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OMG SURPRISE!!! FREE IPOD!!!

Posted: March 18, 2005, 6:39 pm
by noel
I know I'm in shock...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... &type=tech
Free iPod -- um, not really

David Lazarus

Friday, March 18, 2005

From the "No Free Lunch" file, let's take a look one of the more widespread offers circulating online for a free Apple iPod.

This one is from something called Incentive Reward Center, which is typically reached via Web-site banner ads and promises a "free*" iPod that normally sells for $399.

In the asterisked fine print below, the firm says that receiving your free iPod depends on the following conditions: "completion of offer terms," "completion of user survey" and "participation in sponsor offers."

What it doesn't say is that the offer terms will expose you to reams of spam and marketing solicitations, that the user survey is actually a lengthy marketing ploy, and that the sponsor offers needed to qualify for that free music player will almost certainly cost you money.

It also doesn't say that Incentive Reward Center is in fact a Florida business entity called Theuseful.com, which is in fact a fictitious business name registered by another Florida business entity called NiuTech.

As for NiuTech, the Better Business Bureau says the company has an "unsatisfactory record ... due to unanswered complaints concerning advertising and delivery issues."

Eddie Anazagasty, a spokesman for the Better Business Bureau, said 177 complaints against NiuTech have been lodged by consumers during the past three years over difficulties in obtaining promised goods like iPods and laptop computers.

"That's a lot," he said. "And the company hasn't responded to us. Those aren't good signs."

No one at NiuTech returned my repeated calls for comment.

But what makes this program especially troubling is that NiuTech has partnered with some of the biggest names in the business world for the iPod offer.

Clicking through the labyrinthine promotion (as I've done) turns up the likes of AOL, Bertelsmann, Blockbuster, Citibank, EarthLink, General Motors and USA Today, to name just a few.

Here's how it works:

To get the ball rolling you have to provide your name, address, e-mail address and date of birth. That starts the survey, which is actually dozens of solicitations, one at a time, page after page, asking whether you want more info on such things as credit cards, home loans or "a high-paying job in the construction industry."

Clicking your way past this barrage of come-ons finally gets you to the meat of the matter. Incentive Reward Center says you have to sign up for at least two offers from participating firms to get your hands on that free iPod.

It looks like there might be some freebies here, but most of the offers are for DVD and music services, credit cards and other such strings-attached programs.

Then you're presented with another list of marketers from which you have to sign up for another two pitches.

And then you're presented with yet another list of marketers from which, yes, two more offers must be accepted. (My favorite: a human growth hormone from Germany that purports to regenerate "skin, muscle, hair and bones.")

The final round of offers is virtually impossible to escape without agreeing to commit some money to a product or service.

I followed the process to the end but didn't sign up for anything. If I had, Incentive Reward Center says I'd have to remain as a member of each marketer's plan for about eight weeks to receive proof that I'd signed up.

Then I'd have to send in the six pieces of evidence to Incentive Reward Center, a.k.a. Theuseful.com, a.k.a. NiuTech, to claim my free iPod.

Is it legit? Well, Incentive Reward Center's site includes testimonials from a number of satisfied customers. Declares Christopher Alves of Palmdale (Los Angeles County): "IPods rock, and you guys rock harder! Thanks!!!"

There's no listing in Palmdale or surrounding communities for a Christopher Alves, so I wasn't able to confirm that iPods and Incentive Reward Center do indeed rock.

But I was able to reach another testimonial giver, 29-year-old Benjamin Culbert of Ephrata, Pa., who is pictured online holding his iPod box and giving a thumbs-up sign.

"Thanks so much for my iPod!" he's quoted as saying. "This was the easiest free gift and the reps are the nicest to work with. Thanks again!"

In fact, Culbert told me the testimonial was solicited and paid for by Incentive Reward Center.

"They said if I sent in a picture of myself with the product, they would send me a $50 debit card," he said. "So that's what I did."

Meanwhile, a close look at Theuseful.com's "terms & conditions" turns up some interesting language. For instance:

"Theuseful reserves the right to: a) substitute any gift item with another of similar functionality (including a working model that has been used/refurbished), b) substitute any gift item with another of similar value, c) send a member the cash equivalent of the gift item (such as via a check)."

