It's the second half of the college football season!

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » October 13, 2002, 6:46 pm

Anyone remember this thread?

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=455

Everyone go back, and review Masteen's completely idiotic posts, and review my pre-season wisdom.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 13, 2002, 9:18 pm

You said that the Big 10 will suck as usual, that alone proves that you are dumb.

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » October 13, 2002, 11:28 pm

Wait wait, look how much I care about college football.

wait for it

hang on its coming...

ah there it is.

Gordiken the Wicked · October 13, 2002, 11:33 pm

Yea, and I am still standing by my Sooners, who knocked off Texas with skill this weekend. Watch out though, Iowa State is a bad ass team. Seneca Wallace is probaly the best Running QB in the country without a doubt.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » October 14, 2002, 12:55 am

Anyone else hit the dallas bar scene this weekend for OU/TX game? Kee-rist milkman dan I survived one more year.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 12:56 am

Too bad Texas and Ok both play shit teams. Guess its easy to get a 4-0 record playing UTEP Tulas South Florida Missouri . Also a good thing Ok is looking forward to games such as Texas A&M, Baylor,Texas Tech, and Ok state.

Think Ok and is the new UF. Guess well see when they play the one good team on their list, Iowa State.

Texas had played North Texas,Noth Carolina, Houston,Tulane,and Ok state. Such a impressive schedule. They also play Iowa State,we'll see how well they stack up vs them after Ok plays them.

Both Ok and Texas havent been tested at all. This was their first game vs a semi good team if that,and we saw what happend. Both QBs cant handle any type of defensive Cbacks and throw massive Ints, get rushed and pounded. They both need lots of work to look and play good.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » October 14, 2002, 2:14 am

Gah someone noticed our nasty little "play-teams-from-schools-with->_1000_students" policy at the beginning of the season. I asked the resident football guru about this phenomenon, and he claims the schedules were negotiated several years before the season. Apparently the schedule was made when OU was in a major slump. The athletic dept. appointed historically easy teams to pad the inevitable inter-conference losses later in the season. Sounds like a good answer to me.

It was a badass game...Texans so bitter

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Gordiken the Wicked · October 14, 2002, 2:52 am

Raistin, you're kind of a moron. Actually, you're a complete moron. Are you one of those "The Big 12 Sucks" fanatics? The Big 12 is a very very competitive conference. Do you recall 2 years ago, and OU winning the National Championship? Were they the same shit teams then too? Have you seen the recruiting classes that OU and Texas have? In my opinion you cannot make judgement on a team that has done nothing to disprove their ranking of which they have held for 3 years now. How is OU the new University of Florida? That really makes no sense. Are you a band wagon Miami fan Raist? If so, I can understand your prior statements, but as for that, i'd keep my mouth shut, or you will eat your words like everyone else has with OU. I do admit, Miami is unbeatable, they are packed with talent, but thats not to say Oklahoma or Texas is not. I believe Oklahoma will hold it's 2 ranking and it will be Oklahoma and Miami in the National Championship this year. And we all know what happened last time to Weinke and FSU! Peace out la~

PS. On the "Defensive Cbacks deal", I do not know if you noticed, but each QB had about 2 seconds in the pocket before they could release the ball. Having such little time will create a huge fucking problem for any quarterback, whether or not how good the secondary is. Quarterbacks cough up the ball rather then take a sack, and when that happens, it's free for all on the INT. Maybe watch the game next time, or re-read your facts.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 4:26 am

Yes. Your right. Im wrong. Clearly UTEP is a grade A football school. Get over it you dumbass. Once you get a clue, Ill pull my dick out of your mouth,so I can hear you.

I give two shits about the Suck 12. I could give even less of a rats ass about ACC or SEC. Or I can throw in any other confrence. I just call teams how they are. I post RIGHT from Ok,Texas record. I dont make shit up. Here Ill show you.Ill pick Ok for my leet football copy paste skills you sorry excuse for a peice of shit.Oh yea. tell me where I said either team "sucks". Oh? Cant find it. WOW your just as stupid on this board,as in eq.

