as ingredients. Since these ingredients may include animal extracts, vegans and others concerned with the use or consumption of animal products may wish to contact the brewer for specific details of the filtration process. Isinglass finings are a common animal-derived clarifying agent, extracted from fish. Alternatively, Irish moss is a commonly used plant-based clarifying agent.

The brewing process
Though the process of brewing beer is complex and varies widely, the four basic stages are outlined below. Note that there is also generally a filtration step before and after each stage.

Mashing: In the first phase of brewing, the malted grains are ground and soaked in warm water in order to create a malt extract.
Boiling: Next, the extract is boiled along with any remaining ingredients (except the yeast) to create what is called the wort. The hops are placed in bags and brewed like tea, or a hop extract is added.
Fermentation: The yeast is added and the beer is allowed to sit for at least a week while it undergoes the process of fermentation. Like most fermented drinks, the beer may be allowed a second fermentation, called conditioning, which gives the beer a more complex taste.
Packaging: At this point, the beer contains all of its alcohol, but not very much carbonation. The brewer has a number of ways of getting the beer to its final state, such as adding carbonation directly as CO2 gas and kegging the beer, or adding extra sugar and bottling in order to allow the yeast to naturally create carbonation.

History
Almost any sugar or starch-containing food can naturally undergo fermentation, and so it is likely that beer-like beverages were independently invented in cultures throughout the world. In Mesopotamia, the oldest evidence of beer is on a 6000-year-old Sumerian tablet which shows people drinking a beverage through reed straws from a communal bowl. Beer is also mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and a 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring the brewing goddess Ninkasi contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread. Beer became vital to all the grain-growing civilizations of classical antiquity, especially in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Beer was important to early Romans, but during Republican times wine displaced beer as the preferred alcoholic beverage, and beer became considered a beverage fit only for barbarians. Tacitus wrote disparagingly of the beer brewed by the Germanic peoples of his day.

Most beers until relatively recent times were what we would now call ales. Lagers were discovered by accident in the sixteenth century when beer was stored in cool caverns for long periods; they have since largely outpaced ales in volume. (See below for the distinction.) The use of hops for bittering and preservation is a relatively recent addition. Prior to the use of hops, in the Middle Ages many other mixture of herbs were often employed in beer (often this mixture of herbs is referred to as gruit). Hops were cultivated in France as early as the 800s. The oldest surviving written record of the use of hops in beer is in 1067 by Abbess Hildegard of Bingen: "If one intends to make beer from oats, it is prepared with hops." In 15th century England, an unhopped beer would have been known as an ale, while the use of hops would make it a beer. Hopped beer was imported to England (from the Netherlands) as early as 1400 in Winchester and hops were being planted on the island by 1428. The popularity of hops was at first mixed -- The Brewers Company of London went so far as to state "no hops, herbs, or other like thing be put into any ale or liquore wherof ale shall be made — but only liquor (water), malt, and yeast." However, by the 16th century, "ale" had come to refer to any strong beer, and all ale and beer were hopped.

Beer largely remained a homemaker's activity in medieval times. By the time the 14th and 15th century rolled around, beermaking was gradually changing from a family-oriented activity to an artisian one, with pubs and monasteries brewing their own beer for mass consumption.

With the invention of the steam engine in 1765, industrialization of beer became a reality. Further innovations in the brewing process came about with the introduction of the thermometer and hydrometer in the 19th century (allowing brewmasters to increase efficiency and attenuation). Prior to the late 18th century, malt was primarily wood roasted (contributing a darker color and smoked flavor); the usage of coal lightened beer color and eliminated the smoke flavor for all but a handful of styles. The invention of the drum roaster in 1817 by Daniel Wheeler allowed for the creation of very dark, roasted malts, contributing to the flavor of porters and stouts. The discovery of yeast's role in fermentation in 1857 by Louis Pasteur gave brewmasters methods to prevent the souring of beer by undesireable microorganisms.

In 1953, New Zealander Morton W Coutts developed the technique of continuous fermentation. Morton patented his process which revolutionized the industry by reducing a four-month long brewing process to less than 24 hours [1] (http://www.roadshow.org/html/resources/ ... ticle.html). His process is still used by many of the world’s major breweries today, including Guinness.

