It seriously looks like they're trying to win back their original crowd of gamers from the NES/SNES days. Not sure how they'll appeal to the current 10-20 crowd however this is somewhat exciting to say the least.
Backward compatibility: The new console plays all games from the current Nintendo GameCube generation. But there's more…
The secret weapon: The console also will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).
Backward compatibility to ancient games is nice but not that big a deal. On another thread, it's discussed at how easy it is to get emulators and all of those games on one or two DVDs and play them on an XBox or PC.
Nintendo Revolution is going to flop. It's technically inferior to both the Xbox 360 and PS3.
Japanese game magazine, Famitsu, recently had a chance to talk to Nintendo and clear a few things up regarding the full list of backwards compatible titles that will be available free of charge on their next system. The list below contains 221 titles that were published in Japan. Not just developed like they previously stated. There will be more titles announced at a later date.
NES:
1. 10-Yard Fight
2. Anticipation
3. Balloon Fight
4. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
5. Baseball
6. Clu Clu Land
7. Dance Aerobics
8. Devil World
9. Doki Doki Panic
10. Donkey Kong
11. Donkey Kong 3
12. Donkey Kong Classics
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. Donkey Kong Jr. Math
15. Dr. Mario
16. Dragon Warrior
17. Duck Hunt
18. Excitebike
19. Famicom Wars
20. Final Fantasy
21. Fire Emblem Gaiden
22. Fire Emblem: Ankokuryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi
23. Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy
24. Golf
25. Gum Shoe
26. Gyromite
27. Hogan's Alley
28. Ice Climber
29. Ice Hockey
30. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Taito)
31. Kid Icarus
32. Kirby's Adventure
33. Kung Fu
34. Mach Rider
35. Mario Bros.
36. Mario Time Machine
37. Mario is Missing!
38. Mario:Fun with Letters
39. Mario:Fun with Numbers
40. Metroid
41. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
42. Mother (Earthbound)
43. NES Open Golf
44. Nintendo World Cup
45. Nuts & Milk
46. Pin-Bot
47. Pinball
48. Play Action Football
49. Popeye
50. Pro Wrestling
51. Punch-Out!!
52. R.C. Pro-Am
53. Rad Racer
54. Rad Racer 2
55. Short Order/Eggsplode
56. Slalom
57. Snake Rattle & Roll
58. Soccer
59. Stack Up
60. Star Tropics
61. Super Mario Bros.
62. Super Mario Bros. 2
63. Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
64. Super Mario Bros. 3
65. Super Spike V'Ball/World Cup Soccer
66. Super Team Games
67. Tennis
68. Tetris
69. Tetris 2
70. The Legend of Zelda
71. To The Earth
72. Track meet
73. Urban Champion
74. Volleyball
75. Wario's Woods
76. Wild Gunman
77. World Class Track Meet
78. World Cup Soccer
79. Wrecking Crew
80. Yoshi (Mario & Yoshi)
81. Yoshi's Cookie
82. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
83. Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II
Super NES:
84. Derby Stallion 98 (NP)
85. Donkey Kong Country
86. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
87. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
88. EarthBound
89. F-Zero
90. FX Fighter
91. Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo
92. Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu
93. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
94. Hyper V-Ball
95. Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball
96. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run
97. Killer Instinct
98. Kirby Super Star
99. Kirby's Avalanche
100. Kirby's Dream Course
101. Kirby's Dream Land 3
102. Kirby's Ghost Trap
103. Legend (some say the movie inspired Zelda but the timing is off, sorry im a history buff)
104. Mario Paint
105. Mario and Wario
106. Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
107. Mario's Super Picross
108. Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge
109. NCAA Basketball
110. NHL Stanley Cup
111. Panel de Pon
112. Picross NP Vol. 8
113. PilotWings
114. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
115. Sound Fantasy
116. Star Fox
117. Stunt Race FX
118. Super Famicom Wars
119. Super Mario Kart
120. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
121. Super Mario World
122. Super Metroid
123. Super Punch-Out!!
124. Super Scope 6
125. Super Soccer
126. Super Soccer 2
127. Super Tennis
128. Tetris & Dr. Mario
129. Tetris Attack
130. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
131. Tinstar
132. Uniracers (Unirally, the game sucked bad you raced unicycles with no rider)
133. Winter Gold (FX Skiing)
134. World League Baseball
135. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
136. Yoshi's Safari
Nintendo 64:
137. 1080° Snowboarding
138. Animal Forest (Animal Crossing)
139. Banjo-Kazooie
140. Banjo-Tooie
141. Blast Corps
142. Bomberman 64
143. Bomberman Hero
144. Buggie Boogie
145. Cabbage
146. Catroots
147. Climber
148. Command & Conquer
149. Creator
150. Cruis'n USA
151. Cruis'n World
152. Cu-On-Pa
153. Custom Robo
154. Custom Robo V2
155. DD Sequencer
156. Dezaemon DD
157. Diddy Kong Racing (w00t)
158. Donkey Kong 64
159. Doubutsu Banchou
160. Dr. Mario 64
161. Echo-Delta
162. Emperor of the Jungle
163. Excitebike 64
164. F-Zero X
165. Gendai Dai-Senryaku: Ultimate War
166. GoldenEye 007
167. Hey You, Pikachu!
168. Jack and the Beanstalk
169. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest
170. Killer Instinct Gold
171. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
172. Kirby's Air Ride
173. Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
174. Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr
175. Mario Golf
176. Mario Kart 64
177. Mario Party
178. Mario Party 2
179. Mario Party 3
180. Mario Tennis 64
181. Mickey's Speedway USA
182. Mini Racers
183. Mischief Makers
184. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 2
185. NBA Courtside 2: Featuring Kobe Bryant
186. Paper Mario
187. Perfect Dark
188. Pilotwings 64
189. Pokemon Puzzle League
190. Pokemon Snap
191. Pokemon Stadium
192. Pokemon Stadium 2
193. Pokemon Stadium: Gold, Silver, Crystal Version
194. Ridge Racer 64
195. Riqa
196. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
197. Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
198. Star Fox 64
199. Star Wars Episode I: Racer
200. Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
201. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
202. StarCraft 64
203. Super Mario 64
204. Super Smash Bros.
205. Tetrisphere
206. The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda) (Master Quest in America)
207. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
208. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
209. The New Tetris
210. Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
211. Wall Street DD
212. Wave Race 64
213. Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
214. Yoshi's Story
Satteleview Games:
215. BS F-Zero 2 Grand Prix
216. BS Special Tee Shot
217. BS Zelda
64 DD Games:
218. SimCity 64
219. F-Zero X Expansion Kit
220. Kyojin no Doshin 1 (Doshin the Giant)
221. Mario Artist: Communication Kit,Paint Studio,Polygon Studio, Sound Studio, Talent Studio
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
I doubt that they will gain a majority marketshare with their next generation console, but they do have a lot of muscle to put behind it and will probably win some decent sales numbers.
I'm sad by the lack of presence of Crystalis, Blaster Master, Bionic Commando, FF2 and FF3, any Mega Man, any Ninja Gaiden, any Castlevania, Wizards and Warriors etc etc etc..
Animalor wrote:I'm sad by the lack of presence of Crystalis, Blaster Master, Bionic Commando, FF2 and FF3, any Mega Man, any Ninja Gaiden, any Castlevania, Wizards and Warriors etc etc etc..
expect to see those; but maybe with a small fee attached as they are third party games and not made by nintendo in house or 2nd party
These are available for free right now. Why so excited about this? People have nostalgic feelings for these game for sure but it's doubtful you'll look at them more than a few minutes.
I guess Nintendo knows how to market. Their new game machine will be crap compared to Sony/MS's offerings but you can play old games available anywhere for free!
I can mail you a DVD for .50 with them all on it you can pop into your xbox.
Winnow wrote:These are available for free right now. Why so excited about this? People have nostalgic feelings for these game for sure but it's doubtful you'll look at them more than a few minutes.