August 30 at Tulsa W 37-0 Tulas is 0-5.
September 7 Alabama W 37-27 Ala 4-4
September 14 UTEP W 68-0 1-5
September 28 South Florida W 31-14 4-2 2 of thoese wins are from AA teams.
October 5 at Missouri W 31-24 3-3
October 12 No. 2 Texas W 35-24 5-1

October 19 No. 14 Iowa State 6-1 ranked 14th
November 2 Colorado 4-2
November 9 at Texas A&M 4-2
November 16 at Baylor 3-3
November 23 Texas Tech 4-3
November 30 at Oklahoma State 2-4

One MAYBE 2 or 3 good teams they play this year. Clearly beating UTEP 68-0 is a land mark for OK football. Before you try and step all over my dick. Learn how to read first. As in saying Ok is the next UF. THEY PLAYED SORRY ASS TEAMS AND GOT RANKED HIGH.

Only " Great" football programs go in each and every year. Time and time again and win. Such as the old Nebraska,late 80s,early 90s Miami teams, Some FSU, and a few others. You know what Im talking about. Beating the Ranked top 10 teams in the country,NOT UTEP for 10 years in a row.

As for the top 25. I think out of all 25, 3 or 4 have really played a Strong Season vs good schools. All the others either DONT have good teams/ranked to play, or have yet been tested and will play good teams near the end of the year.

The big 12 has a record of 31-13 vs other confrences. Thats pretty good.Ill do a run down on the top 5 Confrences.

Big 10 30-10 7-13vs ranked teams 4 teams in top 25
Big 8 21-13 3-7 vs ranked teams 2 teams in top 25
SEC 30-9 5-15 vs ranked teams 3 teams in top 25
ACC 20-10 1-6 vs ranked teams 4 teams in top 25
Big 12 31-13 6-14 vs ranked teams 5 teams in top 25
Thats the rankins according to ESPN/Coaches poll.

As I said before. A lot of teams havent been tested. Only a VERY few.Its too early to say who sucks or not. So you can shove your fucking band wagon up your cock hole you peice of shit. Clearly youve gone from a Peice of shit in EQ, to a Peice of shit on Veeshanvault. I'm the least biased person I know besides Xouqoa for College football. If my team/confrence sucks. Ill say it. I have before and I will when it does.

Till then, keep your " attempt to flame " posts in the retard section. Thats clearly where you belong.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 4:34 am

YOUR A DUMBASS. NO SHIT they thew Ints. Their off line didnt do crap, recivers didnt get open,or the QB just threw the fucking ball in to the other teams arms. That to mean says " THIS QB/TEAM HASNT EVER EVER FUCKING BEEN TESTED".

Get off your fucking self man. Your brains must have driped down your mothers ass crack when you were born. I did watch the fucking game. I watch college football every fucking weekend. I dont need some piss ant telling me what I saw or didnt see. Once you relize YOUR NOT TOTALLY RIGHT,maybe then you will stop posting.

Unlike you, I've kept all my thoughts of college football pretty even. Only biased thing I've said was FSU and UF suck ass. Not to mention the SEC and ACC.

Im done with your dumbass.

Gordiken the Wicked · October 14, 2002, 4:56 am

Raist -

You are comparing Everquest and College Football. How was I a peice of shit in EQ? I really am curious as to why you think that. Is it because your other guildmates say that, and you have to as well? I'm just wondering. I honestly do not believe I am a piece of shit on VeeshanVault. Suit yourself though. Again tell my "shittyness" in EQ. Was it the little EBaying thing you made up about a year ago? Was that the shittyness? Fill me in!

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 6:03 am

Stick with College football. Dont need name calling in a football debate. You started so I had to bite back. End it now.

btw that tkxsla~ shit went out 3 months ago !

