VeeshanVault

Sorry to post this but WTF!!!

http://www.msnbc.com/m/mw/mw.asp?t=V&id ... ame=&opt=0

http://www.penny-arcade.com

I'm too anooyed to post a rant, so letting someone else do it for me.

ya that's totally fagtastic...american media needs scapegoats...

the one that quite possibly upset me the most was blaming columbine on rock music, and there have been many, many incidents blamed on rock music over the years...


ANYWAYS...for those of you that don't watch the news that much...police took someone into custody yesterday early evening who they think is the sniper (i don't) AND there was a shooting in Falls Church, Virginia last night . The new shooting has a description of an astro van, with a ladder rack...the police have not released if it's linked or not.


where's my cereal?!


edit - don't post before breakfast...thought process too scattered...help me!

What a stretch.

I blame Ozzy and his show for the subliminal messages it sends to go out and become a sniper while eating a bat's head. Tipper Gore would agree.

Yeah Tru, this is all happening around where I go to school and work, isn't that asstastic? I get to look over my damn shoulder during smoke breaks.

On a completely different note, here's a quick glimpse at breakfast in my house Tru.

http://www.mysterymeatgrinder.com/tokyo_breakfast.phtml

Kinda large file... its old too I think, so you might have already seen it.

You know, perhaps if this was not occuring in the states with the toughest gun control laws in the country someone would have shot back and taken this SOB down by now.

I doubt that anyone would be shooting at a sniper that is more than likely 3000-5000 meters away from his potential target area. That's why it's a 'sniper rifle'. =)

No way he's that far away. He's using a .223 caliber weapon. The max effective range of the M16A2 is 550 meters for point (read single) target.

If it were a .50 caliber sniper weapon, I doubt he could get that kind of range. But not with a .223. The maximum range (that a round will travel in ideal conditions with no interference) is about 3500 meters.

Plus, with headshots like last night, my guess would be he's well within the 550 meter max effective range.

Okay, well even so... that's still a good distance away for someone to start shooting back, even if they too had a gun.

I doubt anyone even knew from which direction the shot came, after it was fired. (aside from the general, "I heard it from behind me.")

I agree that he's setup where he probably couldn't take return fire. It also sounds like there's a "team" doing this. One shooter, maybe a spotter, and someone to drive off. Pure conjecture on my part, but it seems like most people have heard the shot, then almost immediately noticed this van taking off.

My guess is at least two people involved.

I also highly doubt that anyone would be close enough to return fire, since I don't think anyone is walking around with a rifle except this fucktard.

sure, lets say people could carry handguns in Maryland.

wouldn't mean dick. people would be shooting every white fan in visual range the second a Pinto drove by and backfired.

All reports I've seen are saying he's estimated to be firing from 100 to 300 yards away...

*In crazy mother voice* I blame quake and the railgun!

Railgun > *

What bothers me is the possiblity of a terrorist op here.


This is a form of low-level terror that is very hard to track down and virtually impossible to prevent.

nasty stuff. I hope I am falling prey to conspiracy theories here.

Having had personal experience with the M16A1, M16A2, and the Colt Bushmaster ( AR-15 basically the civilian version of the 16 and it came first and the 16 was adapted from it) I can honestly say that even with damn fine sighting and a great scope the odds are he is never shooting from more than 400 meters. The 16 line is a fine weapon, but it is by no means any kind of sniper rifle. Bare sights ( no scope, just metal front post and rear sight assembly) the military qualification with the M16 is on targets ranging from 50 to 300 meters and at 300 meters you are basically aiming at a target that is similiar to a 1 inch high block at 25 meters. With a bipod or solid bracing the best are going to hit maybe 70% at 300 meters, going to 90% with a scope added, but one thing is that bouncing a rifle around in a van is going to screw up the sighting on the scope, which means bubba would have to be resighting the thing on a regular basis ( once for each day or two of bouncing around on the road) or using a very conspicious carry device to buffer it some.

Yes, it is not entirely like allowing concealed carry would have stopped the guy the first time, but you can be sure that he would be less likely to repeatedly go after people. Because sooner or later he would run into someone who was not paralyzed into inactivity. Guy has killed 9 people, 9 chances for a decent sighting of SOMETHING, and all they have is a van with a ladder????? I mean christ, a state license plate, or anything would be better, for a trick I counted white vans on the way to work this morning (47 miles) saw 51 of them, and 24 had some kind of roof attachment.