A used iPod -- now there's an attractive offer. And what, you have to wonder, is the cash equivalent of an ostensibly free music player?

Moreover, Theuseful.com's privacy policy says it can share customers' personal info with its marketing partners "in order to bring you valuable services."

"Theuseful's trusted partners agree to abide by their respective privacy policies," it says. (Think about that for a second -- they're agreeing to follow their own rules, whatever they may be.)

"Theuseful and partners may send you information via various available channels and segmented lists," the policy says. "When you unsubscribe from one list, you will not be unsubscribed from all lists."

In other words, you're on your own out there, spamwise, and getting off the mountain of mailing lists you'll end up on will be a long walk indeed.

Some offers of free iPods out there may be valid. A Washington, D.C., company called Gratis Internet runs a site called FreeiPods.com, which is similar in most ways to Incentive Reward Center but seems to have better online buzz.

One big difference: Not only do you have to sign up for a marketing pitch at FreeiPods.com, but you have to persuade five friends to do the same before you'll get your player. (If your pals are also chasing iPods, they too will have to persuade five friends to sign up, and so on.)

I asked Culbert, who was paid by Incentive Reward Center to gush about the service, how much his free iPod actually cost him.

He said one of the pitches he was required to sign up for cost about $150. But Culbert said he got half the money back after he complained to the merchant, a credit card provider, that he'd been misled.

Would he recommend programs like this to others?

"I wouldn't recommend it to the average person," Culbert replied. "You really have to know what you're doing, signing up for things and then canceling them. You have to document everything you do."

But at least he finally got his iPod.

"I ended up selling it on eBay," Culbert said happily. "I got $400 for it. "

Posted: March 18, 2005, 6:44 pm
by Boogahz
teehee

Like there was any question as to whether or not all of the "I got mine!" ads were real :p

Posted: March 18, 2005, 7:11 pm
by Xouqoa
Gratis Internet (the people who started the whole Free iPod thing) is still supposedly a legit company.

I've never heard of this other one mentioned in this article.

Posted: March 19, 2005, 12:04 pm
by Knibble
Speaking of Ipods.Some kid in a local Jr.High here had his takin away by the teachers.The reason they gave was because the headphones can be used as a weapon. :lol:

Posted: March 19, 2005, 3:37 pm
by Tenuvil
Knibble wrote:Speaking of Ipods.Some kid in a local Jr.High here had his takin away by the teachers.The reason they gave was because the headphones can be used as a weapon. :lol:
wtf

Posted: March 19, 2005, 11:22 pm
by Lohrno
Yeah that is WTF. Can you name an object that could not in some way be used as a weapon?

Posted: March 20, 2005, 6:43 am
by Janx
Kids should stop doing homework and cite "My parents took away all my pens and pencils due to the pointed end being useable as a weapon. Sorry Teach!"

Posted: March 20, 2005, 7:45 pm
by Neziroth
Yeah that is WTF. Can you name an object that could not in some way be used as a weapon?
A HOUSE!

hohoho I win the internet

Posted: March 20, 2005, 7:56 pm
by Tenuvil
I mean really, maybe Jackie Chan or some l33t ninj4 could use ipod headphones as a weapon...

public schools scare the fuck out of me these days.

Posted: March 20, 2005, 8:02 pm
by Lohrno
Neziroth wrote: A HOUSE!

hohoho I win the internet
Actually, if you dropped it from a crane you could kill someone with it.

Posted: March 20, 2005, 8:11 pm
by Neziroth
that would make the crane the weapon and the house would just be ammo.

Posted: March 20, 2005, 8:43 pm
by Lohrno
Well let me rephrase, is there an object that couldn't be used as either ammo or weapon?

Posted: March 20, 2005, 10:00 pm
by Neziroth
yes~

Posted: March 20, 2005, 10:14 pm
by Lohrno
name it :)

Posted: March 20, 2005, 10:57 pm
by Nilaman
soap bubbles.