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 14, 2002, 10:42 am

Gord,
Raist isn't comparing eq to college football. Read again, he's comparing the intelligence you showed in eq, to the intelligence you show here. And let me say it clearly for you: you are making yourself look even MORE an idiot by posting before you stop and read clearly what the other person is saying.

OU and UT both had pathetic schedules this year, period. I still can't believe UT played UNT this year....I would be fucking embarassed to play that organization and include it in my record. (I would know, I'm a student at UNT)

The comparison to UF and OU is that UF was notorious for playing lousy schedules every year, getting higher than deserved rankings because of it, and riding it out through the year. (Correct me if I'm wrong here)

Neither team looked great this weekend, period.

and Pubin, no heh, Texas/OU weekend is the only weekend I refuse to go out, unless I'm going to the game.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 14, 2002, 11:10 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Big 10 is the toughest conference in football. Glad to see we have a few teams doing well this year, even after scheduling more difficult competition than anybody else.

Go Blue.

/edit: Just checked the new rankings. Regarding Florida, in the ESPN poll they're still top 25 and in the AP poll they were 2 votes shy of being #25. HOW THE FUCK can they be ranked that high with 3 losses? So consistently overrated it isn't funny.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 14, 2002, 11:15 am

now accepting bids on 2 Miami (#1) v. Virginia Tech (#3) tickets in the Orange Bowl on Dec 4th

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » October 14, 2002, 11:43 am

Actually, I'm not bitter at all. I'm GLAD OU beat Texas. As a matter of fact, I was hoping they would beat the ever-living snot out of them. Of course, I'm just saying this because last weekend as I went out to dinner, I overheard two men that had gone to the ut football game talking about how they were fans of a) UT and b) anyone that plays A&M. Fuckers.....hope they enjoyed that game! I got the last laugh.

PS. I *generally* will root for any Texas team

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 11:50 am

Actually Gord, Raistin hit the nail right on the head. UT and OK both have shitty fucking schedules. They beat each team horribly bad. Miami on the other hand has a strong schedule, but the BCS will fuck them over if Tennessee and UF keep losing. They have 3.5 ranked teams on their schedule (UF is unranked in AP).

Anyways, I'm a Big 10 fan. Go Michigan! (can only say that for a couple of months unless i don't get transferred to OSU)

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 14, 2002, 11:58 am

WIDE LEFT I
Boom...get out tha way

And lets not forget fabricated 15 yard penalties to give FSU a key 1st down:

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » October 14, 2002, 12:56 pm

Actually, I wouldn't worry about Florida being in the top 25 too much longer, they still have losses to South Carolina, Georgia and FSU coming.
But hey, they can take solace in the win over Tenessee right?

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 14, 2002, 1:28 pm

It doesn't matter cause pro football is way better! Although the Bengals come pretty close to college football.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 4:23 pm

Momopi wrote:It doesn't matter cause pro football is way better! Although the Bengals come pretty close to college football.

Not necessarally true. I think the playstyle in NCAA is a whole lot better and more intense. The players in the NFL already have the contract whilst the players in college play their asses off to get that contract. But the BCS is complete bullshit and should be done away with or fixed (yeah right). I think they need to make some sort of playoff system for college.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 14, 2002, 4:48 pm

rumor has it that the next television contract with College Football will start moving the national championship into some sort of playoff format.

the 4 BCS bowls dont like how only 1 "matters" each year. So they are trying to come up with a way to make them all matter each year. Having them be part of the playoff that leads up to a national championship game would do that.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 5:12 pm

To all the Gator haters: How can we still be ranked? Because every team we lost to is in the Top 25.

Raist: You're a Seminole, right? Until you have a better excuse for losing to sorry-ass Louisville than "it was raining" STFU. BTW, the SEC has 5 teams in each poll, so not to shit on your "fact" post, but learn to count, fool.

To all the Big-10 homers: you people always talk much shit this time of year, but for some reason are NEVER around after your lame ass schools take their yearly whuppins in the post season. You also can STFU.