Admittedly law enforcement may not be releasing all their info, but the guy is not hiding in the woods shooting people, he is sitting in a vehicle on the bloody STREET doing it. The person he killed at the gas station was off a busy interesection in a built up area. I highly dount any type of sniper team like spotter unless this guy is part of a paramilitary organization of some kind. I am betting he is some loner white nutcase with some imagined gripe against the world.

Hmm interesting side note, since I assume it myself but the media does also. Notice the automatic use of a male pronoun in regards to the shooter? Why could it not be a woman, women do evil things too, like the chick in Texas that drowned her kids.

I think he is referred to as a male because historically and statistically, men are move inclined to perform these types of acts. Women, although with the exceptions, traditionally kill people they know. Not many women are the random killing type. In fact, I dont think I can think of one offhand that was prominent.

how established is it that the weapon in question is a M16 variant? i was under the impression that there are accurate long range rifles that can fire this type of .223 ammunition.

i admit i know next to nothing about guns.

He must be using the scout from CS! ^_^

From the Washington Post:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms released this guide to firearms possibly used in the shooting spree.

• Armalite AR-180
• Browning Model BRR
• Bushmaster "Shorty" Carbine
• Bushmaster "Dissipator" Carbine
• Bushmaster "Target" Model Rifle
• Bushmaster "V Match Commando" Carbine
• Bushmaster "V Match Competition" Rifle
• Bushmaster "DCM" Competition Rifle
• Bushmaster "A3 Type Shorty" Carbine
• Bushmaster "A3 Type Dissipator" Carbine
• Bushmaster "A3 Type Target" Rifle
• Bushmaster M17S "Bullpup" Rifle
• Colt AR-15
• IMI Galil
• Remington Model 788
• Remington Model 722
• Remington Model XP-100

As far as women serial killers, Aileen Wournos (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial4/wuornos/) was recently put to death in Florida. I don't doubt that women are capable of evil things.

with the exception of those last few guns listed, those are all ar-15 family guns. (i'm pretty sure anyways, heh)

And the reason I used 'he' is because all reports have said 2 males.

I believe from the witnesses they have decided that there were possibly 2 males in the vehicles seen leaving the scene.

And wasn't it CNN that reported just a little while ago that they now have a partial license number? If that's the case, they'll start narrowing down the list of possible vehicles pretty quickly unless it's a stolen plate.

I don't think that anyone has stated that the weapon is definitely of the M16 family, but that's probably the most well-known .223 caliber rifle. I don't know of any civilian rifles that pack more powder than the military version, I could be mistaken. But that's what makes me think he/she is well within the max effective range of an M16 type weapon.

Well

If it's an m16, then the media's next logical step will to assume that America's Army released by the US Army provided the training that these guys needed.

Because we all know video games really teach you how to handle a gun! Really mom, even learned how to fix a jam because of America's Army!

God the media is retarded.

Realistically, he is not going to be more than 100 yards away with this cartridge. There are much more effective weapons if you wanted to play "sniper". He sounds like some military wanna-be who never went through training. If he had actually received training as a sniper in the military, he damn sure would not be using a .223. It would be much cheaper to buy a .30-06 or 8mm weapon and have a much better range and be even more lethal.

I am a former sniper for the US military, was on a special team in 92-94 before it was dissolved and the job we did was picked up by another agency. There are a few things that I could tell you about this:

Since he fires only ONE shot, then he most likely is using a Bolt variant of a weapon... which is the classic sniper rifle. The magazine fed rifles of our military forces are too unstable to use by a true sniper (Jams, assembled poorly, more moving parts, relying on spring fed loader) which is why they chose bolt for its higher accuracy/dependability.

Also this guy seems to be so accurate because he is chosing random targets.

It is one thing to track and snipe a certain particular target, you have very limited windows for oppurtunity. However in this mans case, he seems to chose the best conditions for him, the best target-stationary, and on HIS time and place... that is why it is and will remain nearly IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to catch him.

I am pretty sure he works alone, he takes his ONE shot which would be loud and would draw attention by nearby people... then leaves the scene. If you work alone you cannot risk taking a second shot, it would be the difference in getting away with minimal detection versus getting caught by people focusing in on your echo region that the shot originated from.