Posted: March 20, 2005, 11:04 pm
by retiredwikit
Nilaman wrote:soap bubbles.
And if they were blown into your eyes and made you go blind?


BOOK!

Posted: March 20, 2005, 11:05 pm
by Lohrno
Nilaman wrote:soap bubbles.
You could choke someone to death or poison them with enough of them...

Posted: March 21, 2005, 1:27 am
by Mplor
Neziroth wrote:
Yeah that is WTF. Can you name an object that could not in some way be used as a weapon?
A HOUSE!

hohoho I win the internet
You never saw the Wizard of Oz, I guess.

Posted: March 21, 2005, 3:56 am
by Spang
Lohrno wrote:name it :)
the internet.

Posted: March 21, 2005, 4:03 am
by Lohrno
The internet is a network, not an object. But since you mention it, there is a hunting range that lets you hunt real animals over the internet. So it could be used as a weapon...

Posted: March 21, 2005, 4:57 am
by Spang
the internet is an object.

Posted: March 21, 2005, 10:44 am
by Truant
Spang wrote:the internet is an object.
How bout no?

The internet is not concrete. You cannot touch it.

Posted: March 21, 2005, 12:42 pm
by Siji
What it doesn't say is that the offer terms will expose you to reams of spam and marketing solicitations, that the user survey is actually a lengthy marketing ploy
What scares me the most these days, is that there are people that honestly don't think this is the case the moment they see stuff like this. I mean.. do you really think that you can sign up to win a free week long cruise at the grocery store without them getting something from you first? Nothing is free.

Posted: March 21, 2005, 12:53 pm
by Zygar_ Cthulhukin
I touch things while looking at stuff on it.......

Posted: March 21, 2005, 1:40 pm
by Shaerra
Neziroth wrote:that would make the crane the weapon and the house would just be ammo.
ROFLMFAO

Posted: March 21, 2005, 5:45 pm
by Spang
Truant wrote:
Spang wrote:the internet is an object.
How bout no?

The internet is not concrete. You cannot touch it.
you don't have to touch something for it to be an object.

Posted: March 21, 2005, 6:01 pm
by Lohrno
Spang wrote: you don't have to touch something for it to be an object.
Dictionary.com wrote: ob·ject Audio pronunciation of "object" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bjkt, -jkt)
n.

1. Something perceptible by one or more of the senses, especially by vision or touch; a material thing.
The internet is a concept not an object. It is what we call the largest TCP/IP network in the world. Just because I touch my computer doesn't mean I touch the internet.

Even with that said, it can kill people. Haven't you seen that site that lets you hunt animals over the internet via remote controlled guns? That would make it a weapon...

Posted: March 21, 2005, 9:47 pm
by Knibble
Zygar_ Cthulhukin wrote:I touch things while looking at stuff on it.......
Thats way too much info :roll:

Posted: March 22, 2005, 6:54 am
by Spang
the internet is not the weapon.

the internet is far more than a concept.

it's an object.

you can see it. you don't have to touch it.

Posted: March 22, 2005, 8:23 am
by Truant
Spang wrote:the internet is not the weapon.

the internet is far more than a concept.

it's an object.

you can see it. you don't have to touch it.
Ok, that's the third respose now. And in each you have just said, (paraphrasing) "No, you are wrong, I am right."

But you don't explain why. Saying the internet is more than a concept is not explanation.

I can sit here and reply to you all day and say, No you're wrong, I'm right. But that doesn't make me right. And in this case, it doesn't make you right either.

And to handle your "seeing" of the internet, that's not true. You are seeing things transmitted over the internet, not the internet itself.

Posted: March 22, 2005, 8:39 am
by Spang
we're neither right nor wrong. your perception is different than mine.

Posted: March 23, 2005, 8:52 am
by Cartalas
Lohrno wrote:Yeah that is WTF. Can you name an object that could not in some way be used as a weapon?
Cotton Balls, Sponge Cake, Twinkies, Jello, Noel.

Posted: March 23, 2005, 11:32 am
by Sylvos
Cartalas wrote:
Lohrno wrote:Yeah that is WTF. Can you name an object that could not in some way be used as a weapon?
Cotton Balls, Sponge Cake, Twinkies, Jello, Noel.