But I'll take my lumps like a man. The lack of depth on our O-line is killing us and Rex is making some bad throws.

Props to Miami, they are kicking ass. They saw thru the smoke and mirrors that Fatty threw at them, and stuck in his keister.

Big props to all the Big-12 peeps. The Red River shoot-out was fucking AWESOME this year, but Bobby Stoops just has UT's number. Many post season berths coming, if y'all can avoid beating each other up too badly.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 7:12 pm

Ok. I know this is kinda hard for you to understand. I HATE FSU. If you would even open your eyes you would see me saying this.

Of all teams I have stated I have a hatred towards,its FSU and UF. They are the most over ranked teams along with Nebraska,VT,Ok,Texas,and the Bulldogs, oh and Tenn. Every single one of them suck ass. They play shit teams,and win half of them by the hair on their balls. They get ranked high becuse of the ol " I have faith in them" score. Just like how ND use to be ranked in the top 20 a few years ago,while having 3-4 records and shit. They go by the name of the school,not what they do THAT YEAR.

UFs loses come from "who" teams. IE Who do they play. William Mary and Jo college of cooking? You want to talk about loseing to "top 25 team" how about scoring more than 7 points to their 35. They lose to ranked teams who have played shit teams. That is the only reason why they are ranked in the first place. Dont make me go back and look up every single record of what team played who.

As to your remark about not being able to count. I went by the Espn/coach poll. I normaly go by AP,but was too tired and already 90% done typing out the espn poll. Guess your the dumb fuck once again huh?

Post by **Xouqoa** » October 14, 2002, 7:15 pm

Voronwë wrote:rumor has it that the next television contract with College Football will start moving the national championship into some sort of playoff format.

the 4 BCS bowls dont like how only 1 "matters" each year. So they are trying to come up with a way to make them all matter each year. Having them be part of the playoff that leads up to a national championship game would do that.

I wish we could have January Madness, NCAA Football Tournament... but I guess that's a little out of the question for Football. =D

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » October 14, 2002, 7:16 pm

Oh poor UF, being persecuted by all these Gator Haters on this board.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 7:41 pm

Raist, you're just such a moron, I assume you are a Seminole. Forgive my mistake

In answer to your question, LSU and Missippi are both SEC teams, and play other ranked teams like Bama, Georgia, and Tennessee. Our third loss was to Miami, the #1 team in the country. You can think that SEC teams losing to each other means the conference is weak, but the bowl record tells a different tale.

Mezz, you're such a prognosticator, did you see the loss to teh mighty Cardinal coming? FSU fans everywhere must be so proud...

Truant · Post by **Truant** » October 14, 2002, 7:43 pm

that would rule Xou...I can just see the enormous bracket system for all the rounds of games....

man there would be some fun betting in those...

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 7:46 pm

masteen wrote:To all the Big-10 homers: you people always talk much shit this time of year, but for some reason are NEVER around after your lame ass schools take their yearly whuppins in the post season. You also can STFU.

Excuse me? Are you fucking shitting me? OSU split it with Tennessee back in 1998. Michigan won the National championship in 1997. You might remember that big controversy that led to the creation of the BCS poll. In fact thanks to Floridas unranked self in AP Michigan (BIG 10 team) has the longest running streak of being ranked. Tell me something Masteen, when was the last time that a SEC team won it all? Oh yeah it was when Tennessee won in 1998 and split it with a Big 10 team. So kindly STFU. And try to get 25 before the end of the year.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 8:00 pm

Zamtuk, I'm just impressed that the Buckeyes are going in undefeated for their annual beating from Michigan. Beat Michigan without Woody, then you will be legit, not before.

Also, from the official OSU page
Football (6)....1942, Coach Paul Brown
1954, Coach Woody Hayes
1957, Coach Woody Hayes
1961, Coach Woody Hayes
1968, Coach Woody Hayes
1970, Coach Woody Hayes

That phantom title you claim OSU won is nowhere here. Wonder why? I think it's because you're a moron.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 8:08 pm

Calling people morons is such a great tactic. This coming from someone who belives UF is the best team in the world!