Plus this guy is not making any money as far as we know from these kills.. so hit/miss live/death is of no real importance to him.. he will get out of the area and watch his work on CNN and the local news for the rest of the night.

Here is some info on sniper rifles. I can only advise you to not remain stationary whenever you are out and about. It would lower your chances of not only being hit by the shot, but also would deter you as being chosen as a target.



BOLT RIFLES/ sniper rifles

Bolt rifles are excellent firearms to have during a survival situation. They are very efficient in their ability to take quarry with a single shot. Bolt rifles provide a steady launching platform for large caliber shells that have effective ranges up to a mile. One man armed with a bolt rifle, who is a moderate marksman, can stop the advance of an entire patrol or platoon given the right set of circumstances. Think about it, would you want to stand up and expose yourself if you thought that you would take a shot to the head, instantly killing you? I would not want to! This is the demise of the SNIPER, as he is hated on the field of combat. Units will expel a hail storm of indirect fire and call in artillery support to try and kill one man, all because he is a SNIPER. So understand this ahead of time, if you choose a bolt rifle as your primary weapon, then you will be unwillingly classified as a SNIPER and if you are caught then its curtains for you. The bolt rifle will serve you well if you plan on operating in environments with long ranges or large open areas, like in a desert or plains. The bolt rifle will not be the best choice if you are in a jungle, forest or dense urban environment, as you will be better suited with something that provides you with more firepower like a assault rifle.

Understanding firepower limitations, we get to semi-auto sniper rifles. A bolt rifle is more accurate than a semi-auto rifle, but semi-auto rifles provide adequate accuracy with more firepower. This is only measured by say the ability to hit a targets head at 800 yards vs. hitting a man sized target at the same distance. In either event, you will be able to hit the target, you will just limit the tactical effectiveness of the shot. Some battle rifles would make great sniper rifles, if they were tuned up a bit and they will have dual role capabilities. A FN-FAL equipped with a good scope and heavy barrel would make a great sniper plat form. Some other good combinations would be AR-15 with a heavy barrel and high power scope. Both of these rifles could be deployed in built up urban, forest, or open environments with good success. Let's look at some basic considerations when choosing a sniper rifle.

SNIPER RIFLE BASIC CONSIDERATIONS:

QUALITY- this is always a concern when opting for precision shooting. Top quality sniper rifles are very expensive, but you do get what you pay for. On the lower end, one could employ a older surplus military bolt rifle, like a Mauser, Enfield, or Mas with some modifications, effectively.

CALIBER-this is probably the first concern when choosing to build or pick a sniper rifle. There are designated sniper rifles in many different calibers. Some of these are not rifle calibers either, there are pistol caliber and shotgun slug sniper rifles available too. Your choice should be one that follows NATO or WARSAW PACT calibers. A rifle chambering .223, .308, 7.62x54 ext... would be good. This way you can have some available re-supply in the field.

TYPE- this will deal with choosing either a bolt or semi-auto rifle. As discussed above, they both have pro's and con's for their use. Personally, I would chose a semi-auto rifle that way I would have a dual use for the weapon. It would be capable of precise shooting for offensive operations and also capable of laying down fire for a defensive role.

SCOPE/SIGHTS- this is of course what makes the sniper rifle a sniper rifle and is deemed one of the most important parts. Your scope is what gives you the ability to hit targets at great distances and selectively shoot precise points at closer distances. The scope you choose might cost more than the rifle you buy. The scope should be of military quality in that it should maintain its zero even after rough handling or abuse. It should be shock proof, fog proof, have flip up lens, and minute of angle click adjustments.

SUPPORT EQUIPMENT- this deals with equipment like slings, ammo holders, bi-pods, and ammo. The use of these items will help you in your designated role. Among these, the bi-pod is probably the most important.

CAMOUFLAGE- this is one of those things that you must have in order to operate in a sniper role. Camouflage is of the utmost importance and can make the difference between being an effective sniper or a casualty. Back in WW1 snipers roamed "no mans land" to try and get pop shots and those unlucky enough to stick their heads up. Sniper warfare was very intense and a lot of new techniques were employed. Probably the most significant was that of the use of a "GHILLE SUIT" which was developed by British snipers to break up their outline. Today, the Ghille suit is one of the most important pieces of equipment used by the modern sniper.