I guess Nintendo knows how to market. Their new game machine will be crap compared to Sony/MS's offerings but you can play old games available anywhere for free!
I can mail you a DVD for .50 with them all on it you can pop into your xbox.
Because not everyone knows about emulators. And some people respect copyrights. While they are 'free' now they aren't exactly legal.
And really, the N64 emulators are kinda crappy from what I saw. If the platform can run them with 100% compatability and at normal speed, it would be a handy thing. I guess. I don't know if any of the 64 titles are actually worth anything.
Will be interesting to see if any hacks spring up that will let you run ones not on the list if you have the ROMs.
I know about emulators, it's just kinda nice to not have to be shady about it ;p Especially since Nintendo will be offering them for free.
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Aslanna wrote:
Because not everyone knows about emulators. And some people respect copyrights. While they are 'free' now they aren't exactly legal.
You mean those old C-64 games aren't public domain? Are you saying there are shenanigans going on over in the emulator forum???
It's nice to have the games available but realistically I just can't see people playing them that much. I may be wrong on that though as peeps in this thread seem thrilled to see a piece of their childhood available again legally or without using an old console. Those games are seriously ancient compared to anything even 5 years ago. I can only pong for so long!
I guess revolution is an appropriate name, have people circle back and play the games that have already been played to death.
People are going to be shocked if they actually try to re-live their youth through these games. Comparatively speaking, these games really do suck. Very few games are timeless. Joust, ms pacman, maybe the original mario bros (to throw at least one nin game that hasn't aged horribly in there). However, 5 minutes here, 2 minutes there, you're going to start scratching your head. You're going to try to remember your neighbors(or doormates in mine and other's cases) playing against you and trash talking each other all the while. Then you'll stare into the 64x64 monotone pixelated mess, alone, on your superduper hdtv and wonder what the fuck happened.
shortly thereafter, an xbox360 or ps3 will be on your credit card statement
Winnow wrote:Nintendo Revolution is going to flop. It's technically inferior to both the Xbox 360 and PS3.
while this may be true, it's also a lot cheaper to develop a game for the revolution. i'm hoping to see a lot of innovative games come out for the revolution since most indie developers and small firms can't afford to invest $1.5 million in a game, and most publishers just want another halo or WWII game.
Winnow wrote:Nintendo Revolution is going to flop. It's technically inferior to both the Xbox 360 and PS3.
while this may be true, it's also a lot cheaper to develop a game for the revolution. i'm hoping to see a lot of innovative games come out for the revolution since most indie developers and small firms can't afford to invest $1.5 million in a game, and most publishers just want another halo or WWII game.
This is what I'm hoping. The other two consoles are so packed with crap to shuffle DVD movies, shine your shoes and love you unconditionally (I think the latest PS3 specs actually say it will come with a bidet) that there will be no room for any innovation or immersion. It'll basically be the same old shit, just shinier. In fact, several articles from gaming mags I've read suggest that many opportunities for AI improvements, and game mechanic complexities have acutally had to be scrapped in favor of making sure Sony/Microsoft had the bigger pixel-wang.
The only hope for any real innovation (and there may be none) looks to be the Revolution, with its focus on gaming, rather than video processers so powerful they can kill with a thought. Frankly, I won't hold my breath though.
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Winnow wrote:Backward compatibility to ancient games is nice but not that big a deal. On another thread, it's discussed at how easy it is to get emulators and all of those games on one or two DVDs and play them on an XBox or PC.
Nintendo Revolution is going to flop. It's technically inferior to both the Xbox 360 and PS3.
I honestly don't understand you sometimes, Winnow. For someone who loves new toys as much as you do, you seem to preselect the things that you "are going to like" before they come out and limit yourself to one or another formats. The hardware behind the Revolution may end up being inferior to that of the PS3 and XBox 360, but that does not necessarily mean that there won't be quality games on that system.
Why start bashing the system now, when you could end up buying one for a small selection of sweet games and to move your emulator off of the computer and onto your TV?
So let me get this straight. "The only hope" for innovation is from the least innovative and powerful console?