In 1516, the duchy of Bavaria adopted the Reinheitsgebot, perhaps the oldest food regulation still being used. The Reinheitsgebot ordered that the ingredients of beer be restricted to water, barley, and hops (with yeast added after Louis Pasteur's discovery). The law soon spread throughout Germany, and has since been updated to reflect modern trends in beer brewing. To this day, the Reinheitsgebot is (controversially) considered a mark of purity in beers.

Etymology
Of the two terms, ale is the elder in English. It comes directly from the proto-Indo European root *alu-, through Germanic *aluth-[2] (http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE14.html). Beer, on the other hand, is considered to come from the Latin bibere (to drink)[3] (http://www.bartleby.com/61/69/B0156900.html). Old English sources distinguish between "ale" and "beer" but do not define what was meant by "beer" during that period, although there is some speculation that it refers to what would now be called cider (alcoholic form). The Old English form of "beer" disappeared shortly after the Norman Conquest, and the word re-entered English centuries later, in exclusive reference to hopped malt beverages.

Mythology
The Finnish epic Kalevala (collected in written form in the 19th century but based on oral traditions many centuries old) devotes more lines to the origin of beer and brewing than it does to the origin of mankind.

The British Drinking song "Beer, Beer Beer"[4] (http://www.mickeymulligan.com/The%20Mus ... er,%20Beer) attributes the invention of beer to the presumably fictional Charlie Mopps:
A long time ago, way back in history
When all there was to drink was nothin’ but cups of tea,
Along came a man by the name of Charlie Mopps
And he invented the wonderful drink, and he made it out of hops.
...

The mythical Flemish king Gambrinus is sometimes credited with the invention of beer.

Styles of beers

There are many different types of beer, each of which is spoken of as belonging to a particular style. A beer's style is a label that describes the overall flavor and often the origin of a beer, according to a system that has evolved by trial and error over many centuries.

Most beer styles fall into one of two large families: ale or lager, according to the type of yeast that is used in the beers fermentation process. Beers that blend the characteristics of ales and lagers are referred to as hybrids.

Ale

An ale is any beer that is brewed using only top-fermenting yeasts, and typically at higher temperatures than lager yeast (60°-75°F). Because ale yeasts cannot fully ferment some sugars, they produce esters in addition to alcohol, and the result is a more flavorful beer with a slightly "flowery" or "fruity" aroma resembling, but not limited to apple, pear, pineapple, grass, hay, plum, or prune. Stylistic differences among ales are more varied than those found among lagers, and many ale styles are difficult to categorize.

Lager

Lagers are the most commonly-consumed category of beer in the world. They are of Central European origin, taking their name from the German lagern ("to store"). Lager yeast are bottom-fermenting yeast. Typically, lager yeast undergo a primary fermentation at 45-55°F (the "fermentation phase"), and then are given a long secondary fermentation at 30-40°F (the "lagering phase"). During the secondary stage, the lager clears and mellows. The cooler conditions inhibit the natural production of esters and other byproducts, resulting in a "crisper" tasting beer.

Modern methods of producing lager were pioneered by Gabriel Sedlmayr the Younger (who perfected dark brown lagers at the Spaten Brewery in Bavaria) and Anton Dreher (who began brewing a lager, probably of amber-red color, in Vienna in 1840-1841). These days, with improved fermentation control, most lager breweries use only short periods of cold storage of 1–3 weeks.

Most of today's lager is based on the Pilsner style, pioneered in 1842 in the town of Plzen, Czech Republic. The modern Pilsner lager is light in colour and high in carbonation, with a mild hop flavour and an alcohol content of 3–6% by volume. The popular Budweiser brand of beer is one example of a pilsner.

Spontaneous fermentation

These are beers which use wild rather than cultivated yeasts. All beer before the cultivation of yeast in the 19th Century were closer to this style, characterised by the sour flavours.

Hybrid beers

Hybrid or mixed style beers use untraditional techniques and materials instead of, or in addition to, traditional aspects of brewing. Although there is some variation among sources, mixed beers generally fall into the following categories.

Fruit beers and vegetable beers are mixed with some kind of fermentable fruit or vegetable "adjunct" during the fermentation process, providing obvious, yet harmonious, qualities.
Herb and spiced beers add herbs or spices derived from roots, seeds, fruits, vegetables or flowers instead of or in addition to hops.
Wood-aged beers are any traditional or experimental beer that has been aged for a period of time in a wooden barrel or in contact with wood.
Smoked beers are any beer whose malt has been smoked. A smoky aroma and flavor is usually present.
Specialty beers are a catch-all category used to describe any beers brewed using unusual fermentable sugars, grains and starches.