This mans "GHILLE SUIT" is a white van as far as we know.. or it could be something else. Can you see a floor mounted tripod stabilzer in the back of a Van, with a power roll down tinted back window. He choses his target thru the glass, drops it down with a floor switch as he has the person locked in on the scope.. fires, taps the switch again to raise the window, spins around in the Van and drives away.

Xanupox's knowledge of this scares me. Or did this come from some web page?

he is full of fucking shit, as usual. first he is in the airforce, and now he is an omg sniper for the army! next week he will be a navy SEAL.

wow, good copy and paste job xanupox, you deluded asshole. nobody but the very stupid is impressed, and you are already their king.

first he is in the airforce, and now he is an omg sniper for the army! -Kyoukan

I am a former sniper for the US military -Xanupox

Interesting read, hell if I care if it's true or not but at least read it if you're going to try and flame him. He didn't say he was in the army in this post.[/quote]

Man what a downfall from sniper to weatherman, no wonder Xan would be nuts.

BTW I think it is a 16/AR15 variant simply because I would bet my Radeon 9700 that he is a civilian, and he picked it because it "looks cool" like the military uses. This guy is not a pro, a pro would have setup in one location like Yellowstone, killed people hiking for months, shoot, move wait. Or he could have pulled a bell tower and got more than 9 in a few minutes. Regardless I think the chances of him being having any real military connection is limited to his daddy telling stories about the 'Nam while he pumped him in the ass.

God, I am sick of the media in this country. It's the same stupid, misinformed shit they peddle EVERY time there's been a series of high-profile violent crimes.

Remember the Columbine bullshit? Full of hastily researched leads and name-scrambled video game references:

"Little Timmy brought an AK-47 to school, where he shot up half his class and several teachers. We do not know why he did this, but for now we'll assume it's because he was playing 'Doom 3D' on his 'Nintendo Super-Genesis'! It is a popular 'shoot-'em-up' game, in which you must kill 'bosses' -- which are probably symbolic of school teachers."

I wonder if these overpaid talking heads on the news stations realize how much horse manure comes spewing out of their mouths per minute.

Xanupox's sig embodies everything I fear about SWG. You, sir, are da debil.

Ruger makes a damn accurate Mini-14 .223. Pop a good scope on it and it is a very effective weapon. What makes it so hard to spot the shooter is the shock of it all. I hear a gunshot and my ass is finding cover, THEN looking for where the shot came from. The confusion of it all is what he is counting on to get away and only see blurry reports from witnesses. I hope they catch that fucker

K-Y is yet and as usual wrong again about me.. is it envy that I smell burning your flesh or is that just your everyday stench>?. With any luck you would visit the DC area and provide a nice target for the next shooting.

Yes I was and still am in the USAF, the Airforce used to have STRT team, Special Tactics Response Team. It was a element of the Security Police field in which I was in. I qualified at Fort Dix NJ before the range was shutdown, with a 40/40 qualification on pop-up targets. I then went to a short field course at Camp Bullis in TX for a field longe range target and aquisition course. (Other weapons I was certified with were the M-203 Grenade launcher, the LAW Rocket, Claymore Mines, and the M-60 machine gun in which I was a specialist. I followed this up with training at my first assignment to Beale AFB in CA, with field joint missions with the EOD/STR/CATM team that ran joint operation for mass unexploded ordanance disposal.

The only times I have ever "sniped" anything was firing 7.62 rounds into unexploded test/training ordanace to detonate it. Never killed anyone or did I claim to.. yes I have been trained to do it, but I have not had to perform.

I no longer work in that field, even if I did, that mission is no longer around they moved it to the Army and its purely EOD mission in the USAF.

That "stench>" is the bullshit spewing out of every cum soaked orifice of your pale little emaciated body. Go back to fucking Counterstrike you pathetic goon. How old are you fourteen? Who do you think is buying this?

Yeah, took it hook line sinker and gnawing on the boat! lol, dumbass bitch.

Ummm the people who know Xan are buying it.

Your maturity level more represents that of a fourteen year old.

/sigh

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Ummm the people who know Xan are buying it.

Your maturity level more represents that of a fourteen year old.

/sigh

wow. You left yourself wide open on that one.

let's not insult 14 year olds, please.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Ummm the people who know Xan are buying it.

I thought I had already made it clear that the stupid are already buying it.