When it comes to consoles, I treat them much like PCs vs Macs. I go with the best technology as well as the most supported. (and most hackable for the fun factor in that)
Nintendo Revolution doesn't seem to have any advantage at all over Xbox360 and PS3. The innovative game designers are going to use the consoles that have the power to handle their ideas. The claim that a lessor machine is the only hope for innovation doesn't fly. With backward compatibility, poor game designers can still make Xbox and PS2 games that will work in the new machines and sell them at discount prices.
If you mean that the Revolution may come out with Super Ultra Tetris that is even better than Deluxe Tertris, then you may be right.
Arch, I'm not going to knock the Nintendo entry into the next wave of consoles, I wouldn't call their system next generation though compared to Sony and Microsoft. People who prefer the Gamecube over a PS2 or Xbox will probably go for the Revolution in the next round.
Because Winnow is the Nintendo h8r. Or an xbox fanboi. Or he might just be right.
Seriously, what hardware in this new Nintardo system will enable smarter AI than what's in the PS3 or 360? Unless there is some neural net learning computer embedded in this Nintendo, I'll hazard a guess that one processor churning out a hojillion operations/second is as good as any other re: AI capablities.
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
My biggest beef with Nintendo is that everything is centered around the hardware to enjoy the games to the fullest.
Wether it be a special controller, a gun, a racing wheel, GBA Controllers etc etc etc..
Nintendo needs to rething their way of doing things. Focus on making their main platform appealing to 2nd and 3rd party developpers and getting titles out there.
The pricepoint on the Revolution will need to be lower than the PS3 and 360 to get the consoles in the homes. The initial new title offering(the old games are a nice perk, but not enough imo for the price of a new console) better be stellar since they seem to be in a position where they'll be the last platform to come to market of the coming gen systems.
If they fuck up in this generation, I think the Big N will be going the way of Sega before too long and become a developper shop with a few great franchises.
The question is, would Sony of MS be interested in having a Mario game in their lineup?
I am a major Xbox/Xbox360 fanboi.. maybe more so than Winnow...
I defintely see room in my living room for this. If nothing else it can take the place of my GameCube that sits there collecting dust for nostalgia reasons.
I love playing those old games....
It may not be powerful or sexy, but they will get some of my money anyways...
And ya.. emulators on the xbox are flakey at best....
Winnow wrote:So let me get this straight. "The only hope" for innovation is from the least innovative and powerful console?
When it comes to consoles, I treat them much like PCs vs Macs. I go with the best technology as well as the most supported. (and most hackable for the fun factor in that)
Nintendo Revolution doesn't seem to have any advantage at all over Xbox360 and PS3. The innovative game designers are going to use the consoles that have the power to handle their ideas. The claim that a lessor machine is the only hope for innovation doesn't fly. With backward compatibility, poor game designers can still make Xbox and PS2 games that will work in the new machines and sell them at discount prices.
If you mean that the Revolution may come out with Super Ultra Tetris that is even better than Deluxe Tertris, then you may be right.
Arch, I'm not going to knock the Nintendo entry into the next wave of consoles, I wouldn't call their system next generation though compared to Sony and Microsoft. People who prefer the Gamecube over a PS2 or Xbox will probably go for the Revolution in the next round.
i'm not saying that the new xbox or playstation won't have innovative games. while the technology in those consoles is superior to the revolution, it takes a lot of time, manpower, and money to explore the technology and exploit its potential. innovative gameplay and enjoyability can be achieved by two kids sitting around in their basement... i guess it's just a matter of preference. personally, i'd like to see what smaller developers have to offer, and this will be the platform to do it on. for startup developers who want to approach the gaming industry without the rule of a publisher, that may be the only option. sure it might not look as good as call of duty 2, but i'm interested in seeing the games.
and yes, i'll probably buy the 360 and the ps3 as well.
Syenye wrote:
and yes, i'll probably buy the 360 and the ps3 as well.
ps zelda 4 lyfe!!!11!
Now you're talking some sense!
For penniless game designers, there's always the PC platform as well.