Shut the fuck up man. You just have no clue and totally biased.This is like talking to a stupid kid. Look at the teams you named, AND TELL ME WHO THEY PLAYED. Yea. Oh ? Whats that. SHITTY teams? Ohh ok got ya.

Before you stick your head out to get cut off. Open your eyes and relize your drool bowl thats under your chin is filling up,and just might drown you. Till then, just stfu. Just your posts alone make me want to fucking strangle you

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 8:08 pm

You fucking twit. They beat Michigan last year without Woody.

Phantom title my ass.

This is from NCAA page.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_footb ... hamps.html

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 8:14 pm

Raist, nowhere did I say UF should be ranked any higher than they are, but your mindless repetition of how every team in the SEC sucks is tiresome. They don't, they are ranked for a reason. Accept it and move on.

Zamtuk, oh yeah, the coveted SAGARIAN poll! I'm sure that UT, the winner of the AP and Coaches' polls gives you mad props. Idiot.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 8:19 pm

Then PROVE to me the teams the "Ranked" Sec teams have played,are good teams. SHOW me hard facts. Heres a hint, go to espn, look up teams,2002 team play list. Then come back here and prove to me how all the teams in the sec are so good.

Thats your chance to shut me up. I bring hard facts, not " well my confrence is the hardest" bullshit. Now its your turn.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 8:20 pm

EDIT: nm

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 8:33 pm

Raist, you have no hard facts. But just to close your pie-hole, I direct your attention here.

This is the final BCS from last year. Damn, only 4 SEC teams in the top 15. There is a little number that factors into that called "SS" for strength of schedule, and lower is better. Tennessee had the 3rd hardest schedule in the country, LSU the 10th, UF the 19th, and South Carolian, an SEC patsy, the 40th hardest. Two of those teams played harder schedules than Miami, who had the 18th toughest.

Those are the facts. I repeat my assertion that you are a moron.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 8:41 pm

Listen dumbass. That was last year, this is this year. So try once again. Yet if you must insist on useing a year old rank, I guess TCU, Ga Tech are gonna OWn it up this year! Or UF is is as good as they were last year. Use UP TO DATE facts. Jesus man.

You just had to jump on the ol' he must be on FSU band wagon and become automaticaly offended at me saying " Most teams have not even been tested this year yet." And think I was talking about only SEC teams.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 9:03 pm

Well, gee, you're such a foozball expert, you should know that the first BCS of the season doesn't come out until Oct. 21! Given that the only major change in UF's schedule was the addition of Miami, I don't see our SS going down.

My point about SEC teams playing tough schedules is factually based, on the previous season. Since they all play against a set SEC schedule every year, the SS doesn't vary all that much. I know following all this hard logic is hard, but please try to keep up.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 9:13 pm

For fuck sakes man. ALL I SAID WAS go to ESPN, look at the TEAMs your SEC GODS won and lost and post them here. I didnt say shit about BCS listing, or anything like that.

WHO DID UF PLAY,DID THEY WIN,DID THEY LOSE. WHAT WAS THE SCORE
WHO DID GA PLAY,DID THEY WIN,DID THEY LOSE. WHAT WAS THE SCORE.

And so on. Look at such TALENT that they played,or lack of. Maybe if I explain it to you 3 times, YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT? And YES, SS does INDEED go down. HOW? The teams they play MIGHT JUST SUCK EVEN MORE THIS YEAR.

Whatever. Im done with you. You dont know the diffrence between Jack and shit.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 9:25 pm

So more are ranked, but they suck more this year? I'm just having a hard time following your rantings, err, logic on this...