Packaging and presentation

After brewing, beer must be stored in some form for shipment and consumption. Typically the beer is either kegged to be served on tap or bottled, usually on highly automated bottling lines. Cheaper mass-marketed brews are often stored in aluminium cans. Usually at this point the beer is a finished product, but some beers will contain live yeasts and are stored for further conditioning, allowing harsh elements in the beer to attenuate. This is especially the case in some bottle-conditioned Belgian ales and cask-conditioned real ales.

How the beer is served has an enormous impact on the drinker's experience. The most important factor is temperature. Colder temperatures inhibit the chemical senses of the tongue and throat and prevent the drinker from experiencing the full depth of the beer. On the other hand, beer served too warm may have the opposite problem, with strong beers in particular tasting too alcoholic and harsh, and lighter beers may seem flat and unappealing. Every style has an ideal serving temperature, and while casual drinkers may be accustomed to "ice-cold beer" or knocking back a "cold one," learning the appropriate serving temperature of beer can be very rewarding.

Besides temperature, choosing appropriate glassware is also key. While casual drinkers of cheap beer often down beer straight out of the bottle (or even a can), craft beers are always poured. Drinking out of a bottle virtually eliminates the beer aromas picked up by the nose, which are just as important as the flavours picked up by the mouth. So whether on tap or from a bottle, the beer is first poured into a glass, mug, or stein. As with wine, there are specialized styles of glassware for each style of beer—sometimes even for specific brands of beer. While any glass is preferable to a bottle, aficionados claim that the shape of the glass influences the perception of the aroma and the way in which the beer settles.

How beer is poured is also important to its presentation. The rate of flow, how the glass is tilted, and whether the beer is poured in the center or down the side of the glass all influence the end result, such as the size and longevity of the head, the pattern of the lacing, and the turbulence of the beer and its carbonation. Guinness in particular, along with other stouts, is leisurely poured in two stages, with a pause to allow settling. Some bottle-conditioned beers have a yeast sediment at the bottom of the bottle that may be undesirable, while beer tapped directly from a keg or cask may require special treatment. A method pioneered by Guinness is the nitrogen tap, which introduces tiny bubbles of nitrogen into the beer as it is poured.

*Hugs*
Varia

Posted: September 25, 2005, 3:55 am
by Leonaerd
That's one of the most entertaining reads I think I've ever experienced.

Posted: September 25, 2005, 4:55 am
by Winnow
Fuck Dakanaf. Right in the ass.

Posted: September 25, 2005, 7:18 am
by Kylere
Oh man that Stifel picture broght back memories of my tour of Germany. Bad thing about a glass bootunless you drink it toe down it can splash uncomfortably.

While Fake Kyoukan is an ignorant blight on humanity I will agree that 99% of Americans would not know a good beer if it drank them, but saying they all do not is silly. Since I couldn't find decent beers in the US it helped me stopped drinking beer except for once a leap year many moons ago.

Oh yeah and Winnow...drinking a Stifel is an art that is why you drink it fast before it gets warm.

Posted: September 25, 2005, 8:53 am
by Cotto
"Why is american beer like sex in a canoe?
Because its fucking close to water!"

All hail python!

Posted: September 25, 2005, 11:25 am
by Boogahz
There's a cool pub here in Austin where I can get better beer whenever I want it. They are good about serving the beer at whatever temp is best for each one. They also serve food. It is funny to take people there that have never been. They see the food menu which is average size for just about any restaurant, and then they see the beer menu which is even thicker. They have a partial beer menu online at http://www.bbrovers.com/

Posted: September 26, 2005, 8:03 pm
by Funkmasterr
I can't imagine this being cost efficient, hard to believe the .25 cent thing, whoever said that.

That being said, beer tastes bad enough - warm beer will make me vomit almost as fast as smelling tequila.

Give me vodka and I'm happy.

Posted: September 27, 2005, 8:21 am
by Morgrym
Who the hell lets the beer warm up to the point where that thingy would be needed?

That being said, I doubt most of you live in the PA, MD, VA area. But, if you do, and you have not tried the best beer brewed in America, you are missing out. I think they are starting to branch out to parts of FL as well.