All of those can be used as a weapon, a ton of twinkies can crush you.
A ton of cotton balls can crush you!
Jell-o well, we've all seen the blob.
Noel can run into you at high speeds on his bike and cause a cataclysmic crash which could result in death and dismemberment especially if you went over the side of a cliff into a rocky ravine or into a raging volcano.
Sponge cake could kill you, haven't you see the people on Richard Simmons work out?

Posted: March 23, 2005, 11:54 am
by Cartalas
Sylvos wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Lohrno wrote:Yeah that is WTF. Can you name an object that could not in some way be used as a weapon?
Cotton Balls, Sponge Cake, Twinkies, Jello, Noel.

All of those can be used as a weapon, a ton of twinkies can crush you.
A ton of cotton balls can crush you!
Jell-o well, we've all seen the blob.
Noel can run into you at high speeds on his bike and cause a cataclysmic crash which could result in death and dismemberment especially if you went over the side of a cliff into a rocky ravine or into a raging volcano.
Sponge cake could kill you, haven't you see the people on Richard Simmons work out?
Well Hell I thought I had some winners there.

Posted: March 23, 2005, 12:23 pm
by Lohrno
Sylvos wrote: All of those can be used as a weapon, a ton of twinkies can crush you.
A ton of cotton balls can crush you!
Jell-o well, we've all seen the blob.
Noel can run into you at high speeds on his bike and cause a cataclysmic crash which could result in death and dismemberment especially if you went over the side of a cliff into a rocky ravine or into a raging volcano.
Sponge cake could kill you, haven't you see the people on Richard Simmons work out?
You could also choke someone with the cotton, just ram a huge wad down their throat and watch them choke to death.

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:10 pm
by Neziroth
Well I think Lohrno and I did a great job of completely derailing this thread~

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:13 pm
by Neziroth
Oh, and also I'm pretty sure the "Post Reply" button on my screen right now can't be used as a weapon, and it is, in every meaning of the word, an object.

I can see it, interact with it, and use it.

And if you're going to say I could use it to create such a nasty response that one of our resident retards kills themselves, then I'll just tell you my keyboard and extreme wit was the weapon!

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:15 pm
by Lohrno
Go see the definition of object again. Something you can touch...a material thing. The "Post reply" button is a contruct being created by your computer, not a physical object or a material thing.

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:27 pm
by Neziroth
it could be considered a programming object (I don't know the official term)

I can touch it all day with my mouse pointer!

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:28 pm
by Lohrno
No you are touching the mouse. And we're not talking about programming objects. :) Just the ones you actually can touch. You can touch the screen, or the mouse but not the button as it is just an image.

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:30 pm
by Neziroth
fuk u hitler

Posted: March 23, 2005, 10:31 pm
by Lohrno
<3

Posted: March 24, 2005, 2:26 am
by Spang
ah ok, now you've specified they have to be objects you can touch...

Posted: March 25, 2005, 3:03 am
by MooZilla
air. air cannot be used as a weapon or ammo.

i am win.

Posted: March 25, 2005, 4:08 am
by Pherr the Dorf
MooZilla wrote:air. air cannot be used as a weapon or ammo.

i am win.
http://www.airzooka.net/shop/default.aspx

Those can knock you over and you could crack your skull, you lose

Posted: March 25, 2005, 4:14 am
by Niffoni
Are we still talking about Magical Trevor, or am I in the wrong thread?

Posted: March 25, 2005, 4:25 am
by Lohrno
You could also fill someone to the point of bursting with air. Or shoot it at speeds that it could rip off flesh.

Posted: March 25, 2005, 4:39 am
by retiredwikit
Lohrno wrote:You could also fill someone to the point of bursting with air. Or shoot it at speeds that it could rip off flesh.
Shooting it would make it the ammo though!

Posted: March 25, 2005, 5:09 am
by Canelek
Thank you all for once again causing the median IQ to drop.

Posted: March 25, 2005, 10:58 am
by Mr Bacon
Shut up, I'm makin some sweet moolah with uncle rico.