I've learned something valuable for possible future use in marketing on this thread...that people jump all over free bundled games even if they're extremely outdated. My personal opinion is that it's excellent for selling consoles but in reality, those games aren't going to be played much and in the end you'll be left with a third rate console. There's an outside chance of a unique game being designed for the Revolution but that's really grasping at straws as a reason to buy it without seeing anything in development that fits that description. I'll buy almost any electronic gizmo that looks interesting, sometimes multiple times but I can only picture the Revolution as a suped up emulator for old games. Wasn't the Gamecube easy to program for? I don't recall a flood of outstanding games on it that couldn't be had on PS2 or Xbox.
I'm wondering if it's an age thing. I wasn't part of the Nintendo generation so that may make a big difference here.
There was talk that Microsoft was going to buy Nintendo before the announcement of the Revolution. Ultimately, it may be better if the Revolution flops and Microsoft picks up the library for future Zelda, etc. games.
Winnow wrote:
I'm wondering if it's an age thing. I wasn't part of the Nintendo generation so that may make a big difference here.
You may have hit the nail on the head here. I was a pre-teen/teen in the NES/SNES days. These are the games I grew up with and rented regularly.
A 200-300$ price tag isn't much for a library of nostalgia that promises to be expanded with more titles than the load that was mentioned here.
Anyone else remember River City Ransom or Super Dodge Ball?
LOL @ River City Ransom. Didn't they take the models from that game and put them in a shitload of other ones? Like double dragon and a few others, or do I have that reversed.
Confirmed: Nintendo will charge for old titles on Revolution
Iwata made clear that the ultimate motive for the Revolution download service is to continue to capitalise on Nintendo's back catalogue, telling the conference that "we hope to create a system which allows both Nintendo and [third-party publishers] to make a profit by using [software titles] from the past."
Well I don't know if I will get an XBox 360 or the Revolution.
Hell who am I kidding I probably will get a Revolution. C'mon, new Zelda and Mario titles... But what is so revolutionary about it? They are promising a revolution but won't say what it will be yet.
Almost Definitely getting a PS3. It looks too cool so far. Can't wait to see IN GAME FOOTAGE AND NOT PROMOS! If it can deliver on it's promise that the promo videos show then yes I'll get one. The controllers throw me off a bit though.
There are only two reasons I might get a XBox. Oblivion, and some of the new games from that company some of the ex Final Fantasy people started.
Lohrno wrote:Almost Definitely getting a PS3. It looks too cool so far. Can't wait to see IN GAME FOOTAGE AND NOT PROMOS! If it can deliver on it's promise that the promo videos show then yes I'll get one. The controllers throw me off a bit though.
There are only two reasons I might get a XBox. Oblivion, and some of the new games from that company some of the ex Final Fantasy people started.
So you saunter through life thinking you use judgement, but, in fact, use moron-logic feigning as judgement.
hey, I've got nothing but a shitton of lies over here and a group of playable titles with an outlook of more over here.
Nintendo is no longer producing Wii consoles, the company announced on the official Nintendo Japan website for the console.
In a short statement on the Wii's product page, the company notes (as translated by Kotaku) "production ended."
The company had previously announced its planned end-of-production at the start of October, saying only that production would "soon end" across Japan.
The Wii was first launched in 2006, followed by an updated model launched in 2011. In Japan, the console has sold roughly 12.7 million units since its launch, as well as over 100 million units worldwide.
Not sure if there is an 'Official Wii thread' around here so this is close enough.
ROFL. I cannot remember typing that or actually being upbeat about Nintendo..
I never bought a Wii, inherited a broken one from my brother's kids that I ended up fixing. Bought a replacement optical disk laser on the internet that did the trick.
Winnow wrote:
There was talk that Microsoft was going to buy Nintendo before the announcement of the Revolution. Ultimately, it may be better if the Revolution flops and Microsoft picks up the library for future Zelda, etc. games.
That would have been best for everyone. Now Microsoft could get them super cheap, like one day of sales from Windows 8.
Fuckers.