:edit: it's available in...
Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Delaware, Maryland, Washington D.C., Virginia, North Carolina and Florida. :edit:

http://www.yuengling.com/

Posted: September 27, 2005, 12:21 pm
by Canelek
Yuengling is good shit! Girlfriend of mine turned me on to it while I was out there a couple months ago. Best beer I had in NY! :D

Posted: September 27, 2005, 3:50 pm
by Rivera Bladestrike
Canelek wrote:Anyone remember when Keystone came out and they had that whole 'bottled beer taste in a can' bullshit slogan? I suppose that was code for 'what faggot frat boys drink', but it was a rather bold slogan, nonetheless.

Most Americans would not know a good beer if it came up to them and bitch-slapped them with an Albacore carcass.
We only drink Keystone because its really really cheap, $13.49 a 30 case when you're just going to chug the beer anyway. And it tastes better than dog shit like Milwaukees Best or Natural Light.

Yuengling is still my favorite beer, I also enjoy Labatt immensely, but they cost money, and in college there seems to be an absense of that...

Posted: September 27, 2005, 5:11 pm
by Winnow
Another nod here for Yuengling as one of the better American beers. My relatives are mostly from PA and introduced me to it.

As for day-to-day grocery store level beers, I've been hooked on Amstel Light lately. A dutch beer from the Netherlands of all things. Keep up the good work over there Drolgin!

Posted: September 27, 2005, 11:06 pm
by Pherr the Dorf
I wanna see the pictures uncropped...


I WANNA SEE YER DAMN MULLET!

Posted: September 27, 2005, 11:29 pm
by Canelek
Rivera Bladestrike wrote:
Canelek wrote:Anyone remember when Keystone came out and they had that whole 'bottled beer taste in a can' bullshit slogan? I suppose that was code for 'what faggot frat boys drink', but it was a rather bold slogan, nonetheless.

Most Americans would not know a good beer if it came up to them and bitch-slapped them with an Albacore carcass.
We only drink Keystone because its really really cheap, $13.49 a 30 case when you're just going to chug the beer anyway. And it tastes better than dog shit like Milwaukees Best or Natural Light.

Yuengling is still my favorite beer, I also enjoy Labatt immensely, but they cost money, and in college there seems to be an absense of that...
Best budget college beer = Natty Ice! :D 5.6 biatch!

Posted: September 28, 2005, 1:11 am
by Winnow
Pherr the Dorf wrote:I wanna see the pictures uncropped...


I WANNA SEE YER DAMN MULLET!
Bitch! If that's your age on the left, you had a mullet too! Maybe!

wth...here's the shame that was my hair for the first half of my senior year.

Prague, Czechoslovakia: (decade: 80's)

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I found a picture of the liter bottles we used to drink so stuck that in as an inset. (to stay remotely on topic)

The other inset is the haircut that saved me from heading to college a virgin and was also the stock photo sent home that displayed something other than beer drinking to the parents. The book is strategically placed to demonstrate proper nipple alignment in case Seebs gets ahold of this thread!

Back to world beer temperatures and self cooling can discussion now! (except for Pherr! post your mullet!1!1)

College desperation budget beer of choice: Meister Brau

Posted: September 28, 2005, 11:05 am
by Neost
I can't decide if the hair is Eric Estrada or David Hasselhof.....

Posted: September 28, 2005, 12:13 pm
by miir
That's definately Hasslehoffhair.

Posted: September 28, 2005, 5:45 pm
by Winnow
Hair, Sing Along!

Gimme a head with hair, long beautiful hair
Shining, gleaming, steaming, flaxen, waxen
Give me down to there, hair!
Shoulder length, longer (hair!)
Here baby, there mama, Everywhere daddy daddy

Hair! (hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair)
Flow it, Show it;
Long as God can grow it, My Hair!

Let it fly in the breeze and get caught in the trees
Give a home to the fleas in my hair
A home for fleas, a hive for bees
A nest for birds, there ain't no words
For the beauty, the splendor, the wonder of my Hair!

I want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy
Snaggy, shaggy, ratty, matty
Oily, greasy, fleecy, shining
Gleaming, steaming, flaxen, waxen
Knotted, polka-dotted; Twisted, beaded, braided
Powdered, flowered, and confettied
Bangled, tangled, spangled and spaghettied!

O-oh, Say can you see; my eyes if you can,
Then my hair's too short!
Down to here, down to there,
Down to where, down to there;
It stops by itself!
doo doo doo doo doot-doot doo doo doot

Posted: September 30, 2005, 1:28 am
by Pherr the Dorf
Dude...nice hair!

And no, I had hippie hair