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 9:32 pm

SS will actually be smaller for the SEC due to the high number of losses it has, especially after last week. Tennesse 2 Florida 3, sure to all ranked teams but Tennessee played Florida who lost three times which in turn causes Tennessee's SS to go down. We could go on for days talking about this, but the fact is we won't, so lets just wait until Oct. 21 for the BCS to come out to settle this.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 14, 2002, 9:33 pm

And actually Masteen OSU went to the big house and beat michigan last year. I have no doubt they will beat them again this year in columbus.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 9:39 pm

Sabek wrote:And actually Masteen OSU went to the big house and beat michigan last year. I have no doubt they will beat them again this year in columbus.

You can never really tell, that is the thing with OSU/Michigan. Whoever is the favorite can lose easily. I think OSU can do it as well, Michigan will do a good job at stopping Maurice Clarrett but I think OSU will surprise Michigan with an air attack.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 14, 2002, 9:42 pm

I just like getting you Buckeyes riled up. Ever since the Sagarian picked y'all number one over UT in '98, y'all think you're better than everyone else!

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 14, 2002, 9:48 pm

I think Krenzel suprised folks last saturday with a bit of a vertical passing game.
OSU seems to be clicking pretty well. Nugent who couldn't kick a ball and hit a house last year has tied a school record 15 straight fieldgoals. Clarrett tied Robert Smiths record for most 100+ games as a freshman, and is 400ish yards from the freshman rushing record. Krenzel seems to have gotten some good passing going. Defense is doing well, but the corners inexperience scares me.

Saturday will be a huge test for OSU going to camp randall to take on Wisconsin. And Wisconsin will be really pissed from losing to Indiana.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » October 14, 2002, 9:49 pm

The best thing Masteen has said all day....

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Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 10:07 pm

masteen wrote:I just like getting you Buckeyes riled up. Ever since the Sagarian picked y'all number one over UT in '98, y'all think you're better than everyone else!

How many national titles does Florida have?

Alfan · Post by **Alfan** » October 14, 2002, 10:32 pm

Whoa whoa whoa!
No, the Buckeyes did not split a national championship in 1998. We screwed ourselves over with a loss to Michigan State. We almost made it in though. Some stroke of luck allowed three teams to lose--it wasn’t enough

. The title game that year was a joke, and as a Buckeye disciple, I felt we were the best in the nation

But shit happens, we finished third, and consequently haven't done shit since.

Lets not blame our recent problems with Michigan on the team itself, but rather its ex-coach, John Cooper, it's what all the real fans do anyway.

Fast forward to now.

The Buckeyes have, for the most part, rolled through their first seven games. Most were at home though. We had a tough game in Chicago, and another in Cincinnati. Embarrassing. Maurice Clarrett is a badass, and will continue to be a badass (if he can stay healthy--he never completed a full season in high school). The offensive line is young after injuries crippled it and have been relatively untested. Our quarterback gets the job done, but is nothing spectacular. The receivers at OSU are very good. Although the offensive coordinator doesn’t seem to like the pass

. Our defensive coverage of the pass has been a bit dismal, but our run defense is tough as nails (Will Smith the stud DE got hurt last sat. don't know when he'll be back). Oh, and we have the best kicker in the nation!

The next six games are all in the big ten, and none will be easy. Watch for Wisconsin, Penn. St., and Michigan to pull an upset. Luckily we don’t play Michigan St.--we don’t need Charlie Rodgers tearing us to pieces!

I'm not sure about the top five this year. I can't tell who will be at the final game. I do believe the Buckeyes have the easiest path, though, and I wouldn’t put it past them to get to that game. Kudos to Ok. for knocking off Texas--serves those ESPN analysts right. Miami is probably the best team in the nation. My prediction: Kirk Herbstreit for President.

Go Bucks~

-Alfan Fat

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 14, 2002, 10:57 pm

Michigan beat you, not Michigan State. I also blame all Michigan losses to John Cooper. I couldn't of been happier when they fired him, though i was upset when they beat Michigan last year.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » October 15, 2002, 2:24 am

It's pretty hard to deny that the two top teams in the big 12 haven't been challenged. Bama and Missou are not bad teams, but they're not Sooner-league. Texas has no exucses...they're all just...well...gay.