But yeah. Xanupox, the air force's elite sniper/pencil pushing weather fag.

and what are you? my point exactly.

I fly a starfighter in defense of the sorority planet Playtex. I have 17 confirmed kills to my credit against the fighters of the evil Galactic Consortium, and the evil Emporer Zorkon himself has personally demanded my death. In my spare time I model underwear for the intergalactically famous magazine Stuff For Males. I'm also bi-sexual, extremely kinky, and cook up a mean chicken cordon bleu.

Omg, Kyou, that was the greatest thing I have seen in my life. Kudos to you. As for Xanu, I dont know man, what you said at the top was sounded a LOT like a History Channel show on Snipers i watched 2 days ago. I mean, you used the EXACT same wording. It's just hard to believe someone like you would bother wasting their time on an EQ chat board.

Sorry to once again take away from the hillarity that ensues from Mr Dancing Banana and Mr Small Green Puppet with Light Saber.
But does anybody have any memories of news stories, in which people were ACTUALLY killed because of a video game?

And I'm not talking about the shitty English Class thoery on Shakespeare fucking books neither (i.e what you think he was trying to say despite he actually fucking wrote it down on page) like the post above me somewhere, were teachers represent "Bosses". Im talking about someone who has had a game DIRECTLY interfer with their minds and make them kill someone. (Pac-Man told me to go on a chainsaw massacre stuff)

I cant think of any, mind you I'm not as long lived as a lot of people and these boards.

Games, do they kill people? Or should the media be forced to sit down with their eyes peeled open and made to watch their drivelling shit until they burst into tears begging forgiveness for jumping on the "Games R Bad" Bandwaggon?

I think videogames can indirectly influence someone to kill sure. But that person would already have to be mentally imbalanced enough to commit a murder in the first place, and any type of violent media would have pushed them in that direction.

There have been a couple killings and more than a few severe beatings involving videogames in south korea. In one instance a guy got beat to death for PK'ing some hard motherfucker in Lineage and made the mistake of telling him what cyber cafe he was in. And some dude shot his girlfriend after she whipped his ass in Counterstrike and made fun of him.

I think pulling the trigger on thousands of people while playing videogames could desensitize someone to doing it in real life. That is hardly a reason to ban them though, without looking at why that person had a gun in their hand in the first place, and why they think that killing is a good solution to whatever problem they are facing.

MIT's professor of media (or one of them anyway) did a study a few years ago about violent videogames and their effects on different age groups and genders. His results were more toward the direction that videogames can actually help supress people's violent urges and their need to act them out in real life. To this day it is the only valid study I have ever read about videogames and their effect on people's psyche.

Cheers for the info.
I have to agree about the destressing scenario, i always feel better after going into max payne or UT and shooting random pixel characters. Least Im not killing real people.

It would be nice if some gamer made a discovery that News and Media was the reason for killing. Which I would hardly be surprised if it was, I mean consider the Sniper. If its more than one person and their seeing who gets more coverage for killing what.

Media Whores can suck it~

The "blame-it-on-videogames" crowd are the same type of people who used to blame pen-and-paper RPGs for just about everything, from drug use over satanism to cruelty to small dogs.

Someone who plays AD&D too much will become a satan worshipper, someone who plays too much CS becomes a mad gunman and someone who plays too much Monopoly becomes obsessed with owning real estate.

It's all a matter of finding someone or something to blame; it's how people handle their fears best.

Someone who plays Mario will instantly run into the street in a desprite attempt to jump on people and kill giant lizards

i dont think it is unreasonable per-se to say a game could be a catalyst for an act, as Kyo suggested.

i know in college i used to play MK-2 with my roomates all the time and we'd be all fired up (drinking beer helps) and then sega hockey too. a fight actually broke out in a Hockey 94 game .

so the point is games can certainly increase your state of agitation, but it won't turn a normal person into a murderer. It may be the lynchpin for a psychologically imbalanced person though.

I think in this (DC Sniper) case, the entire video game angle is bullshit.

It is no more plausible than to say he is Al Queda or whatever.

unless we have facts to sway our opinions in one way or the other, i think all the conjecture is nothing more than fodder for the airwaves.

for example though, the MSNBC piece that somebody posted the other day trying to link the "I am God" Tarot Card with "God Mode" in 3-D shooters is a major stretch.

I thought this might be of circumstance.